Isn't all of this premature? It's been this kind of thinking that has caused me to rail against pessimism and basically argue in defense of our situation over the years even tho it was never really a great chance for success. It's the exaggeration that gets under the skin. It's the premature bashing that gets me going.

Duhon was clearly signed as a stop gap and anything on the plus side we get from him is a nice bonus. A 2 yr contract makes it more than evident that he's not viewed as a savior or permanent answer to our needs. It is however a smart move to make sure that we aren't left without a solid option during the next 2 years. If someone better presents themselves or if Duhon steps up all the better, but he's better than not having a steady hand as we transition.

Roberson is a cheap role player that fills a need for this team and hopefully he does it well enough to stick. If not he's easily let go. If Walsh and D'Antoni feel he fits the role, then so be it. We'll know soon enough if he can fulfill that role. It's not worth bashing them over really.

The summer is far from over and we don't know what Walsh will do or what he's planning. I don't see the need to make a federal case out of the moves made so far and the ones they haven't yet made. Can we at least see what they end up doing and what the roster will look like to start the season?

And BRIGGS, if you want to hate on someone, hate on isiah, because he's the one who put us in this mess. Face it dude! There's not much Donnie can do right now. We just have to wait.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by 4949:

BRIGGS, you should have made this into a poll. I give it a B+, mostly for the contract itself. A two year, not very expensive deal that ends shortly. Just in time for major cap relief. And short of an A, because of the talent level. If they end up signing Roberson, then it will be an equal B+ (short of an A) for the same reasons.

Unless you are friends or family of Duhon and Roberson, I don't see how happy you can be that they are getting overpaid. But I understand, Walsh and Mike want to hook up their crew too like Isiah. Hell its only Dolan's money and it ain't nothing better than Dolan bucks. Free money.

How is Roberson overpaid ?

Duhon - B - Character, defense sounds good to me

Gallinari - A++++ - for all we know, its a bruised back (i.e. no big deal) - but this kid is huge, can shoot, has a handle like a guard and also displays great BB IQ

Roberson - B - hey, if Walsh & Dantoni envision him doing well in this high octane O, then I trust them - he's a terrific athlete, shooter with good size for a PG (and I like that he's been humbles by not making the NBA immediately....I think he needed that)

I'll give everything I've seen an overall C.

Why? Cause it's too early to say one way or another where this franchise is headed.

Firing Isiah? No brainer.
Hiring Mike D? A good choice even if his style only goes so far.
Drafting Gallinari? A risk but expected to happen.
Signing Duhon and wanting Roberson? Completely unneeded IMO but there are probably other shoes to drop - as in a culture change - even if temporary rentals until the summer of 2010.

So far a C. Nothing to wow you, nothing to make you bang your head. Let's just call it one big shoulder shrug for now.

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by 4949:

BRIGGS, you should have made this into a poll. I give it a B+, mostly for the contract itself. A two year, not very expensive deal that ends shortly. Just in time for major cap relief. And short of an A, because of the talent level. If they end up signing Roberson, then it will be an equal B+ (short of an A) for the same reasons.

Unless you are friends or family of Duhon and Roberson, I don't see how happy you can be that they are getting overpaid. But I understand, Walsh and Mike want to hook up their crew too like Isiah. Hell its only Dolan's money and it ain't nothing better than Dolan bucks. Free money.

How is Roberson overpaid ?

He is getting a NBA contract when he is a fringe player.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Cosmic:

I'll give everything I've seen an overall C.

Why? Cause it's too early to say one way or another where this franchise is headed.

Firing Isiah? No brainer.
Hiring Mike D? A good choice even if his style only goes so far.
Drafting Gallinari? A risk but expected to happen.
Signing Duhon and wanting Roberson? Completely unneeded IMO but there are probably other shoes to drop - as in a culture change - even if temporary rentals until the summer of 2010.

So far a C. Nothing to wow you, nothing to make you bang your head. Let's just call it one big shoulder shrug for now.

i'll give the offseason so far a solid B.

firing Isiah = A+ obviously
hiring Walsh = A
hiring D'Antoni = B+
drafting Calamari = B
signing Duhon = C (stopgap like u mentioned but if it signifies the departure of Marbs i have to upgrade that to a B on that aspect alone)
signing Roberson = WTFC

firing Isiah = A+
hiring Walsh = A
hiring D'Antoni = A
drafting Calamari = B
signing Duhon = B
Signing Duhon to only 2 years = A-
signing Roberson = C- (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt)
making a trade before or during the draft to get another pick = F
Trading Zack or Curry = C but I don't feel we have to rush into anything
Not giving Zack away for nothing = A
Changing the Knicks team culture and motivation = B+ (assuming Marbury doesn't come back)

Briggs overzealous optimism -

I have to be a little more optimistic and enjoy the summer. I'll wait til the first 20 games before I get bummed out....or Elated!


[Edited by - markji on 07-20-2008 11:01 AM]

Posted by BigSm00th:

briggs i give your overall effort this summer an A+

A+ for effort and C- for failure.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by 4949:

BRIGGS, you should have made this into a poll. I give it a B+, mostly for the contract itself. A two year, not very expensive deal that ends shortly. Just in time for major cap relief. And short of an A, because of the talent level. If they end up signing Roberson, then it will be an equal B+ (short of an A) for the same reasons.

Unless you are friends or family of Duhon and Roberson, I don't see how happy you can be that they are getting overpaid. But I understand, Walsh and Mike want to hook up their crew too like Isiah. Hell its only Dolan's money and it ain't nothing better than Dolan bucks. Free money.

How is Roberson overpaid ?

He is getting a NBA contract when he is a fringe player.

Hmmm, he's getting something like 700,000 plus for one year. Compared to the massive useless contracts on this team IT'S A BARGAIN!