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7/21/2008  5:09 PM
As reported on ESPN.com:

The Nets are close to finalizing a deal with the Orlando Magic for free agent Keyon Dooling.
The move likely will mean the end of Marcus Williams' days in New Jersey.

The Nets are said to be looking to package Williams and one of their other young players, such as forwards Josh Boone or Sean Williams, for a veteran. -- New York Daily News


Williams, who has heard his name in trade rumors for some time, said the situation is spurring him to fight even harder for his job.
"I think you have to play with a chip on your shoulder now to prove you deserve minutes on a team like we have," said Williams. -- New York Post
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A trade of Balkman and Lee for Marcus Williams, Sean Williams, and a lottery-protected 1st round pick would be a solid trade IMO. Lee would give the Nets a skilled power forward who can rebound. Balkman is added defense at the SF position, which is weak now that they traded Jefferson. It appears they have given up on Williams, who cannot stay healthy, and Sean Williams is limited offensively, but is perfect for us because we need a shot-blocker. Lee is easily the best player in the deal and worth NJ giving up a protected 1st round pick.

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7/21/2008  5:14 PM
Williams and Williams would be a nice package to acquire, though I'm not as excited about Marcus. Still it would fill a couple of holes quite nicely.
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7/21/2008  5:16 PM
I would love that trade, even though I believe they are packaging williams and williams for a reason that talks about their character or work ethic.

Jersey is trying to be a model franchise
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7/21/2008  5:19 PM
You guys gotta be kidding me. Marcus Williams is a burger.

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7/21/2008  5:36 PM
Marcus Williams only has a injury problem early on in his young career. He proved he could shoot and score when that was mostly in question coming into the league.

He needs to be a Knick. Its an easy out for the Knicks. The guy is one of the best passing guards in the last few drafts. He's still on his rookie deal. We need to take a chance on his services. End of descussion.

Sean Williams is also one of if not the best shot blocker to come out in the last few drafts......if not him then Boone needs to be a Knick cuz he's a tough bastard.

Wake up Walsh.....trade them Malik or some wild **** and then waive jerome.....whatever, just ****in do it.
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7/21/2008  5:58 PM
Posted by oohah:

You guys gotta be kidding me. Marcus Williams is a burger.

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Based on what? He was never given a fair shot in Jersey. Even when he did get some minutes, Frank, for some odd reason had him playing off the ball with Vince running the point. He was underused and misused at the same time.

I think Williams can flourish in the D'Antoni system. He is a imaginitive pass-first point guard who can make everyone around him better which is what D'Anotni has been looking for. I'd definitely look to trade for him.
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7/21/2008  6:02 PM
If he's so great, then why are the Nets trying to push him on someone before his rookie contract is even up? Aren't the Nets considered the "model franchise"

I thought Rod Thorn was one step below George Bush and one step above Jesus around these parts, so its assumed that Marcus Williams cant possibly be worth anything. Why trade for him if Thorn is obviously bellowing from above the clouds, in an indirect way, that Williams is a bust or at least unlikely to realize his potential?

I'm throughly confused, somebody help me out.

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-21-2008 6:03 PM]
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Based on what? He was never given a fair shot in Jersey. Even when he did get some minutes, Frank, for some odd reason had him playing off the ball with Vince running the point. He was underused and misused at the same time.

I think Williams can flourish in the D'Antoni system. He is a imaginitive pass-first point guard who can make everyone around him better which is what D'Anotni has been looking for. I'd definitely look to trade for him.


Okay, now you have to be kidding me for real! He didn't have a fair chance? He was handed the backup PG position as a rookie! He was guaranteed minutes and had 2 great scorers, Jefferson and Carter, and another good scorer: Krstic, and several other pretty good scorers to pass the ball to. Seems like a fair chance to me.

He was a human turnover machine worse than Crawford. He isn't pass-first. He's shoot first and he shoots a terrible percentage. If you have been watching him you know this to be true. And when he does pass, he is too "imaginative", and that is why he ends up passing the ball to a cheerleader half the time.

He played off the ball because he was unable to hold down the PG position and they had to play Kidd more than he should have plauyed. And since Williams has a scoring mentality, they tried to make use of him at SG. Also, he couldn't guard any PG at all. The only problem is he can't guard any SGs either.

Williams was given every chance to succeed. How many PG's get to be mentored by Jason Kidd and appointed his successor before he plays a game? How many rookie PGs get to pass to wing players like Carter and Jefferson, and centers like Krstic? How any rookie PGs are guaranteed minutes?

