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if Ben doesn't re-sign in Chicago, who will sign him?
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8/10/2008  1:46 AM
Does Philly have mooney left?

What other team does he fit on? And to prevent OT, how do the Knicks factor in? Should the Knicks attempt to aquire Ben Gordon?
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8/10/2008  6:26 AM
he sucks. Crawford without the highlights
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8/10/2008  9:32 AM
Posted by sebstar:

he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

whoa buddy your buggin. Ben Gordan is WAY better than Jamal Crawford. Check the stats and efficiency.
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8/10/2008  11:02 AM
here is something small from espn insider
Dynamo has a reputation of an underarchieving team here in Russia. They spend CSKA-like money on their roster, yet the results are very different. This year they finally got a great coach in David Blatt and also signed Bostjan Nachbar to what would be again a $9 million NBA contract. They are rumored to be targeting Ben Gordon, now that it's known that players of this caliber are available for the right money. Once again, it's impossible to tell how far the team can go in terms of spending, because what's happening now is unprecedented. For years, Dynamo has been the richest team that is not in the Euroleague, and they are desperate to get in the league.
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8/10/2008  11:53 AM
Ben Gordon to Russia would be crazy cuz he's a proven 20pt scorer in his prime.

Like I'm eluding to in this thread....who is gonna sign or try to sign and trade for him? I can see the Knicks being interested but not anyone else really. Maybe Clevland or Dallas but Chicago gets nothing from these teams.

Chicago should ignore him and let him walk......or fly to russia.
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8/10/2008  1:20 PM
Posted by sebstar:

he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

you are a homer, aren't you? ben gordon isn't nicknamed ben "garden" for nothing. he has outdueled crawford several times. that said.........they have the same mentality. they are both wannabe superstars.....but never will be.
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8/10/2008  1:41 PM
BenG would put up 30+ in europe
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8/10/2008  5:11 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by sebstar:

he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

whoa buddy your buggin. Ben Gordan is WAY better than Jamal Crawford. Check the stats and efficiency.

How is somebody that averaged less points and less assists "WAY" better. The shooting efficiency from both practically mirrored each other last year. I've talked about this inverse homerism theory before. We all need to stop pumping up every single player that wears another jersey.
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8/10/2008  5:14 PM
Posted by Cartman718:
Posted by sebstar:

he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

you are a homer, aren't you? ben gordon isn't nicknamed ben "garden" for nothing. he has outdueled crawford several times. that said.........they have the same mentality. they are both wannabe superstars.....but never will be.

So outdueling somebody a couple of times makes one clearly superior?

And hell yeah, I'm a knick fan. Somehow thats almost a persona non grata situation around here, but still.

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8/10/2008  5:41 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by sebstar:

he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

whoa buddy your buggin. Ben Gordan is WAY better than Jamal Crawford. Check the stats and efficiency.

The shooting efficiency from both practically mirrored each other last year.

must be talking abt circus mirrors.

it took crawford 300+ more shots to avg 2 more points than gordon. and gordon was 5% pts better than crawford from the line and from 3.

43% fr the field overall is a helluva lot more respectable than 41 esp. when you consider gordon is 5 in shorter and also lives and dies shooting jumpers over people.
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8/10/2008  6:11 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by sebstar:

he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

whoa buddy your buggin. Ben Gordan is WAY better than Jamal Crawford. Check the stats and efficiency.

The shooting efficiency from both practically mirrored each other last year.

must be talking abt circus mirrors.

it took crawford 300+ more shots to avg 2 more points than gordon. and gordon was 5% pts better than crawford from the line and from 3.

43% fr the field overall is a helluva lot more respectable than 41 esp. when you consider gordon is 5 in shorter and also lives and dies shooting jumpers over people.

My original point is this --- that Gordon and Crawford are comparable talents, but with the way people reacted to my first post, you would think that I compared Jordan to Ronaldo Balkman.

And despite the fact that they're fairly similar, three point shooting none withstanding, Crawford has been relentlessly hammered here.

In Crawford you're talking about a guy that has been a largely undisciplined player, who played on a wildly dysfunctional team last year --- and despite that still performed reasonably well. I guess the point is that I dont think the disparity between their talents is that dramatic that we need to break our necks to bring in Gordon in favor of Crawford.

It was hilarious that somehow Gordon being short was somehow a plus in his favor according to your post. Crawford's a talent and I think he can flesh out that ability in a more effective system.

[Edited by - sebstar on 08-10-2008 6:39 PM]
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8/10/2008  6:51 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by sebstar:

he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

whoa buddy your buggin. Ben Gordan is WAY better than Jamal Crawford. Check the stats and efficiency.

The shooting efficiency from both practically mirrored each other last year.

must be talking abt circus mirrors.

it took crawford 300+ more shots to avg 2 more points than gordon. and gordon was 5% pts better than crawford from the line and from 3.

43% fr the field overall is a helluva lot more respectable than 41 esp. when you consider gordon is 5 in shorter and also lives and dies shooting jumpers over people.

My original point is this --- that Gordon and Crawford are comparable talents, but with the way people reacted to my first post, you would think that I compared Jordan to Ronaldo Balkman.

And despite the fact that they're fairly similar, three point shooting none withstanding, Crawford has been relentlessly hammered here.

