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EnySpree
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7/19/2008  9:52 AM
For the record, I like what I see outta Gallo, but........

Chandler is having an awesome summer league. You guys see it so no need to go all out with a gushing description.

????........don't you guys think Gallo and Chandler play the same position? D'antoni said he sees him as a power fwd......its all fine and dandy. So does that mean in 2 years we are gonna be locked into a Gallo, Chandler forward combo? If that's the direction of the team, then what becomes of Lee and Zach? Right now is it best to just sit back with Zach and Chandler as the starters with Lee, and Gallo backing them up and let that sort itself out?

Ok well here's when Duhon, Bayless and DJ Augustine jump in......the Knicks had an opportunity to flat out draft Bayless or Augustine......thus......saving the exemption. I liked Bayless but never thought he'd fall as low as he did. I didn't like Augustine @ 6 but did appreciate his game. Both guys are killing summer league. How ill would it be to have one of those guys on the roster right now? The forum would be totally gushing........

???????......was it a mistake to draft Gallo? He was taken out of summer league play after experiencing some back spasms. Lets face it, the kid has a long summer. I think summer league was meant to give him a peak, or his feet wet on american basketball. He's gonna be headed to Europe next week or so to compete in the olympics for his national team......then he has to report to Knicks training camp....and then play the 82 game season. A lot of rookies hit the wall but is this kid gonna make it to april? He has age on his side cuz @ 19 I was still running around like a indestructable maniac.....if this kid does start to wilt around jan/feb how will us fans take it? Not to say Bayless or Augustine can't hit the wall, but......thes two guys don't have the non-stop compeditive schedule that Gallo has.

A lot of points but they all tie in to me.

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7/19/2008  10:23 AM
I don't know if it was a mistake to draft Gallo, but I think what you're suggesting is probably true - that Gallo is likely to have some rough patches and/or miss some games. As I understand it he has been playing non-stop up until recently - this sumer league period may be the only chance he gets to rest.

We load a lot onto our rookies. I think we need to have a 2-3 year horizon for judging them. It would be a mistake to focus too much on Gallo this coming season.

All that being said, who's to say who will be here in two years? This is gonna continue to be a team in flux because the balance still is not right.

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7/19/2008  10:25 AM
Eny if you truly understood the politics behind the gall pick you would understand it much better.

Under Isiah Thomas even I was wondering why the smuck never went out and scouted a seasoned Euro vet like other teams in the association has done before. Big cities like LA and Chicago Texas beat NY to the punch with guys like Vlade, sasha vuljac and Nocioni, Ginobli etc..

This year it's almost we were gonna take a euro player hell or high water with this new regime.

NY Knicks will always be a team of politics when it comes to player draft choices, insufficent contracts, playing time for younger player vs playing time for vets with larger contracts who aren't as good.

Any good GM usually drafts a future pg or bigman with a high draft choice if they don't already have one on the roster who could be a force for yrs to come.

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7/19/2008  10:29 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Chandler is having an awesome summer league. You guys see it so no need to go all out with a gushing description.

????........don't you guys think Gallo and Chandler play the same position? D'antoni said he sees him as a power fwd......its all fine and dandy. So does that mean in 2 years we are gonna be locked into a Gallo, Chandler forward combo? If that's the direction of the team, then what becomes of Lee and Zach? Right now is it best to just sit back with Zach and Chandler as the starters with Lee, and Gallo backing them up and let that sort itself out?

Ok well here's when Duhon, Bayless and DJ Augustine jump in......the Knicks had an opportunity to flat out draft Bayless or Augustine......thus......saving the exemption. I liked Bayless but never thought he'd fall as low as he did. I didn't like Augustine @ 6 but did appreciate his game. Both guys are killing summer league. How ill would it be to have one of those guys on the roster right now? The forum would be totally gushing........
Well, those are 2 interesting points. I cant say much though, because I just have the same questions in my mind.
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7/19/2008  10:51 AM
Well for Lebron that combo would be deadly, the same applies for Wade.

Gallo, I really liked what I saw in limited time. The guy to building a great team is having guys that can do a lot of things well.

Gallo handles the ball, has energy, toughness and leadership, not to mention he can shoot it and handle it. He is 19 years old is going to fill out and maybe grow to almost 7 feet tall. Even if he is a shade under what dirk brings which i think he can be I will take it.

Chandler is big and strong and very young and does brings everything gallo does but is more athletic and is hitting very tough shots in summer league. It's one thing to take the ball to the rack.

