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WOODMANnYk
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7/26/2003  1:54 AM
As you know, Keith Van Horn will be wearing jersey #2 as a Knickerbocker. We all remember the last person to wear that number, a fierce competitor who brought alot excitement at the garden, Larry Johnson. Pretty much Van Horn chose the # cause he was the #2 pick in the 1997 draft of the 1st round. Hopefully, he can regained some of that touch during his first 3 yrs with the Nets when he avg 19pts and over 8 reb per game. LJ and VanHorn happened to have a similiarity where both of them are able to play the 3 and 4 position to their advantage. They were also capable of drawing their opponent away from the basket while shooting that 3 point shot. LJ played a major role during the knicks run at a Championship. Will VanHorn have some sort of big impact for the Knickerbockers???? What do you knick fans think????????????
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7/26/2003  9:56 AM
Great observation KNICKSBB, Vanhorn will have an GREAT opportunity to flourish and become a main cog in Chaney's system. Larry Brown admitted it yesterday how he should have had more plays for him, because that's they way they taught him to play ball in college at UTAH. I believe a lot of people will "EAT CROW" when Vanhorn brings a lot of versatility to the knicks.
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7/26/2003  12:53 PM
Posted by playa2:

Great observation KNICKSBB, Vanhorn will have an GREAT opportunity to flourish and become a main cog in Chaney's system. Larry Brown admitted it yesterday how he should have had more plays for him, because that's they way they taught him to play ball in college at UTAH. I believe a lot of people will "EAT CROW" when Vanhorn brings a lot of versatility to the knicks.

Your missing the point playa. Van Horns versatility and offense was never in question. His defense, however, was. The statistics from last year suggest that our offense was fine while our defense was the factor that let us down. We needed to work on our front court defense this offseason not on our offense. Thats why to many knick fans it seems that this trade did not help the knicks. This may work out differently if our offense becomes indeed so good that defensive talent is not necessarily needed, ie Kings, Mavs. However, Van Horn has proven that even with his offensive ability he levels off in tight spots and the playoffs whereas Sprewell did more in both situations. But either way this season will be different from the defensive knicks teams of yesteryear.
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7/26/2003  1:10 PM
Tight spots. You cant blame a guy for jus a few games in his career. Knix biggest concern now should be PG.
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7/26/2003  1:36 PM
Posted by subzero0:
Posted by playa2:

Great observation KNICKSBB, Vanhorn will have an GREAT opportunity to flourish and become a main cog in Chaney's system. Larry Brown admitted it yesterday how he should have had more plays for him, because that's they way they taught him to play ball in college at UTAH. I believe a lot of people will "EAT CROW" when Vanhorn brings a lot of versatility to the knicks.

Your missing the point playa. Van Horns versatility and offense was never in question. His defense, however, was. The statistics from last year suggest that our offense was fine while our defense was the factor that let us down. We needed to work on our front court defense this offseason not on our offense. Thats why to many knick fans it seems that this trade did not help the knicks. This may work out differently if our offense becomes indeed so good that defensive talent is not necessarily needed, ie Kings, Mavs. However, Van Horn has proven that even with his offensive ability he levels off in tight spots and the playoffs whereas Sprewell did more in both situations. But either way this season will be different from the defensive knicks teams of yesteryear.
I'm disagree on that one, subzero0.. The knicks major probelm concerning the frontcourt was the rebounding and being undersized. By having Sprewell play small forward caused alot of probelms for the knicks. Of course we're not questioning Spree's fire and intensity on the court but many times he would get outrebounded and outmuscled by the opposing, bigger SF from teams that would go with a huge lineup. Ex.Mashburn,Clifford Robinson,Al Harrington, Peja, Garnett and etc. At least with Van Horn, he can cause somewhat of a probelm v.s those guys. Van Horn averages 7.6 reb in his career and in terms of his defense, we know it will be a challenge for him but knicks are looking to implement more of a team oriented defensive scheme v.s opponents. That way, Van Horn won't be pressured as much. (Help Defense)!! By adding Van Horn on the squad ,the knicks definitely got bigger,younger and improved the rebounbing cateorgory. Regarding the defense, it will work itself out.
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7/28/2003  10:22 AM
Gotta agree - KVH will add rebounds, which was a Knicks deficit last year. Defense doesn't help much if you never get the ball - rebounding gets the ball back in the hands of the offense and then AH and KVH will be able to prove themselves. KVH and a #1 future are an even trade (plus you get 5 years of age).. Spree was exciting - but out of position. At least KVH is in the right spot. With the addition of other tall ones in Lampe and Vranes, or a player to picked up later, the Knicks should be better this year.
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7/29/2003  9:19 AM


