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djsunyc
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8/12/2008  7:28 PM
more than deng, more than josh smith...
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8/12/2008  9:15 PM
the sixers have lost their minds..
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8/12/2008  10:37 PM
Posted by tkf:

the sixers have lost their minds..

They couldn't let him go after signing Brand. If they didn't give him that money, someone else would have. I don't agree with the monetary terms, but a team like the Grizz would have went for him for sure.
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8/12/2008  10:47 PM
obviously they feel that they can win a championship soon enough. after which iggy's trade value would be so high that they could easily trade him.
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8/12/2008  11:04 PM
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8/13/2008  1:24 AM
Horrible Signing
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8/13/2008  2:46 AM
Posted by Cartman718:

obviously they feel that they can win a championship soon enough. after which iggy's trade value would be so high that they could easily trade him.

Is this the new trend amongst posters? Showcasing guys with the hopes of boosting their trade value? If iggy ever proves he deserves that money, why trade him? By the way, he is now untradeable.
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8/13/2008  6:40 AM
Posted by Cartman718:

obviously they feel that they can win a championship soon enough. after which iggy's trade value would be so high that they could easily trade him.

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8/13/2008  6:43 AM
Iggy may not be the best of the group that recently re-upped with their home teams, but he's at that level. He's a good scorer - not as good, IMO, as Deng, but better than Smith or Okafor. He's very good on d and passes the ball well. The Sixers may have overpaid, but it's not crazy.
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8/13/2008  6:49 AM
Really, I don't see why we get so crazy about this stuff, because it seems pretty clear that most teams can't really avoid "overpaying" for players.

This has been going on for ages, but becomes a significant problem in the NBA because of salary cap restrictions.

However, if the cap were removed, then the teams with less money to spend would likely be less competitive. Of course, there will always be poorer teams that compete for a year or two, but like baseball, top players will then bolt, while teams with money, like the Yankees, Red Sox, etc. can stay competitive even if they make mistakes in signings because of their deep pockets.

Problem is that this is actually how our entire society functions when it comes to jobs, but for some reason in sports we think it's okay to control workers' choices.

The decision of players to either bolt or consider going to European clubs definitely puts holes in this previous practice, but players are always going to get overpaid when limited amounts of them are available to fill teams' needs, and the right one's can have such a huge impact on a teams' success.

[Edited by - PresIke on 08-13-2008 06:50 AM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 08-13-2008 06:51 AM]
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8/13/2008  8:21 AM
He does show how critical it is to draft a super star- because if you are stuck with second tier talent, you end up having to pay out the big bucks and you cap yourself out and you are stuck as a middling team.

Depending on where David Lee & Nate are, we could end up in a similar boat - pay up, essentially over paying- or lose them for nothing.

And I can't recall a team that lost out on one of its own like this?
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8/13/2008  8:38 AM
Not sure what has anyone baffled here.

Iggy is a pretty solid player and PresIke already covered why this overpaying tends to happen.

Yet when you look at it Philly has a really good team built now. They can't just let Iggy walk. They're going to be exciting and Iggy is worth the money as long as he doesn't go Kirilenko or Josh Howard on them and just stop trying now that he's paid.



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8/13/2008  10:30 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Cartman718:

obviously they feel that they can win a championship soon enough. after which iggy's trade value would be so high that they could easily trade him.

Is this the new trend amongst posters? Showcasing guys with the hopes of boosting their trade value? If iggy ever proves he deserves that money, why trade him? By the way, he is now untradeable.


exactly.... I mean what sense does it make, to grosly overpay a guy, in order to boost his trade value and then trade him? as you said, if he proves he is worthy of the deal, then why move him? Deals like this are team killers. Go back and look, I said the same thing when the bucks gave redd all of that money. I said they will regret it.
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8/13/2008  10:39 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Cartman718:

obviously they feel that they can win a championship soon enough. after which iggy's trade value would be so high that they could easily trade him.

Is this the new trend amongst posters? Showcasing guys with the hopes of boosting their trade value? If iggy ever proves he deserves that money, why trade him? By the way, he is now untradeable.


exactly.... I mean what sense does it make, to grosly overpay a guy, in order to boost his trade value and then trade him? as you said, if he proves he is worthy of the deal, then why move him? Deals like this are team killers. Go back and look, I said the same thing when the bucks gave redd all of that money. I said they will regret it.

But.....with what Philly has done this would have to be considered as a team-completing deal.

This is the core they want to go to war with for many years now. Dalembert, Brand, Iggy is their big three. They're now only going to be looking to add pieces along the way.

In that I don't see why they would be worried about their cap situation or flexibility. They've spent it on players they wanted.

Andre Miller being 33 years old will be the only real concern for them looking into the future.



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8/13/2008  10:46 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

Not sure what has anyone baffled here.

Iggy is a pretty solid player and PresIke already covered why this overpaying tends to happen.

Yet when you look at it Philly has a really good team built now. They can't just let Iggy walk. They're going to be exciting and Iggy is worth the money as long as he doesn't go Kirilenko or Josh Howard on them and just stop trying now that he's paid.


I have taken a new approach to things. Like someone mentioned, if you don't have a star, you are going to be stuck overpaying good players, star salaries... I don't like hearing that a team does not have a choice. Yes they do! sign and trade, or just don't give in. Listen, Iggy is good, but he is not a superstar level talent, if he walks, the sixers may take a step back, but it will be better in the long run. Unless that player is going to put you over the top and make you a contender, why do it? I could see cleveland overpaying a guy like that to add to lebron who already was in the finals, or maybe a team like the suns overpaying to add that player, that final piece, heck maybe even detroit, but the sixers are not close to a championship? they had a good run last year, and they added brand, but we don't know what kind of player brand will be after the injury and even then, the sixers are good, but they have not shown any signs of being a contender...
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8/13/2008  10:58 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Cartman718:

obviously they feel that they can win a championship soon enough. after which iggy's trade value would be so high that they could easily trade him.

Is this the new trend amongst posters? Showcasing guys with the hopes of boosting their trade value? If iggy ever proves he deserves that money, why trade him? By the way, he is now untradeable.


exactly.... I mean what sense does it make, to grosly overpay a guy, in order to boost his trade value and then trade him? as you said, if he proves he is worthy of the deal, then why move him? Deals like this are team killers. Go back and look, I said the same thing when the bucks gave redd all of that money. I said they will regret it.

But.....with what Philly has done this would have to be considered as a team-completing deal.

This is the core they want to go to war with for many years now. Dalembert, Brand, Iggy is their big three. They're now only going to be looking to add pieces along the way.

In that I don't see why they would be worried about their cap situation or flexibility. They've spent it on players they wanted.

Andre Miller being 33 years old will be the only real concern for them looking into the future.


I feel you, but building a core with max contracts and guys who have not led their teams anywhere is dangerous... Brand is good, but we know he is not going to put a team on his back, iggy is good, but the sixers were horrible with him. I would argue that Atlanta has a better core with a lot less money tied up in salary.... Hey I don't want to pretend I can do a better job than the sixers GM, who happens to be a smart guy, but I am just cautious about giving huge deals to good players, instead of big impact guys. I think kevin martin got 51 mil from the kings, and I will argue that he is just as good as iggy, if not very close. He is long, athletic, can shoot, dribble and not a bad defender either...
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8/13/2008  11:27 AM
The Sixers could surprise this season. Brand's inside game fits that team like a glove. This could be the season that Thaddeus Young's career takes off. He's going to be a all star quality 3 before long. The Sixers are strong defensively, especially with Brand and Speights adding interior toughness. With Brand's help, they'll score well, too. Other than the Celtics, they can play with anyone in the East.
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8/13/2008  11:36 AM
Posted by tkf:

I have taken a new approach to things. Like someone mentioned, if you don't have a star, you are going to be stuck overpaying good players, star salaries... I don't like hearing that a team does not have a choice. Yes they do! sign and trade, or just don't give in. Listen, Iggy is good, but he is not a superstar level talent, if he walks, the sixers may take a step back, but it will be better in the long run. Unless that player is going to put you over the top and make you a contender, why do it? I could see cleveland overpaying a guy like that to add to lebron who already was in the finals, or maybe a team like the suns overpaying to add that player, that final piece, heck maybe even detroit, but the sixers are not close to a championship? they had a good run last year, and they added brand, but we don't know what kind of player brand will be after the injury and even then, the sixers are good, but they have not shown any signs of being a contender...

the choice is not that simple. you just can't lose a player like that (or s&t for a comparable talent making the same $$$) b/c chances are that the win/loss suffers. at some point, to make money (fans attending games), you have to spend money. or you end up like the grizzlies. teams in the nba can not improve unless they get very lucky in the draft. the cba must change and all these stupid trade restrictions should be lifted.
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8/13/2008  12:06 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by tkf:

I have taken a new approach to things. Like someone mentioned, if you don't have a star, you are going to be stuck overpaying good players, star salaries... I don't like hearing that a team does not have a choice. Yes they do! sign and trade, or just don't give in. Listen, Iggy is good, but he is not a superstar level talent, if he walks, the sixers may take a step back, but it will be better in the long run. Unless that player is going to put you over the top and make you a contender, why do it? I could see cleveland overpaying a guy like that to add to lebron who already was in the finals, or maybe a team like the suns overpaying to add that player, that final piece, heck maybe even detroit, but the sixers are not close to a championship? they had a good run last year, and they added brand, but we don't know what kind of player brand will be after the injury and even then, the sixers are good, but they have not shown any signs of being a contender...

the choice is not that simple. you just can't lose a player like that (or s&t for a comparable talent making the same $$$) b/c chances are that the win/loss suffers. at some point, to make money (fans attending games), you have to spend money. or you end up like the grizzlies. teams in the nba can not improve unless they get very lucky in the draft. the cba must change and all these stupid trade restrictions should be lifted.

good point about the CBA changing, but you do know giving into these types of players for big money just seems to be a big mistake... 80 million? WTF? come on... the sixers didn't get good value for him, Kevin martin, Josh Howard, Okafor, josh smith, all got considrably less and we can argue that all are equal if not better talent... It is just stupid... something has to change...
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8/13/2008  12:54 PM
I agree something has to change with all this over paying. Philly may actually be in a better situation but they can't really get any better than they are right now. This is it for them. They can't trade anybody. So I guess signing Iggy for this money doesn't really matter.

Andre Miller is still tradeable though.....they may look to move him and just give Louis Willias the job full time.
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