And if the Knicks wanted Bayless I am sure the blazers would be open to moving him for David Lee would would be the perfect sixth man for that team....I don't like DJ summer league is summer league anyone can look good.
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7/19/2008  10:55 AM
Posted by MS:

Well for Lebron that combo would be deadly, the same applies for Wade.

Gallo, I really liked what I saw in limited time. The guy to building a great team is having guys that can do a lot of things well.

Gallo handles the ball, has energy, toughness and leadership, not to mention he can shoot it and handle it. He is 19 years old is going to fill out and maybe grow to almost 7 feet tall. Even if he is a shade under what dirk brings which i think he can be I will take it.

Chandler is big and strong and very young and does brings everything gallo does but is more athletic and is hitting very tough shots in summer league. It's one thing to take the ball to the rack.

And if the Knicks wanted Bayless I am sure the blazers would be open to moving him for David Lee would would be the perfect sixth man for that team....I don't like DJ summer league is summer league anyone can look good.

one question - you said alot of good stuff about gallo, who's extent of game you saw was summer league. but then you ended the post saying you didn't like augustine b/c summer league can make anyone look good. so what makes gallo appealing but augustine not?
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7/19/2008  11:44 AM
Playa - politics as usual, lol. Your point is still a good one. Right away this guy was tagged to be the Knicks pick. Stern has a hard on for one to pop up in ny and Gallo has kind of a "golden boy"/"italy's chosen one" thing going on.

It still comes down to: was it the right move? It seems like more of the same old thing......like signing jared and drafting Balkman.

Drafting Gallo when chandler is poppin off right now. Then signing Duhon when they could have saved that money and just drafted Bayless/Augustine.

Again I just wanna point out the Gallo "power fwd" thing. Saying that basically says Zach and Lee can kick rocks. It says they aren't in the plans. I can dig it....but how do you guys feel about that? We have debated Zach and Lee to no end but the powers that be already said Gallo is their power fwd of the future.
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7/19/2008  11:46 AM
This year it's almost we were gonna take a euro player hell or high water with this new regime.

Westbrook was the #1 choice for us at #6 though until he was drafted by Seattle at #4. With the fact that he proved himself on the highest level in Europe at 19. As well as the skills and hustle he has shown off in his first summer league game. Gallo is a legit prospect even if they "only took him because of the community". Then they got lucky.
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7/19/2008  11:46 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by MS:

Well for Lebron that combo would be deadly, the same applies for Wade.

Gallo, I really liked what I saw in limited time. The guy to building a great team is having guys that can do a lot of things well.

Gallo handles the ball, has energy, toughness and leadership, not to mention he can shoot it and handle it. He is 19 years old is going to fill out and maybe grow to almost 7 feet tall. Even if he is a shade under what dirk brings which i think he can be I will take it.

Chandler is big and strong and very young and does brings everything gallo does but is more athletic and is hitting very tough shots in summer league. It's one thing to take the ball to the rack.

And if the Knicks wanted Bayless I am sure the blazers would be open to moving him for David Lee would would be the perfect sixth man for that team....I don't like DJ summer league is summer league anyone can look good.

one question - you said alot of good stuff about gallo, who's extent of game you saw was summer league. but then you ended the post saying you didn't like augustine b/c summer league can make anyone look good. so what makes gallo appealing but augustine not?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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7/19/2008  11:58 AM
While Gallo & Chandler do many things similar. Gallo is more of the point-forward type, Chandler is more of a banger. Gallo shown flashes of creating shots for others with unselfish play. Chandler has shown of his shotblocking ability. They compliment each other well.

We are going to have to be patient with Gallo at the PF positoin because we are going to have to wait about a yr of him hitting the weights and getting from 226 to 240(14pds of muscles). He could go into camp next season as 6'11 240.

As we are currently constructed Gallo most likley won't get much burn this yr because of the current log jam of Curry, Randolph, Lee, Chandler, Richardson. Unless he takes Richardson's mins. We will see how it plays out though.
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7/19/2008  12:12 PM
I don't buy this political angle at all. The kid was a legit pick at #6 and that's all there is to it. They had a good look at Bayless and just didn't like him for the PG position. You can't tell anything from his performance in Summer League cuz it's easy for athletic and quick guards to get off in SL format and against this competition. There's no real D and the level of comp is low. We'll see how Bayless does in real action. Still it comes down to fit for this team and not how he does on another team.

