[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

If Zach is not traded do you think he will have a good season?
Author Thread
BigC
Posts: 22672
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 12/14/2004
Member: #829
7/17/2008  9:04 AM
Do you think Zach will benefit from coach D'Antoni's system?
BigC's Knick blogs and Knicks highlights after every Knicks game http://fromthebaseline.com/
AUTOADVERT
purple012870
Posts: 21778
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2003
Member: #432
7/17/2008  9:16 AM
No, unless he steals some of Curry's minutes.
metra
Posts: 20743
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/11/2003
Member: #473
7/17/2008  9:40 AM
What does "good season" mean?

I'm sure he'll have good stats. Don't know if that will translate to Ws for the Knicks as a whole though.
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
7/17/2008  9:43 AM
Posted by BigC:

Do you think Zach will benefit from coach D'Antoni's system?

everybody will be able to shoot in this system, hence everyone will benefit. when the motto is 7 seconds or less, the only guy i see possibly being left behind is curry. everybody else is going to get their shots up. that's why gallinari won't be a bust, he will get every opportunity to shoot, and since he can shoot the ball, he will put up some points.

the question isn't whether zach will benefit, the question is will the knicks win more than 30 games.
Markji
Posts: 22753
Alba Posts: -4
Joined: 9/14/2007
Member: #1673
USA
7/17/2008  9:47 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BigC:

Do you think Zach will benefit from coach D'Antoni's system?

everybody will be able to shoot in this system, hence everyone will benefit. when the motto is 7 seconds or less, the only guy i see possibly being left behind is curry. everybody else is going to get their shots up. that's why gallinari won't be a bust, he will get every opportunity to shoot, and since he can shoot the ball, he will put up some points.

the question isn't whether zach will benefit, the question is will the knicks win more than 30 games.
Zach will have a good year.
Your Question?-"Will the Knicks win more than 30 games??" Not if they get rid of Zach as a salary dump and dont get anything in return.

Curry should be traded instead of Zach, trade or buy out MArbury and then we have the core of a good team that will grow over the next year or 2 with D'Antoni at the helm.

The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. Tom Clancy - author
purple012870
Posts: 21778
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2003
Member: #432
7/17/2008  9:57 AM
1. Gallinari won't be a bust because he seems to be an outstanding prospect, not just b/c he'll get a lot of looks.

2. Zach - unless he changes his me first, me 2nd & screw whoever is 3rd attitude....Zach is way down the list of options as far as I'm concerned. And the Knick chances do not hinge on him.
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
7/17/2008  10:25 AM
As of right now the Knicks are a top 5 lottery team in the NBA.
RIP Crushalot😞
fishmike
Posts: 53902
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
7/17/2008  10:27 AM
not only do I think Zach will have a good year but I think he will be a big reason why we win more games. There is a misconception that Zach loafs and he doesnt. Zach is a tough guy who likes to rebound and likes to score on his opponents. Zach will earn the 20 shots a game he gets because he will rebound. I see Zach being the dominating rebounder on the team next year. After he cleans the glass if we dont score on a fast break he will be one of the first and best options on offense. He can spot up, has great Kurt Thomas like range on that jumper or he can quickly post and go into a fast move.

Zach is a douche and an Isiah aquisition. Get past that and his skills are perfect for what Mike will want to do next year. Also.. he can pass. Look at the Knicks last year and the types of shots our guards took. If you were Zach would you pass? Honestly.. thats not really defending him either, just is what it is.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
7/17/2008  10:30 AM
zach's game does need a little tweaking. he's not a quick decision maker, and i think that's b/c of his lack of athleticism. he's preprogrammed to make sure he knows what he wants to do and to work his body to get the best possible angle to keep his defender from stopping him. he will need to take that jumper right away in the pick and roll instead of holding the ball. he will need to make his *basketball move* as soon as he gets the ball. his initial pause stalls the offense and allows defenses to recover and get set.

on a side note, i think fish's man-crush has drifted into all out man-love.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-17-2008 10:31 AM]
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
7/17/2008  10:52 AM
I personally don't like Zach. But in this system he may actually be pretty good statistically. I think someone else will have to lead us to wins, but I think he will be more valuable in this system than curry will. No matter what numbers he puts up we still will have the issue of two poor defenders and shot blockers standing next to each other night after night. That can only get you so far.
I just hope that people will like me
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
7/17/2008  11:10 AM
[quote]
Posted by Bippity10:

I personally don't like Zach. But in this system he may actually be pretty good statistically.


---Do you think he has any chance to be better than 2006 his last year with Portland?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3531

That season yielded the Blazers Steve Francis and aback up PF
RIP Crushalot😞
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
7/17/2008  11:15 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]
Posted by Bippity10:

I personally don't like Zach. But in this system he may actually be pretty good statistically.


---Do you think he has any chance to be better than 2006 his last year with Portland?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3531

That season yielded the Blazers Steve Francis and aback up PF

I could see close numbers. Not sure how to respond to the second part of your post. I think you are asking me in a roundabout way if his value will skyrocket if he has a great year. I personally don't think it will.
I just hope that people will like me
fishmike
Posts: 53902
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
7/17/2008  11:35 AM
it depends on the wins and losses. I dont think this is a 22 win team. Its not a 50 win team either. We won 37 games with an Othella/Kurt front court and Eisley/Ward as PGs. We did so because we were well coached and had a system that put everyone in a place to do what they did best.

I think we will see that kind of turn around. I think we have some firepower on this team and Mike will run the score up enough to keep us close.

