Was Zach. You look at production by position and 5 man units and the evidence is staggering. When Zach played center the Knicks were actually in the +
http://www.82games.com/0708/0708NYK2.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0708/07NYK12C.HTM

We are an uptempo team now. Eddy is fat, slow, doesnt clog the lane, doesnt rebound, doesnt block shots. He's a nice man. Happy happy joy joy

Our best line up right now is
Duhon
Crawford
Chandler
Lee
Zach
with Nate, Skinny, rooster and Q off the bench

I don't think anyone questions the #s Zach is able to put up(a lot of times because he won't pass). It's more the chemistry and shedding salary(sticking to the 2010 plan) issues.

excellent... so its settled then!

Seriously though.. the desperation to dump our most productive player doesnt make sense. Send Curry and JJSkinny packing. They hit the cap the same as Zach does

Posted by djsunyc:

in d'antoni's system, and his objective of inflating stats, i think zach will average 42 pts and 23 rebs a game.

well... I want to save him for the playoffs a bit so lets say if his minutes are around 35 (instead of the 40 your suggesting) I think his numbers are 22/22 50% FGs

IMO, the most overwheliming need to move him is his contract which is the most expensive and runs the longest. I don't really think we can bandage this around Zach so IMO it makes the most sense to move him.

Posted by purple012870:

zach is also fat & slow....and will block 1 less shot a year than EC (which puts him at 0)

granted he's not known for his verticle leap but he is a great fundamental rebounder and despite giving up a couple inches most nights will clean the glass. He's also very quick.

Not looking to build around the guy but I think he's our best option at the 5 right now. Hell.. we won 37 games with Kurt playing center and Chaney coaching. Zach is a 100 times better

Marbury played well on the more balanced Knick squad of 03/04 ... Zeke just kept degrading the personnel in terms of acquiring one-dimensional players and bad fits.

Not to defend Marbury tho, as he developed into public enemy number one; But I remember when he first arrived, the difference between Marbury and the previous Point Guards was astonishing.

Posted by sebstar:

Marbury played well on the more balanced Knick squad of 03/04 ... Zeke just kept degrading the personnel in terms of acquiring one-dimensional players and bad fits.

Not to defend Marbury tho, as he developed into public enemy number one; But I remember when he first arrived, the difference between Marbury and the previous Point Guards was astonishing.

Not denying that at all. I even said that in my post. The problem is this. Once things don't go Marbury's way, things go bad for the team. It strikes me as the same for Randolph.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Stephon Marbury also had great stats and was also 100X better than Charlie Ward and Howard Eisley. Same player, different positions.

Marbury- Played hard on offense. Had a lot of assists. Better than most of our PGs from before him, which didn't say anything. Frequently slacked on defense, which helped make our defense collapse, and couldn't guard quicker PGs, even when he tried. Great stats. Never really made a contribution to winning, besides that one year in Phoenix when they lost in the first round. Chemistry killer.

Zach Randolph- Plays hard on offense. Goes after boards. Great stats. Better than our current centers, which doesn't really say anything. Slacks on defense A LOT. When the ball gets to him, it doesn't come back. This was in Portland AND New York. Never made a contribution to winning besides that one year he was in the playoffs with Portland. I think that was his second year. Popular to fishmike's belief, he does not fit in Dantoni's system, becaue he requires his players to make quick decisions with the ball. Zach doesn't do that and holds it WAY too long.

If you wanna dedicate this year to padding Zachs stats so we can trade him at a high value, fine. But he's not making a contribution to us becoming a good team. Move him for as much as you can, when you can. I can't really see him helping that much though.

Move Curry too.

Last year they would just dump him the ball and he would work one on one for whatever shot he was going to take. Zach has great hands would really excell in a catch and shoot offense, or one where he runs down the floor, immediatly posts and takes a quick shot while someone like Lee or Chandler is crashing the offensive glass. I think he will be a good player for us next year.

Fishmike. I can agree with you on this one thing. Zachs rebounding will absolutely help out the offense.

Just a few more disagreements though. I don't think Zach is a catch and shoot player. He was not one in Portland, he wasn't one in NY. I don't think I saw him catch and shoot one time actually, this past season. And maybe it was a dump it down offense, but I am sure there were plenty of times he could have just caught it and made a quick decision.

It struck me that everytime he caught the ball on the perimeter, his INSTINCT was to put his head down and pretend to be Allan Houston by doing that jab step work for about 10 seconds and then making a move. But if you think he can be a quick decision player, after watching the way he played for us and Portland, then I guess more power to you, but then I have one more arguement...

You've acknowledged that he doesn't play any defense or try to play defense, but then you seemingly brush it away to prove your point with his offense and rebounding. Yet you're forgetting one thing. If you want to play a fast break offense, then there's 2 things. One, you HAVE to play defense in order to initiate the fast break. Two, the other team is going to try to run it back after we ran, even if we scored a bucket, because everything go scrambled from the fast break. Therefore, Zach is going to have to run back on defense, when we know for a fact that he hardly tries. There's no way that can work and there's no way Zach would be able to play major minutes if he can't get back on defense to at least attempt to block shots and stop his man.

We never even mentioned this issue. You really think Zach is going to run everytime? I personally don't, let alone both ways.

He's not a fit.

i've also seen him run sometimes & i'm pretty sure he owns a few firearms as well... that must also make him a run & gun type player.