Gallo will hit a real wall cuz his schedule has been brutal. We've got the position more than covered so it's no big deal.
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7/19/2008  12:13 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Playa - politics as usual, lol. Your point is still a good one. Right away this guy was tagged to be the Knicks pick. Stern has a hard on for one to pop up in ny and Gallo has kind of a "golden boy"/"italy's chosen one" thing going on.

It still comes down to: was it the right move? It seems like more of the same old thing......like signing jared and drafting Balkman.

Drafting Gallo when chandler is poppin off right now. Then signing Duhon when they could have saved that money and just drafted Bayless/Augustine.

Again I just wanna point out the Gallo "power fwd" thing. Saying that basically says Zach and Lee can kick rocks. It says they aren't in the plans. I can dig it....but how do you guys feel about that? We have debated Zach and Lee to no end but the powers that be already said Gallo is their power fwd of the future.

Yea people make fun, because I called the knicks choice a "community pick", but that's what I believe it was. It superficially represents change from the knicks shot callers point of view.

Eny how about this, if "the gall" and chandler is considered the future and will get a sufficient amount of playing time, how will the team's chemistry and culture work knowing Z-BO's attitude and Lee wanting to get paid after this season.

The only alternative will be z-bo or lee get traded before the season.

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7/19/2008  2:07 PM
I think Nilo was the right choice at 6 to be honest. He's got the skills to be a very good player in this league and has the maturity and IQ to be a great team player.

When Bayless dropped, I got caught up in the surprise. Everyone assumed he would go 4 so he appeared to be the BPA after not really considering him an option prior. I am relieved we did not select him. He may one of the more talented players in this draft class, but I haven't seen anything from him that will stop him from being Marbury part 2. We don't need another scoring guard running our team.

Yes, we need a PG right now, and Duhon is only a short term solution. I wouldn't have minded seeing Bayless running the point for the next 2 years, but you don't waste a #6 pick on a short term fix.

Augustine is another story. His height was a big issue for me, and I'm still waiting to see if he will be able to compensate for it when it comes time to face the big dogs.

I liked what I saw from Nilo in the summer league, and the other two have been very impressive as well, but this is just summer league. This is not the time to rate rookies for the long haul.
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7/19/2008  3:01 PM
I wanted Gallinari from the beginning, and believe that the Knicks wanted him more than we think they did.

He is a team player to a fault, who will do what he is told to do.
His D looked fine to me for his first NBA-style game. Hell, if he hadn't take the charge (not whistled) by Trayler, he would still be playing in the SL.

He looks like he can adapt to the team style/players he is playing with. I think he will do better as the Knicks better understand D'Antoni's system.
I don't see why he and Chandler can't coexist as forwards. Both of them have flexible games and a variety of skills.

He is still young in terms of his physical development. His workout routine will help him get stronger for a young man, but it will be about 2-3 years before his adult strength kicks in. I AM NOT COMPARING HIM TO BIRD as a player, but look at when Bird started in the NBA. He was 23 shortly into his first season. In 3 years Gallinari will have much more strength than he has today simply through maturation. The 240lb weight also seems feasible, especially with the strength boost from maturing and regulated lifting.

By the end of this season, he will be our most consistent outside shooter during games.


Regarding the other players mentioned here. Is Bayless going to be driving against NBA interior defenses as much as he did in SL? He will not survive too long if he does. Bayless is a tiny 2 guard. Lets see how he does on a consistent basis with guys who will put him on his ass. And can he play D at 2? He is 6'1."

I like Augustine, but he is less than 6' and will have a tough time on D, although to be honest, if the Knicks had made the deal with Memphis and had 5 & 6, I would have wanted Gallinari and Augustine picked.

Just be patient and try to enjoy watching Gallo and Chandler develop. As for the rest of the team, the next 2 years is an evolutionary period for the Knicks- pure survival of the fittest in the D'Antonio system. It will be interesting to see which of our present Knicks survive.


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7/19/2008  3:29 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

For the record, I like what I see outta Gallo, but........

Chandler is having an awesome summer league. You guys see it so no need to go all out with a gushing description.

????........don't you guys think Gallo and Chandler play the same position? D'antoni said he sees him as a power fwd......its all fine and dandy. So does that mean in 2 years we are gonna be locked into a Gallo, Chandler forward combo? If that's the direction of the team, then what becomes of Lee and Zach? Right now is it best to just sit back with Zach and Chandler as the starters with Lee, and Gallo backing them up and let that sort itself out?