Williams has sucked. Period, no ifs ands or buts. His coach has criticized him, his teammates have criticized him, now you see the Nets management don't care about him anymore.

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7/21/2008  6:20 PM
Posted by sebstar:

If he's so great, then why are the Nets trying to push him on someone before his rookie contract is even up? Aren't the Nets considered the "model franchise"

I thought Rod Thorn was one step below George Bush and one step above Jesus around these parts, so its assumed that Marcus Williams cant possibly be worth anything. Why trade for him if Thorn is obviously bellowing from above the clouds, in an indirect way, that Williams is a bust or at least unlikely to realize his potential?

I'm throughly confused, somebody help me out.

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-21-2008 6:03 PM]

You can spin it that way if you want.....

Truth is they have a point guard in Devin Harris. He was awesome for them from his first game as a Net. Nets have Harris and Carter and just signed Dooling. I forgot who else they have but they have a stacked team and need to unload some luxury players.......

Best point guard available.
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7/21/2008  6:33 PM
I'm always up for grabbing talent on the cheap, but where would you find Williams minutes?
We just still have Nate, just signed Duhon, and have Mardy who is making a case for a roster spot. We're apparently in talks with Roberson for a contract, and this is all assuming we take care of the Marbury situation before the season starts.
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7/21/2008  6:36 PM
I think theres alot of confusion here. No one knows what Marcus Williams, he played poorly in Jersey but he was a good player in college. To me that makes him a low-risk high-reward type player. I'd rather sign him than Roberson, that's for sure. Sign him to a 2 deal, if it doesn't work out, no big deal, but there is no doubt that he has some raw skill.
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7/21/2008  6:39 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by sebstar:

If he's so great, then why are the Nets trying to push him on someone before his rookie contract is even up? Aren't the Nets considered the "model franchise"

I thought Rod Thorn was one step below George Bush and one step above Jesus around these parts, so its assumed that Marcus Williams cant possibly be worth anything. Why trade for him if Thorn is obviously bellowing from above the clouds, in an indirect way, that Williams is a bust or at least unlikely to realize his potential?

I'm throughly confused, somebody help me out.

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-21-2008 6:03 PM]

You can spin it that way if you want.....

Truth is they have a point guard in Devin Harris. He was awesome for them from his first game as a Net. Nets have Harris and Carter and just signed Dooling. I forgot who else they have but they have a stacked team and need to unload some luxury players.......

Best point guard available.

Just giving you a hard time ...and trying to get at the Net fans and Thorn groupies around here...you think he's worth an expiring tho?

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-21-2008 6:39 PM]
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7/21/2008  6:51 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I think theres alot of confusion here. No one knows what Marcus Williams, he played poorly in Jersey but he was a good player in college. To me that makes him a low-risk high-reward type player. I'd rather sign him than Roberson, that's for sure. Sign him to a 2 deal, if it doesn't work out, no big deal, but there is no doubt that he has some raw skill.

Okay, let's trade 3 laptops to the Nets for him!

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7/21/2008  7:10 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by oohah:

You guys gotta be kidding me. Marcus Williams is a burger.

oohah


Based on what? He was never given a fair shot in Jersey. Even when he did get some minutes, Frank, for some odd reason had him playing off the ball with Vince running the point. He was underused and misused at the same time.

Maybe...just maybe...Frank didnt give him the chance to run the offense because he SUCKS.

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7/21/2008  7:12 PM
You know, it kinda sucks picking up sloppy seconds from the Nets , out of all the teams. But on the other hand if this kid really was misguided by his coach then yeah, like Uptown said, Mikey'D can probably resurrect his game. Maybe we can get our point guard for years to come and thats the only way him comming to the Knicks would make sence. Never seen him play tho really. . .
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7/21/2008  7:16 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by sebstar:

If he's so great, then why are the Nets trying to push him on someone before his rookie contract is even up? Aren't the Nets considered the "model franchise"

I thought Rod Thorn was one step below George Bush and one step above Jesus around these parts, so its assumed that Marcus Williams cant possibly be worth anything. Why trade for him if Thorn is obviously bellowing from above the clouds, in an indirect way, that Williams is a bust or at least unlikely to realize his potential?

I'm throughly confused, somebody help me out.

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-21-2008 6:03 PM]

You can spin it that way if you want.....

Truth is they have a point guard in Devin Harris. He was awesome for them from his first game as a Net. Nets have Harris and Carter and just signed Dooling. I forgot who else they have but they have a stacked team and need to unload some luxury players.......

