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7/19/2008  4:45 PM
We should know more next week.

As per Crispino during the SL game.
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7/19/2008  4:53 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

We should know more next week.

As per Crispino during the SL game.

Yeah. I heard that too. Hopefully they will not let him out. I got to tell you. I don't see what he brings other than his shooting. He allows the ball to penetrate against him so easy. I could see a couple of times when it look like Chandler and Miller were getting piss. He seems to focus on his offense and getting his shot off. Reminds me a lot of Jamal but without the size and handle. D'Antoni is dreaming if he thinks this guy will be a legit shooting guard in the league even off the bench without strong post play.
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7/19/2008  5:19 PM
I think we should just keep suckbury, let jerome go, getting it down to 15 and call it a day.
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7/19/2008  5:22 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Cosmic:

We should know more next week.

As per Crispino during the SL game.

Yeah. I heard that too. Hopefully they will not let him out. I got to tell you. I don't see what he brings other than his shooting. He allows the ball to penetrate against him so easy. I could see a couple of times when it look like Chandler and Miller were getting piss. He seems to focus on his offense and getting his shot off. Reminds me a lot of Jamal but without the size and handle. D'Antoni is dreaming if he thinks this guy will be a legit shooting guard in the league even off the bench without strong post play.
In the kind of limited minutes he'll play, the overall effect defensively shouldn't be much. Guys like Eddie House don't defend well one on one. We have to hope that the team concept will work when it comes to scorers off the bench. If you think the guy can help open up your offense then you get him and not worry about him not being a stopper when he's out there. I doubt he'll be as bad after they get a chance to work with him on defensive concepts. House improved a bit when he joined Boston, so anyone can get better.
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7/19/2008  5:29 PM
Yeah but House worked because of KG post play and ability to kick it out. Unless Curry and Randolph are going to that then it won't work.
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7/19/2008  5:41 PM
I think they should drop the deal--let him go back to Israel. This was a srushe decision. We already have nate--we dont need another 5-11 SG--especially one who cant shoot better than 30% in SL. Boy is he a bad team player and not much of a shooter with someone guarding him.
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7/19/2008  5:59 PM
Oh no! If we don't get Roberson, all is lost!
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7/19/2008  6:15 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think they should drop the deal--let him go back to Israel. This was a srushe decision. We already have nate--we dont need another 5-11 SG--especially one who cant shoot better than 30% in SL. Boy is he a bad team player and not much of a shooter with someone guarding him.

co-sign. I didn't see any playmaking abilities. The guy is so busy looking for his shot. Yeah, he seems to be a great 1 on 0 player.
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7/19/2008  6:26 PM
I think Mike and Walsh have a better handle on what they need to make this offense hum. If Mike feels he needs another good shooter, that can hit an open shot then so be it. The whole idea is to be able to not only create open shots but to hit them. Mike must feel he'll be able to create those open looks so i'm not going to bash the move at this point.

Even if Curry or Zach aren't the best passing bigs in the league, there will still be a need for someone to be able to hit an open shot. We had lots of open shots but no one to hit them these last few years. Remember that is why we have been calling for Isiah to add shooters. It wasn't that we couldn't get any open looks it was that defenders didn't fear our shooting. Don't go so much by what you see in SL. Just cuz Roberson isn't looking effective now, doesn't mean that down the line when Mike gets this team playing right that he won't be effective.
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7/19/2008  7:39 PM
I like Roberson for the D'Antoni strategy. If he can hit a 3 and get it off quick, he can be very helpful.

I really don't care if he is "just a shooter". A shooter is exactly what the Knicks need. A real shooter, not Jamal Crawford. We need to a put a shooter out there to keep defenses honest on Curry and Zach.

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7/19/2008  7:51 PM
Posted by 4949:

I think we should just keep suckbury, let jerome go, getting it down to 15 and call it a day.

i think we should send both of em packing... & whether we sign Roberson or not is pretty insignificant to the fortunes of this team going forward... i'd just as soon give Mardy some minutes next season & see if he can improve on his pathetic season last year.
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7/19/2008  7:57 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by 4949:

I think we should just keep suckbury, let jerome go, getting it down to 15 and call it a day.

i think we should send both of em packing... & whether we sign Roberson or not is pretty insignificant to the fortunes of this team going forward... i'd just as soon give Mardy some minutes next season & see if he can improve on his pathetic season last year.

I agree and this is why I was so hard on the Duhon signing.