Ok well here's when Duhon, Bayless and DJ Augustine jump in......the Knicks had an opportunity to flat out draft Bayless or Augustine......thus......saving the exemption. I liked Bayless but never thought he'd fall as low as he did. I didn't like Augustine @ 6 but did appreciate his game. Both guys are killing summer league. How ill would it be to have one of those guys on the roster right now? The forum would be totally gushing........

???????......was it a mistake to draft Gallo? He was taken out of summer league play after experiencing some back spasms. Lets face it, the kid has a long summer. I think summer league was meant to give him a peak, or his feet wet on american basketball. He's gonna be headed to Europe next week or so to compete in the olympics for his national team......then he has to report to Knicks training camp....and then play the 82 game season. A lot of rookies hit the wall but is this kid gonna make it to april? He has age on his side cuz @ 19 I was still running around like a indestructable maniac.....if this kid does start to wilt around jan/feb how will us fans take it? Not to say Bayless or Augustine can't hit the wall, but......thes two guys don't have the non-stop compeditive schedule that Gallo has.

A lot of points but they all tie in to me.

I think it's good to have Chandler and Gallinari. If one fails, then we'll have a back up. They are both SFs. Lee is a PF and zach is registered as a PF also, but........

I think it's very important to get Lee into the starting line-up. I think pushing zach into the center position, with curry backing him up makes a lot of sense. This move puts more offensive production in the center position, with curry giving zach a breather. And our rebounding increases greatly with Lee starting at the power forward position. Plus I also think that Lee will thrive under a D'Atoni system as a scorer also.

On the SF side, I think it's healthy for Chandler and Gallinari to compete for the starting position. They both have a lot of talent and one can make the other one emerge as a starter. I don't see them dominating the position together. It's hard to find a combo like that in the NBA.

If they continue to play zach at PF and start curry, then you have a repeat of last year. No doubt! It will decrease our rebounding opportunities, because curry can't rebound if his life depended on it.

In what I am proposing is 'if we can't improve our defense in either case, then let's at least increase our rebounding opportunities and scoring potential'. Basically, we're not going to be a defensive minded team anyways, right!
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7/19/2008  3:31 PM
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We load a lot onto our rookies. I think we need to have a 2-3 year horizon for judging them. It would be a mistake to focus too much on Gallo this coming season.

Bingo!
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7/19/2008  3:36 PM
Posted by playa2:

Eny if you truly understood the politics behind the gall pick you would understand it much better.

Under Isiah Thomas even I was wondering why the smuck never went out and scouted a seasoned Euro vet like other teams in the association has done before. Big cities like LA and Chicago Texas beat NY to the punch with guys like Vlade, sasha vuljac and Nocioni, Ginobli etc..

This year it's almost we were gonna take a euro player hell or high water with this new regime.

NY Knicks will always be a team of politics when it comes to player draft choices, insufficent contracts, playing time for younger player vs playing time for vets with larger contracts who aren't as good.

Any good GM usually drafts a future pg or bigman with a high draft choice if they don't already have one on the roster who could be a force for yrs to come.

Regardless of the 'new regime' as you call them, they are doing it 'the right way' vs. the wrong way like isiah-diot did.
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7/19/2008  3:37 PM
Posted by 4949:
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We load a lot onto our rookies. I think we need to have a 2-3 year horizon for judging them. It would be a mistake to focus too much on Gallo this coming season.

Bingo!

Unless you are the # 6 pick overrall. You are expected to pay immediate dividends. If you are a late first round and 2nd year then you are given time to develop.
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7/19/2008  3:47 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Playa - politics as usual, lol. Your point is still a good one. Right away this guy was tagged to be the Knicks pick. Stern has a hard on for one to pop up in ny and Gallo has kind of a "golden boy"/"italy's chosen one" thing going on.

Is it necessary to tag him with that? it's just coming off as bias dude.

alright, I apologize if I come off too strong, but what about Gallinari's strong points?

[Edited by - 4949 on 07-19-2008 3:50 PM]
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7/19/2008  3:58 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by BasketballJones:


We load a lot onto our rookies. I think we need to have a 2-3 year horizon for judging them. It would be a mistake to focus too much on Gallo this coming season.

Bingo!

Unless you are the # 6 pick overrall. You are expected to pay immediate dividends. If you are a late first round and 2nd year then you are given time to develop.

Not necessarily
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