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Paladin55
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9/1/2008  11:24 AM
http://www.faniq.com/blog/How-Mike-DAntoni-Will-Make-The-Knicks-Enjoyable-To-Watch-Blog-11467

Can't take credit for finding the link- got it from another site.

A pretty long description and analysis of D'Antoni and his "system" by a Phoenix fan who seems to have been paying attention to what was happening on the court during the D'Antoni years. One or two things I might question, but the guy seems to have some understanding of the game, and his description/analysis of the D'Antoni system can be applied to the players we now have on the Knicks.

After reading it, you will know why a point guard is priority #1 for this team, and it makes me think that if D'Antoni had a choice between Deron Williams and Lebron, he might just take the former.

If you can take some time off from watching documentaries about the great Labor leaders on the History Channel, reading up on the Homestead Strike, or singing Solidarity Forever with your friends, you might want to take a look at what the guy wrote.
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9/1/2008  12:59 PM
Many of us already know this of D'Antoni (not Dan Tony). The problem with this team right now is, we don't have the exact kind of players we need to run a system like this yet. That's why Donnie's working on the cap and matter what he does, we all are gonna have to wait at least two more years, before it takes affect. Plain and simple. But I will say, I loved the Lakers of the 80's. Best team I ever saw. Run, cut, pass, lay-up (or sky-hook) or gun the clutch shot! They were fast man and in great shape from all of the running. I would say that this writer is on the ball. But passing up Lebron (if we have a shot) I think would be kind of stupid to pass up. He's almost like a clone of Magic Johnson. A big guard who can run and dribble, pass and score almost at will.
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9/1/2008  1:24 PM
Wow, I really thought people would be all over this one. Just goes to show the belief system we have. D'Antoni will change that in a hurry.
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9/1/2008  2:11 PM
There is a combo PG on Florida the Knicks should keep an eye on--Im sure they will named Nick Calathes. He's not Branden Jennings but he's a very very good astute basketball player. He's tall and has great court vision.
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9/1/2008  2:37 PM
I liked the article. And if he makes the team enjoyable to watch and the crowd gets into it the Garden will rock. I cant wait!!
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9/1/2008  2:50 PM
I really liked the article. There was a lot we already knew, but the perspective was nice to hear as a means to reaffirm what I believed about what Mike can do for this team. I already felt that Mike got his teams to overachieve and this gives me even more confidence in his system and his philosophy.

This isn't the only example of a system being the star in a sport. We see this a lot in places like New England and College Football teams. It's usually all predicated on the PG or QB being able to be the coach on the field in the truest sense of the word. They have to basically play the game and think the game just like the Coach sees it played. IF they do, then they are successful.

I can see the Knicks doing this if they can get PG play that is as close as possible to what Mike wants. We don't have our Nash, but i'm sure that is high on their list of priorities. For now the team just needs to begin to think the game his way and get ready for when we do have that PG.
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9/1/2008  3:13 PM
Good article. He truly has a philosphy. This part is foreign to my thinking,
part of the plan. D'Antoni believes that personal fouls are actually worse than allowing a basket. He would rather trade basket for basket and keep the game's pace in favor of his team than slow the game down and allow the opponent to catch their breath. Not only that but foul trouble forces him to use his bench and that goes against the idea of having
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9/1/2008  3:18 PM
In other words, keep the tempo going. Don't foul, don't stop the game. That fits right into his 'constant' run and gun. 4-5 points a minute are a lot of lot of points. The point is, if the other team is not in physical shape, eventually, they will not be able to keep caught up with such an offense. But maybe you already realize this.

I really love this system of thought. All that is required is to keep moving back and fourth, shooting the ball. No setting up a shot (in which the Knicks totally suck at) or slowing down the pace, so the other team can get position on us anymore. Why not try it. Everything else didn't work.
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9/1/2008  3:22 PM
This also brings up the question of curry's heart. What if he drops dead of a massive heart attack form too much running?
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9/1/2008  3:26 PM
If curry drops dead then its Gods will and we will get a medical exception
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9/1/2008  3:28 PM
That was COLD but true!!
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9/1/2008  3:43 PM
Once again it's not about just running up and down! There's a lot of detail in how they score points. It's about creating great shots, not just good shots. This is why the FG % is so high and the other team which is not accustomed to playing at that pace is at a disadvantage.

As for Curry, I don't believe he's gonna be expected to run as fast as the smalls. He'll be the trailer and in a way that's good, cuz he better IMO as a secondary option as opposed to forcing it into him constantly.

I can understand the concept of not looking to foul. Anything that slows the game down and give the other team a chance to get easy points, catch their breath and at the same time may cause us to have to sit one of our better players, is not a good thing.

It's very clear tho that getting a PG who can truly run the offense and think the game is CRUCIAL to all of this working. So this explains why we didn't just take any PG. WHY? It wouldn't help the team any to have a guy like Bayless who can't run the offense. All we'd have is what we've seen the last 4 years.
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9/1/2008  3:47 PM
So if the DanTony system requiers a PG and a beast down low and the rest are role players then why did we draft Gallo so high? Did we just use the #6 pick to draft a role player so he can waive towels on the bench? Hmm... there wer=re some beastly PFs available later we could have traded down for.
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9/1/2008  3:55 PM
I think their going for a super star guard. That's why the cap situation is one of the first goals with Donnie. Like I said, the D'Antoni team won't be in place for about another 2 years. But it will be interesting to see who can' run on this team and how far they can get with the new system. Wouldn't it be something if the Knicks actually ended up playing .500 ball?
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9/1/2008  5:09 PM
Nice commentary on D'A. And it supports what many have been saying....that D'A, as a new coach will change the Knicks into a more cohesive unit with players who will know how to play a system of B-Ball.... and they will win more games. In Basketball, a good coach has a BIG influence on the success of the team.

