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Lets be real: Does anyone here prefer Q over Balkman?
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colorfl1
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7/28/2008  12:37 PM
I cannot be alone in declaring that I like what Balkman brings for 10 minutes a night.
Are we really prepared to give this guy away???
Wouldn't you rather move Q instead... Does anyone here prefer Q over Balkman?

(yes, those are a lot of question marks...)
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7/28/2008  12:41 PM
I agree with you, mainly because I see Q as one of a few Knicks who are not NBA caliber players.
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7/28/2008  12:41 PM
I don't like what either one of them brings.
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7/28/2008  1:10 PM
Neither one but Q is more valuable because his contract is larger and it expires in 2010 or 2009 if he opts (which he probably will do if he has a good season). So I hope Q stays and averages 18 ppg then opts out like his homeboy Corey Maggette ( who he happens to be younger than) and we don't resign him.
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7/28/2008  1:27 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I don't like what either one of them brings.

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7/28/2008  1:29 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Neither one but Q is more valuable because his contract is larger and it expires in 2010 or 2009 if he opts (which he probably will do if he has a good season). So I hope Q stays and averages 18 ppg then opts out like his homeboy Corey Maggette ( who he happens to be younger than) and we don't resign him.

If Q gets 18 points a game it is a very bad development... that would mean that Q is taking 25-30 shots and is playing 35 minutes per game!!!
That would be horrible for the development of Nate, Chandler and Gallo.

Simply getting rid of salery will not make this a strong team... a vital ingredient missing under the Zeke regime was player development.
Focusing only on outside help keeps a team from developing core talent that is important for chemistry and winning ball.
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7/28/2008  1:44 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Neither one but Q is more valuable because his contract is larger and it expires in 2010 or 2009 if he opts (which he probably will do if he has a good season). So I hope Q stays and averages 18 ppg then opts out like his homeboy Corey Maggette ( who he happens to be younger than) and we don't resign him.

If Q gets 18 points a game it is a very bad development... that would mean that Q is taking 25-30 shots and is playing 35 minutes per game!!!
That would be horrible for the development of Nate, Chandler and Gallo.

Simply getting rid of salery will not make this a strong team... a vital ingredient missing under the Zeke regime was player development.
Focusing only on outside help keeps a team from developing core talent that is important for chemistry and winning ball.

You can develop players without having them play a ton of minutes in a game. That's what assistant coaches and other members of the staff are for. That's what practice is for. I am all for the development for Gallo and Chandler but at the same time I want to win games. Chandler and Gallo playing 20mpg each should be good enough at this stage in their careers. To everyone in UK's dismay Quentin Richardson is still better than Wilson Chandler. Zach Randolph is still way better than Gallinari. Maybe under D'antoni, Rich and Z-Bo play more team oriented. If not then yank them but I think Mike D knows what he will be doing. If playing Q more minutes gives us more wins then I rather have that then losing games with only Wilson Chandler post game dunk highlights to be happy about. Chandler and Gallo have to earn playing time.
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7/28/2008  1:45 PM
Q was one of the 5 worst shooters in basketball last season. He has no value to me.
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7/28/2008  1:49 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Q was one of the 5 worst shooters in basketball last season. He has no value to me.

Q was also the top 5 overweight players last year. Fact of the matter the man can ball "when" he's in shape
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7/28/2008  1:52 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Neither one but Q is more valuable because his contract is larger and it expires in 2010 or 2009 if he opts (which he probably will do if he has a good season). So I hope Q stays and averages 18 ppg then opts out like his homeboy Corey Maggette ( who he happens to be younger than) and we don't resign him.

If Q gets 18 points a game it is a very bad development... that would mean that Q is taking 25-30 shots and is playing 35 minutes per game!!!
That would be horrible for the development of Nate, Chandler and Gallo.

Simply getting rid of salery will not make this a strong team... a vital ingredient missing under the Zeke regime was player development.
Focusing only on outside help keeps a team from developing core talent that is important for chemistry and winning ball.

You can develop players without having them play a ton of minutes in a game. That's what assistant coaches and other members of the staff are for. That's what practice is for. I am all for the development for Gallo and Chandler but at the same time I want to win games. Chandler and Gallo playing 20mpg each should be good enough at this stage in their careers. To everyone in UK's dismay Quentin Richardson is still better than Wilson Chandler. Zach Randolph is still way better than Gallinari. Maybe under D'antoni, Rich and Z-Bo play more team oriented. If not then yank them but I think Mike D knows what he will be doing. If playing Q more minutes gives us more wins then I rather have that then losing games with only Wilson Chandler post game dunk highlights to be happy about. Chandler and Gallo have to earn playing time.
If you are not going to be a competitive playoff team then I do not know what 5 more wins a season really does for you.
The team is better off giving players with upside a lot of real game experience. The Knicks should be giving playing time to the players they see as being fixtures for the next 4 years, and not wasting core playing time on players you are hoping will leave the organization.
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7/28/2008  2:05 PM
It depends the Q the year before played good defense and shot the ball well, he is down 15 pounds so i think he will bring some good things to the table.
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7/28/2008  2:19 PM
Q couldn't avg 18 a game if 3's counted as 6's.
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7/28/2008  2:23 PM
Are we talking about the Q of last season or the Q of the previous season?
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7/28/2008  2:33 PM
Any knick version of Q sucks. The guy is always out of shape, always needs a ladder to get above the rim, always jacks up 3s w/o a decent %.
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7/28/2008  2:34 PM
I like Q better. If he's not healthy it doesnt matter, but before he got here he was a good player. You can look into the low shooting % all you want but that was really the one hole in his game, and that was his role on a lot of those teams. He can actually dribble and has some post moves... two things Balkman doesnt. He's a good defender and an excellent rebounder.

If he's fat and his back is shot then he shouldnt be playing anyway. If he's healthy he's way better than Balkman
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7/28/2008  2:46 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I like Q better. If he's not healthy it doesnt matter, but before he got here he was a good player. You can look into the low shooting % all you want but that was really the one hole in his game, and that was his role on a lot of those teams. He can actually dribble and has some post moves... two things Balkman doesnt. He's a good defender and an excellent rebounder.

If he's fat and his back is shot then he shouldnt be playing anyway. If he's healthy he's way better than Balkman

+1 and when healthy,Q vs balkman is not even close....
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7/28/2008  2:54 PM
Q is a fat piece of **** that likes to run his mouth but never backs it up. He is part of the problem not the solution. Give me Balkman who doesn't run his mouth.
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7/28/2008  2:59 PM
Q is a leader, has played for D'Antoni before, and has a very solid work ethic. Character means alot to D'Antoni. I think Q's contract is also much harder to move because it can't be insured. I don't think Balkman has a future as a Knick and may not have an NBA future.
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7/28/2008  3:27 PM
Crush-a-lot - every thing you said is true....except you must agree that Q is not very good anymore
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7/28/2008  5:18 PM
When healthy and on their games Q is a far better player than Balkman. It's not even a comparison. But of course "when healthy" is very important.
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