BIG difference between LJ and KVH.

HUGE!

GIGANTIC!!

Offensive to even mention the two in the same sentence. If you ain't got a clue (like a lot here don't), here it is:




Let the excusing begin!
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7/29/2003  3:28 PM
My man Necrom, on point as usual... How dare anyone calling themselves Knicks fans compare LJ to KVH????

What a disgrace. How soon some people forget. Fickle is the only way to accurately describe it.

Don't believe the Keith Van Hype!!!!!


[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 07/29/2003 18:23:53]
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7/29/2003  11:14 PM
At least we don't need to worry about KVH choking in the playoffs this year because the Knicks won't be going to the playoffs.
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7/30/2003  7:39 PM
Layden deserves more credit
By: Waleed Aly
Date: 07/31/03
No matter what happens to the New York Knicks' roster there seems to always be a common response: "Fire Layden". Knicks GM Scott Layden has taken on the role of scapegoat for all that goes wrong with the Knicks.


The recent trade of Latrell Sprewell for Keith Van Horn is no different. Newspapers and fans everywhere have expressed their resentment towards Layden -- yet again. But in New York, can we ever let the judgment of fickle Knicks fan base go unquestioned?

At first glance the deal may seem like it was just another step in building the "New York Jazz." However, Van Horn brings more than just a Mormon connection.

1. Van Horn averaged more rebounds then Kurt Thomas had last year (7.1). Say what you want about Van Horn being soft, but the Knicks can sure use more rebounding.

2. Sprewell's strengths have always been his quickness and his ability to get to the basket, but as he gets older, those skills are only going to deteriorate. His field goal percentage has also been plummeting every year for the past four seasons reaching career low (40.2 percent) last year.

3. Putting Van Horn in the line up will give the Knicks an exceptionally large front court with Thomas at 6-foot-10, McDyess (assuming he plays) at 6-10 and Van Horn at 6-10. This can cause some serious match up problems for opposing teams.

4. As far as Van Horn disappearing in the clutch, I remember a Nets-Celtics playoff game (at which I happened to be in attendance, vehemently rooting against the Nets) where (much to my dislike) Van Horn hit two huge 3-pointers in the waning minutes of the game to seal the victory and eventually the series for the Nets. Bottom line, the Nets would not have made it to the finals without Van Horn that year.

Layden has brought in a natural small forward and added size to the team. Why are we so quick to just assume that because Layden carried it out it is a horrible decision. Layden, much to the disbelief of popular opinion, has not been as bas as everyone thinks. After the Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley move (which, I admit, was just horrible) he went and traded for possibly one of the best power forwards in the east in Antonio McDyess. He also drafted Maciej Lampe and Mike Sweetney who both appear to be promising.

So before we go and just add Van Horn to the list, "things Layden should be fired for," let's give Van Horn a chance. I mean, after all, this is New York – and hey "ya never know."
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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8/3/2003  10:57 PM
Posted by playa2:

Layden deserves more credit
By: Waleed Aly
Date: 07/31/03
No matter what happens to the New York Knicks' roster there seems to always be a common response: "Fire Layden". Knicks GM Scott Layden has taken on the role of scapegoat for all that goes wrong with the Knicks.