In Crawford you're talking about a guy that has been a largely undisciplined player, who played on a wildly dysfunctional team last year --- and despite that still performed reasonably well. I guess the point is that I dont think the disparity between their talents is that dramatic that we need to break our necks to bring in Gordon in favor of Crawford.

It was hilarious that somehow Gordon being short was somehow a plus in his favor according to your post. Crawford's a talent and I think he can flesh out that ability in a more effective system.

crawford can get better IF he wants to, i don't think system means that much. a guy who's fga's constantly go up, and still taking the same bad shots, and still shooting a poor % tells me he doesn't work on his game like he should (not even bringing up defense). he can create in any system, but still settles for the 20 foot fadeaway and shies away from contact.

it's not about system, he has the tools to be good, but i don't think the dedication is there. he probably would've benefitted with a more stable coaching situation, but even then, i would still have my doubts.
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8/10/2008  7:07 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by sebstar:

he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

whoa buddy your buggin. Ben Gordan is WAY better than Jamal Crawford. Check the stats and efficiency.

The shooting efficiency from both practically mirrored each other last year.


. when you consider gordon is 5 in shorter

5 inches shorter?
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8/10/2008  7:33 PM
he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

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He is much more explosive than Crawford and he doesnt play nearly the minutes--also Chicago does not have an inside presence. I dont think Crawford is nearly the shooter or the athlete

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK9zOH4LCcM

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 08-10-2008 7:52 PM]

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 08-10-2008 7:52 PM]
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8/10/2008  7:42 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by sebstar:

he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

He is much more explosive than Crawford and he doesnt play nearly the minutes--also Chicago does not have an inside presence. I dont think Crawford is nearly the shooter or the athlete

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK9zOH4LCcM

I dont think either is an exceptional athletes, so an advantage either way is negligible. I do believe that Crawford is the better talent of the two and the better scorer. Gorden is a better shooter. Crawford is hands down a superior ball handler, thats why his performance to date has been so disappointing. I feel he can get to the hole almost at will. DJ has a point in questioning his desire in that regard.

Does he want to be great?
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8/10/2008  7:50 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by sebstar:

he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

He is much more explosive than Crawford and he doesnt play nearly the minutes--also Chicago does not have an inside presence. I dont think Crawford is nearly the shooter or the athlete

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK9zOH4LCcM

I dont think either is an exceptional athletes, so an advantage either way is negligible. I do believe that Crawford is the better talent of the two and the better scorer. Gorden is a better shooter. Crawford is hands down a superior ball handler, thats why his performance to date has been so disappointing. I feel he can get to the hole almost at will. DJ has a point in questioning his desire in that regard.

Does he want to be great?

This is Crawford's 9th year. He is who he is. And you think Crawford is as explosive as this or even close?
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[Edited by - BRIGGS on 08-10-2008 7:55 PM]
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8/10/2008  7:58 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by sebstar:

he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

He is much more explosive than Crawford and he doesnt play nearly the minutes--also Chicago does not have an inside presence. I dont think Crawford is nearly the shooter or the athlete

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK9zOH4LCcM

I dont think either is an exceptional athletes, so an advantage either way is negligible. I do believe that Crawford is the better talent of the two and the better scorer. Gorden is a better shooter. Crawford is hands down a superior ball handler, thats why his performance to date has been so disappointing. I feel he can get to the hole almost at will. DJ has a point in questioning his desire in that regard.

Does he want to be great?

This is Crawford's 9th year. He is who he is.

Possibly, but its not as if Crawford is averaging 8 points in this league and he is clearly overwhelmed. Talent is not the problem, so the question is can he better refine and harness his game and his abilities?

We've seen players get it together, even later in their careers (Billips is a great example). Right now its now or never for him. He probably wont get a better opportunity given his advancing age.

That said, I dont think Gordon is considerably better than him at all.
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8/10/2008  8:00 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by sebstar:

he sucks. Crawford without the highlights

He is much more explosive than Crawford and he doesnt play nearly the minutes--also Chicago does not have an inside presence. I dont think Crawford is nearly the shooter or the athlete

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK9zOH4LCcM

I dont think either is an exceptional athletes, so an advantage either way is negligible. I do believe that Crawford is the better talent of the two and the better scorer. Gorden is a better shooter. Crawford is hands down a superior ball handler, thats why his performance to date has been so disappointing. I feel he can get to the hole almost at will. DJ has a point in questioning his desire in that regard.

Does he want to be great?

This is Crawford's 9th year. He is who he is.

Possibly, but its not as if Crawford is averaging 8 points in this league and he is clearly overwhelmed. Talent is not the problem, so the question is can he better refine and harness his game and his abilities?

We've seen players get it together, even later in their careers (Billips is a great example). Right now its now or never for him. He probably wont get a better opportunity given his advancing age.

That said, I dont think Gordon is considerably better than him at all.

I dont think he is considerably better either.
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8/10/2008  8:45 PM
who cares about fancy dribbling when the net result is an off-balance deep brick...

whether by an inch or a mile, Gordon is a better ball-player. watching those 2 play you see 1 guy who understands the team game and then there is crawford who clearly does not.

all the maybe's about coaching staff might have held true for the first 3 years of his career but Skiles Lenny and Larry can coach and Jamal showed no sustained progression under any of them.



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8/10/2008  9:09 PM
Given your signature, you seem to have some sort of an agenda, so whatever.

[Edited by - sebstar on 08-10-2008 9:09 PM]
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