Best point guard available.

Just giving you a hard time ...and trying to get at the Net fans and Thorn groupies around here...you think he's worth an expiring tho?

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-21-2008 6:39 PM]

Well I haven't had a chance to mess with the trade checker.....

You see this is why I was annoyed that the Knicks didn't trade Zach to the clips.......right now the Knicks would only have curry to replace......what if the Nets wanted Curry? Sign and trade krstic and bring williams along with him? Maybe even sean williams or boone?

Flip the roster already....all the Knicks under Donnie have done was draft someone who adds to the glut while signing a 4th point guard.....not to mention in the process of signing a 5th point guard that only can shoot.
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7/21/2008  7:28 PM
he also hired a coach whose system should hopefully improve things
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7/21/2008  7:44 PM
Posted by oohah:
Based on what? He was never given a fair shot in Jersey. Even when he did get some minutes, Frank, for some odd reason had him playing off the ball with Vince running the point. He was underused and misused at the same time.

I think Williams can flourish in the D'Antoni system. He is a imaginitive pass-first point guard who can make everyone around him better which is what D'Anotni has been looking for. I'd definitely look to trade for him.


Okay, now you have to be kidding me for real! He didn't have a fair chance? He was handed the backup PG position as a rookie! He was guaranteed minutes and had 2 great scorers, Jefferson and Carter, and another good scorer: Krstic, and several other pretty good scorers to pass the ball to. Seems like a fair chance to me.

He was a human turnover machine worse than Crawford. He isn't pass-first. He's shoot first and he shoots a terrible percentage. If you have been watching him you know this to be true. And when he does pass, he is too "imaginative", and that is why he ends up passing the ball to a cheerleader half the time.

He played off the ball because he was unable to hold down the PG position and they had to play Kidd more than he should have plauyed. And since Williams has a scoring mentality, they tried to make use of him at SG. Also, he couldn't guard any PG at all. The only problem is he can't guard any SGs either.

Williams was given every chance to succeed. How many PG's get to be mentored by Jason Kidd and appointed his successor before he plays a game? How many rookie PGs get to pass to wing players like Carter and Jefferson, and centers like Krstic? How any rookie PGs are guaranteed minutes?

Williams has sucked. Period, no ifs ands or buts. His coach has criticized him, his teammates have criticized him, now you see the Nets management don't care about him anymore.

oohah


I've seen Williams play more college games than actual Net games, I will admit that much, but from what he did at Uconn, in an uptempo offense, showed me that he is more of a passing point guard than the shooter he may have tried to be (or was asked to be if he's playing off the ball) since putting on a Nets uni.

Last year, to me was a wash because of the injury. He was injured in the summer, I believe, and came into camp injured and out of shape. I'm sure he wasn't 100% and out of shape for most of if not all of last year. While he was injured, the Nets signed Darryl Armstrong because they needed a back-up point with Williams questionable status. Then the Nets move Kidd (who wanted out) and get back a better pg prospect in Harris than Williams is right now. Nothing wrong with that deal. Charlotte just drafted DJ Augustine with Felton on the roster. New coach, new system. Felton is a better player but maybe Augustine fits the system a little better.

The same with Marcus. Maybe he doesn't fit KiKi's vision. Have you noticed all of Thorns picks (Sean Williams, Josh Boone, Marcus Williams, etc) are all on the block. They drafted players in this years draft that duplicate positions they already have young players in. New direction. Again, just because Marcus is being moved doesn't mean he's garbage, it could mean they want to go in a different direction. Same with Sean Williams and Boone. I believe Marcus can be a better point guard than anyone on our roster right now at running an uptempo open court offense.
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7/21/2008  7:46 PM
Posted by sebstar:

he also hired a coach whose system should hopefully improve things

Here's improving things all in a few clicks of the mouse:

Malik Rose contract for Trenton Hassell, Sean Williams, Marcus Williams, and Maurice ager

Knicks end up with too many contracts? What? Oh ok.....waive Marbs and that fat bastard Jerome James.

How you love them apples?
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7/21/2008  8:01 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by sebstar:

he also hired a coach whose system should hopefully improve things

Here's improving things all in a few clicks of the mouse:

Malik Rose contract for Trenton Hassell, Sean Williams, Marcus Williams, and Maurice ager

Knicks end up with too many contracts? What? Oh ok.....waive Marbs and that fat bastard Jerome James.

How you love them apples?

I like oranges, you musty f**k.

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-21-2008 8:01 PM]
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