The recent trade of Latrell Sprewell for Keith Van Horn is no different. Newspapers and fans everywhere have expressed their resentment towards Layden -- yet again. But in New York, can we ever let the judgment of fickle Knicks fan base go unquestioned?

At first glance the deal may seem like it was just another step in building the "New York Jazz." However, Van Horn brings more than just a Mormon connection.

1. Van Horn averaged more rebounds then Kurt Thomas had last year (7.1). Say what you want about Van Horn being soft, but the Knicks can sure use more rebounding.

2. Sprewell's strengths have always been his quickness and his ability to get to the basket, but as he gets older, those skills are only going to deteriorate. His field goal percentage has also been plummeting every year for the past four seasons reaching career low (40.2 percent) last year.

3. Putting Van Horn in the line up will give the Knicks an exceptionally large front court with Thomas at 6-foot-10, McDyess (assuming he plays) at 6-10 and Van Horn at 6-10. This can cause some serious match up problems for opposing teams.

4. As far as Van Horn disappearing in the clutch, I remember a Nets-Celtics playoff game (at which I happened to be in attendance, vehemently rooting against the Nets) where (much to my dislike) Van Horn hit two huge 3-pointers in the waning minutes of the game to seal the victory and eventually the series for the Nets. Bottom line, the Nets would not have made it to the finals without Van Horn that year.

Layden has brought in a natural small forward and added size to the team. Why are we so quick to just assume that because Layden carried it out it is a horrible decision. Layden, much to the disbelief of popular opinion, has not been as bas as everyone thinks. After the Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley move (which, I admit, was just horrible) he went and traded for possibly one of the best power forwards in the east in Antonio McDyess. He also drafted Maciej Lampe and Mike Sweetney who both appear to be promising.

So before we go and just add Van Horn to the list, "things Layden should be fired for," let's give Van Horn a chance. I mean, after all, this is New York – and hey "ya never know."

The day Laydown gets any credit from ANY true Knick fan is the day we give Saddam Hussein a full Presidental pardon.

Playa, you are so dilusional it is getting shameful.
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8/4/2003  10:19 AM
Masterjedi is obviously on to Playa's game. HAHAHA...
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8/4/2003  10:47 AM
There is no game pike, I just don't want to hear all these haterz trying to say good things about the team when the knicks play better in 2003-2004.
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8/4/2003  11:01 AM
I hope the Knicks play better. At some point, you're going to have to admit our GM is the laughing stock of the league.
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8/4/2003  11:29 AM
I have already accepted LAYDEN INEPT attitude about the knicks, but when he tries to turn the corner with the team you guys start flashing the red light as if he's DWB! GIVE HIM A BREAK HIS LAST FEW MOVES WILL BE PLAYED OUT THIS SEASON.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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8/4/2003  11:34 AM
... how can anybody have confidence in this clown. (Layden)
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8/4/2003  4:57 PM
Yeah you're right...

LayDown's' LAST few moves will be this season.

Playa, just make sure YOU can own up to buying into the Keith Van HYPE "when" we get the #1 Overall pick in 2004.
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8/4/2003  6:28 PM
Posted by playa2:

I have already accepted LAYDEN INEPT attitude about the knicks, but when he tries to turn the corner with the team you guys start flashing the red light as if he's DWB! GIVE HIM A BREAK HIS LAST FEW MOVES WILL BE PLAYED OUT THIS SEASON.

You talk as if Layden has a PLAN or something...the man is a corporate puppet without one SHRED of intelligence. Mike Franchessa proved that with his interview.
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8/4/2003  10:26 PM
Mike Franchessa is an overweight blow hard ,his show with Mike IS A JOKE!
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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8/5/2003  3:07 PM
Yeah, whateva.... He had the sense to bring LayDown on after that stupid trade to show the world just how inept the Knicks GM really is. Mission accomplished.

THE REAL JOKE IS KNICKS MANAGEMENT. PERIOD.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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