I, for one am looking forward to the season.
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9/1/2008  5:17 PM
I think Curry's heart problem was related to diet pills and is not an issue. I also wonder why Gallo was the pick with the talent available and the key components that the author pointed out. I am still not sure who had Gallo pegged as the guy. It apparently wasn't D'Antoni and I am not sure if it was Walsh.
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9/1/2008  5:24 PM
Posted by kam77:

So if the DanTony system requiers a PG and a beast down low and the rest are role players then why did we draft Gallo so high? Did we just use the #6 pick to draft a role player so he can waive towels on the bench? Hmm... there wer=re some beastly PFs available later we could have traded down for.
Gallinari was taken for his ability to shoot the ball (IMO), as well as his versatility (ball handling, passing, running game, team defense, multiple positions), and you can be pretty sure that by the end of the year he will be playing 25-30 MPG- not waving a towel. Without him on the team the only pure shooter we have is Anthony Roberson. Nate and Crawford are streaky, Chandler is unproven, and at this point I am not counting on Q to regain his Phoenix form.

I think Waltoni wanted Mayo, and possibly Westbrook, over Gallinari, and if DJ Augustine was a legit 6'2" he might have taken him, but obviously none of the players available were as attractive as the guy they took, and there really weren't any "beastly" PFs available. For now, I think that Curry, and to some extent Lee, will have to be the "beast down low," and I really hope that Curry continued eating those salads while D'Antoni was in China, or he might have to become a 15-20MPG player. If Randolph isn't traded, he will also be in the post, but I hope to see him gone because we can't have Curry and Randolph playing together and expect to play any D.

Off the topic: For all you Rubio fans, unless he finds a jumper, you have to wonder if D'Antoni would want him running the Knicks.
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9/1/2008  5:43 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I think Curry's heart problem was related to diet pills and is not an issue. I also wonder why Gallo was the pick with the talent available and the key components that the author pointed out. I am still not sure who had Gallo pegged as the guy. It apparently wasn't D'Antoni and I am not sure if it was Walsh.

Well, there's the Italian connection. I have to say that, because I bring up the Ewing connection with Jr. to be fair. And the more I think about it, if Lee is going to be PF and Chandler the SF, then wouldn't drafting a guard or center have made more sense? I originally wanted a center. But a few here suggested that Gallo is going to end up being the PF. But I can't see them dealing Lee away either. I think he'd be great in D'Antoni system.

So who knows? There certainly isn't any question about Gallo's offense, so maybe it fits into Mike's system more also. Who knows exactly why they made the move? Only D'Antoni and Donnie know.
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9/1/2008  5:50 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by kam77:

So if the DanTony system requiers a PG and a beast down low and the rest are role players then why did we draft Gallo so high? Did we just use the #6 pick to draft a role player so he can waive towels on the bench? Hmm... there wer=re some beastly PFs available later we could have traded down for.
Gallinari was taken for his ability to shoot the ball (IMO), as well as his versatility (ball handling, passing, running game, team defense, multiple positions), and you can be pretty sure that by the end of the year he will be playing 25-30 MPG- not waving a towel. Without him on the team the only pure shooter we have is Anthony Roberson. Nate and Crawford are streaky, Chandler is unproven, and at this point I am not counting on Q to regain his Phoenix form.

I think Waltoni wanted Mayo, and possibly Westbrook, over Gallinari, and if DJ Augustine was a legit 6'2" he might have taken him, but obviously none of the players available were as attractive as the guy they took, and there really weren't any "beastly" PFs available. For now, I think that Curry, and to some extent Lee, will have to be the "beast down low," and I really hope that Curry continued eating those salads while D'Antoni was in China, or he might have to become a 15-20MPG player. If Randolph isn't traded, he will also be in the post, but I hope to see him gone because we can't have Curry and Randolph playing together and expect to play any D.

Hmmm, it is a very interesting situation, isn't it? I had Zach and Curry sharing the middle, with Lee and Chandler at the wings and Gallo as some kind of back up as a rook. But this does present a real problem. But then again, this is not the complete team that is to come within two years either. We'll have to wait and see what other moves he make the next two years. We have time and maybe we can find a guard in the draft next year also.

Meanwhile, this season will be spent to see what we have in D'Antoni's new system. I think we will definately find some answers to this puzzle by the end of next season. Can't wait until then.
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9/1/2008  7:42 PM
Why all this short term thinking. Gallo wasn't drafted for what he is NOW! He was drafted for what he could become in a few years. You can't look at him as just another SF on this team, cuz you have to know that he's gonna be used for more than that. Forget about true positions with this team except for the PG, just about everyone will be pretty versatile and have to play a couple of positions.

Another thing to remember is that we really didn't have much of a chance to get that PG Mike would want. The guy has high standards obviously and he didn't like anyone in this draft where we picked. I wouldn't want just any PG or Combo guard, so i'm glad they picked Gallo. I feel he was a very good "upside potential" pick.

Once again it's not about this year, but years down the line.
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