(Sorta with TruckBury - again - either buy him out - or put the ball in his hands and tell him to dominate. Which probably means, just..buy him out)

To me, we're not going anywhere until 2010-2011 at the earliest, and Duhon/Roberson are "hold down the fort for now" type deals.....so why even bother? Nate/Craw/Mardy couldn't "hold down the fort" until the summer of 2010?

I don't understand.

They're not damaging signings they're just plain needless signings. They bring nothing, they solve nothing, we have players here already.

Honestly, what would you rather watch for the next two seasons?

Nate and Mardy handling the point with Craw/Q handling the SG - all while we win about 65-70 games in total over 2 seasons - or watch Duhon/Roberson fight with Mardy/Nate for minutes?

I just don't understand. Duhon/Roberson - I don't understand. Craw/Mardy/Nate were fine to handle the "hold down the fort until we get cookin in July 2010" scenario.

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7/19/2008  8:04 PM
Duhon at least will bring a little defense & has a great assist to turnover ratio, so hopefully that will cut down on some of the costly turnovers... Roberson's role i fail to see as any different than what Nate would be called on to do for us... at the minimal dollars he'd cost, i really could care less if we signed him or not, but we really don't need another undersized shooting G.
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7/19/2008  8:06 PM
Looking at his overall game, I think we can do better than Roberson.
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7/19/2008  8:13 PM
Mike seems to want shooting insurance. It's not enough to say we have a guy like Roberson already. How about adding as much shooting as possible, since that's one of the key principles to his offense. Being able to shoot quickly is a staple of D'Antoni teams. Defenders run around like crazy due to fear of being beat by a quick shot before they can recover. I fail to see why this concept is so hard to grasp.

If one of his guys has an off night he wants to be able to pull another guy off the bench who can do pretty much the same thing as the lead guy. This is part of why his system succeeds. The system is dependent on shooting specialists throughout the roster. For years we've had poor shooting and that must change for this to work.

Expect more alleyoops as well this year. We have quite a few guys who can catch and finish, as well as those who can catch and shoot now. I expect to see that continue. Team Speed is another aspect to see improved as we move along.
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7/19/2008  8:33 PM
It's not enough to say we have a guy like Roberson already

sure it is... not that hard a concept to grasp that we don't need another undersized SG when we already have 6 G's on the payroll as it is... even if Marbs is bought out we don't really need to add another G to this glut... ain't gonna cost much so no big deal but what's the point is the question.

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7/19/2008  8:40 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Mike seems to want shooting insurance. It's not enough to say we have a guy like Roberson already. How about adding as much shooting as possible, since that's one of the key principles to his offense. Being able to shoot quickly is a staple of D'Antoni teams. Defenders run around like crazy due to fear of being beat by a quick shot before they can recover. I fail to see why this concept is so hard to grasp.

If one of his guys has an off night he wants to be able to pull another guy off the bench who can do pretty much the same thing as the lead guy. This is part of why his system succeeds. The system is dependent on shooting specialists throughout the roster. For years we've had poor shooting and that must change for this to work.

Expect more alleyoops as well this year. We have quite a few guys who can catch and finish, as well as those who can catch and shoot now. I expect to see that continue. Team Speed is another aspect to see improved as we move along.

Yeah, but he is a 6'2" shooter that is an average athlete that so far as not demonstrated playmaking ability. And as Briggs already pointed is shooting around 30% in SL action. I would hope that he would be shooting better than that in SL action. I think this is a guy that D'Antoni has liked for awhile but seemed that he couldn't get in Phoenix for whatever reason. All I saying if you cut Marbury and Collins then you are down to Duhon as the only legit pg while Jamal and Nate can play sometime there. If he is brought in to be a combo guard then I rather go with Nate and Jamal, guys who have already proved they atleast belong in the NBA.
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7/19/2008  8:53 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think they should drop the deal--let him go back to Israel. This was a srushe decision. We already have nate--we dont need another 5-11 SG--especially one who cant shoot better than 30% in SL. Boy is he a bad team player and not much of a shooter with someone guarding him.

co-sign. I didn't see any playmaking abilities. The guy is so busy looking for his shot. Yeah, he seems to be a great 1 on 0 player.

The guy has been in the league before at Golden State where he fit in well with other starters on their team. I believe baron was hurt at the time.

I would like to see him suit up with knicks starters(preseason gms) and see how he plays before I gave him the boot.



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7/19/2008  8:59 PM
Posted by Ira:

Looking at his overall game, I think we can do better than Roberson.

We have to get rid of two guys just to bring someone in? I say we dump jerome and that's it for now.
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7/19/2008  10:46 PM
Roberson will be playing the Eddie House role and that clearly means a minor role and short minutes. What is the problem? I think there's just too much being made out of this.
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