So I think this team will win 35-40 games, be competitive most night and Zach will fill out the stat sheet quiet nicely. He's a very very productive player. After that your looking at a guy with 2 years left on his deal which is a short enough commitment for most teams.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Paladin55
Posts: 24321
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/6/2008
Member: #2098

7/17/2008  11:47 AM
Randolph always puts up "numbers" if he plays enough minutes. What exactly constitutes a good season for him? My feeling is that he should not take significant minutes from any of the younger frontline players who I want to see develop in D'Antoni's system. For me, those players are Lee, Gallinari, and Chandler. Hell, I would rather see Malik Rose play than Randolph in certain spots. If Randolph is somehow a changed player and actually fits into the system- fine, but I don't care if the Knicks get another high lottery pick because they lose this year. We have to accept that there are going to be a lot of growing pains this year.

By the way, other than blocked shots and assists, Randolph and Amare are not that different statistically. Look at the 36 minute stats on basketball-reference.come for the two guys, and you may be surprised. The biggest difference- Randolph has more assists, and Amare more blocked shots. I don't see the shooting % as that important because Amare's % is due to the kind of game Phoenix played, who he played with, and where he took his shots. I don't recall that Amare was a particularly great defender- man to man (could be wrong) - but the blocks seem to indicate that he does help out on D. I was very surprised, however, that on a team with so many skilled offensive players he could pass to, he averaged only 1.4 assists. (Randolph is at 2 APG)

If Amare did it, maybe Randolph can fit into D'Antoni's system, but he is not an interior defender, and never will be.

With Curry and Randolph we have a butter defense in the middle. Having one of them there might be OK, but you need at least one player who can clog the middle and block shots.


[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-17-2008 11:51 AM]
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
7/17/2008  11:50 AM
Posted by fishmike:

it depends on the wins and losses. I dont think this is a 22 win team. Its not a 50 win team either. We won 37 games with an Othella/Kurt front court and Eisley/Ward as PGs. We did so because we were well coached and had a system that put everyone in a place to do what they did best.

I think we will see that kind of turn around. I think we have some firepower on this team and Mike will run the score up enough to keep us close.

So I think this team will win 35-40 games, be competitive most night and Zach will fill out the stat sheet quiet nicely. He's a very very productive player. After that your looking at a guy with 2 years left on his deal which is a short enough commitment for most teams.

Zach Randolph is the key piece to getting FA in 2010. IF this was Walsh's number 1 goal then he may have made a huge mistake not getting rid of him while he had the chance. I dont see where his value will be rehabilitated because I doubt he can do better than what he did in Portland in 2007--which got him traded to the Knicks for what amounts to very little. Then Portland moves him and becomes a better basketball team. I did not agree with giving up a lottery pick to get rid of him but I do believe that we turned down the same deal that Denver did not. Is there a better deal out there? It's questionable. If we keep Zach-it will cause team distress/continued chemistry problems. He's still a guy who commands to much time with the ball and is the antithesis of what this type of ball is about.
RIP Crushalot😞
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
7/17/2008  11:51 AM
Posted by fishmike:

it depends on the wins and losses. I dont think this is a 22 win team. Its not a 50 win team either. We won 37 games with an Othella/Kurt front court and Eisley/Ward as PGs. We did so because we were well coached and had a system that put everyone in a place to do what they did best.

I think we will see that kind of turn around. I think we have some firepower on this team and Mike will run the score up enough to keep us close.

So I think this team will win 35-40 games, be competitive most night and Zach will fill out the stat sheet quiet nicely. He's a very very productive player. After that your looking at a guy with 2 years left on his deal which is a short enough commitment for most teams.

It's completely situational. GM's are very forgiving when it comes to talent. If the perception is that Zach was a good soldier and led to a turnaround I could see a bump in the demand for his services. If he's seen as counterproductive of course his value won't change. I personally don't think the perception of Zach will change that dramatically even with wins. I think he is who he is and there will be evidence of that this year even with added wins. He will have value at some point, but we will need to be smart in what we obtain in order to get equal value. I just don't think you can trade him for equal talent, unless that talent also comes with baggage.
I just hope that people will like me
Allanfan20
Posts: 35947
Alba Posts: 50
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #542
USA
7/17/2008  1:00 PM
He might have a lot of points and some rebounds, like he did last season, but if he's not going to play defense, then D'Antoni is going to have both Curry and Randolph on the bench. It's especially imperative for Randolph to get cracking on the defensive end, in the D'Antoni offense, b/c you need stops to create the fast break. I don't see it happening. This entire frontcourt needs to be dismantled.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
4949
Posts: 29378
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/25/2006
Member: #1126
USA
7/17/2008  1:02 PM
Posted by BigC:

Do you think Zach will benefit from coach D'Antoni's system?

I think the real question is will this team get better. Only if they give center spot to zach (with curry as backup) and move Lee into starting PF position.
I'll never trust this' team again.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/17/2008  8:30 PM
i expect more of the same from him.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
bitty41
Posts: 22316
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 12/3/2006
Member: #1215

7/17/2008  9:38 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]
Posted by Bippity10:

I personally don't like Zach. But in this system he may actually be pretty good statistically.


---Do you think he has any chance to be better than 2006 his last year with Portland?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3531

That season yielded the Blazers Steve Francis and aback up PF

Umm didn't he sit out most of the 2nd of that season due to knee surgery? So thats not really a great judge of anything.
If Zach is not traded do you think he will have a good season?

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy