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Michael6835
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7/9/2008  4:05 PM
Am I alone in wanting to see what Crawford brings to the table within a D'Antoni run system?

I've been reading and most posts indicate they want to get rid of him. I actually think he is one of the few guys on our team that has value and can actually help us. I mean the few games we did win over the past seasons, you can pretty much say he won a good majority of them for us. He would excel in a system where all he needs to do is run and shoot. Plus compared to all the egos in the knick locker room, he seems to be the most humble, says the right things.

thoughts?
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7/9/2008  4:12 PM
I'll trade Crawford the first chance I get.
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7/9/2008  4:14 PM
What Crawford brings? He's a veteran turnover-prone, low percentage shooting guard with poor defense. He is what he is.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 07-09-2008 4:15 PM]
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7/9/2008  4:20 PM
Posted by Michael6835:

Am I alone in wanting to see what Crawford brings to the table within a D'Antoni run system?

I've been reading and most posts indicate they want to get rid of him. I actually think he is one of the few guys on our team that has value and can actually help us. I mean the few games we did win over the past seasons, you can pretty much say he won a good majority of them for us. He would excel in a system where all he needs to do is run and shoot. Plus compared to all the egos in the knick locker room, he seems to be the most humble, says the right things.

thoughts?

I am keen on seeing the coach transforming Crawford into a perennial all star.
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7/9/2008  4:21 PM
Posted by colorfl1:


I am keen on seeing the coach transforming Crawford into a perennial all star.

Are you trying to say that he's going to threaten to make the all-star team?

Sorry oohah
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7/9/2008  5:54 PM
Posted by Michael6835:

Am I alone in wanting to see what Crawford brings to the table within a D'Antoni run system?

I've been reading and most posts indicate they want to get rid of him. I actually think he is one of the few guys on our team that has value and can actually help us. I mean the few games we did win over the past seasons, you can pretty much say he won a good majority of them for us. He would excel in a system where all he needs to do is run and shoot. Plus compared to all the egos in the knick locker room, he seems to be the most humble, says the right things.

thoughts?

the day we signed D'Antoni there were a few of us who were excited to see what Jamal could do in the uptempo style offense... u'r not alone.
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7/9/2008  6:11 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

What Crawford brings? He's a veteran turnover-prone, low percentage shooting guard with poor defense. He is what he is.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 07-09-2008 4:15 PM]
so was Billups for the first 5 years he was in the league (and traded 3 times). Dumars was killed for using the full MLE on him. The full MLE!!!! Imagine that

I think Crawford is a good shooter that takes terrible shots. I think with LB here you saw a guy that could be coached out of a lot of bad habits. I think he's going to open eyes as the player we thought we are all getting

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7/9/2008  6:13 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I think Crawford is a good shooter that takes terrible shots. I think with LB here you saw a guy that could be coached out of a lot of bad habits. I think he's going to open eyes as the player we thought we are all getting

I hope so Fish. We saw he has it in him when LB was here, but since then he hasn't displayed it. I hope D'Antoni can bring it out of him.
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7/9/2008  6:32 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by GKFv2:

What Crawford brings? He's a veteran turnover-prone, low percentage shooting guard with poor defense. He is what he is.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 07-09-2008 4:15 PM]
so was Billups for the first 5 years he was in the league (and traded 3 times). Dumars was killed for using the full MLE on him. The full MLE!!!! Imagine that

when dumars used the full MLE, billups came off 2 consecutive seasons of 42+FG%, along with 2 seasons of 37.6% and 39.2% from 3pt. In his 1st 4 years he played 51,29,45,and 13 games respecitively. Next season when he played a full season(which was the years i was describing above in Minny), Billups started producing.

Believing he may get better is fine, but there is NO COMPARISON to Billups.
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7/9/2008  6:42 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by GKFv2:

What Crawford brings? He's a veteran turnover-prone, low percentage shooting guard with poor defense. He is what he is.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 07-09-2008 4:15 PM]
so was Billups for the first 5 years he was in the league (and traded 3 times). Dumars was killed for using the full MLE on him. The full MLE!!!! Imagine that

I think Crawford is a good shooter that takes terrible shots. I think with LB here you saw a guy that could be coached out of a lot of bad habits. I think he's going to open eyes as the player we thought we are all getting

He is entering his 9th year now. Habits don't change after 9 years.

As for LB, I'm pretty sure Crawford still shot 40% from the field regardless of what Brown changed in his game.
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7/9/2008  7:16 PM
i'm just saying of everyone on the team, I think he has the most promise in a D'Antoni style offense.
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7/9/2008  8:22 PM
if walsh doesn't trade him, I think I will be pissed.

absolutely, crawford might be great under d'andoni. I doubt he makes an all star team, but even if he does, I still want him traded because he makes big $ and this is about rebuilding, not building and he is one of the few players we should be able to trade for an ending deal and a pick or two.

also, with him walsh & co can gleefully shoot for 36 wins. without him, we're locked into a season like miami had- and we need a superstar. we're not getting lebron, and any of the other guys that we might get (Bosh), aren't really that great and don't bring us a championship.

time to eat our medicine and really SUCK next year and grab a top pick in 09.
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7/9/2008  8:38 PM
if he does great under D'Antoni then his trade value would have to be real high to justify him being traded
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7/9/2008  8:48 PM
Posted by TMS:

if he does great under D'Antoni then his trade value would have to be real high to justify him being traded

If he does great under D'Antoni, he'll likely opt out of his deal in 2010 anyway, rendering the issue moot.
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7/9/2008  9:27 PM
then it's a win for us either way... we can likely work out a S&T deal using him as a piece of a deal to get a bigname here, or we can simply take the cap relief & use that to sign someone else... there's only good possible results if we see Jamal succeeding in D'Antoni's system... not sure why some people want to see him gone before we even get to see if that can happen or not... this isn't exactly a question of Zach Randolph fitting into an uptempo run & gun style of play here.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-09-2008 6:27 PM]
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7/9/2008  9:30 PM
Right...I wait and see what he does in training camp and Nov, unless there's a deal that make finacial sense.
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7/9/2008  9:36 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by GKFv2:

What Crawford brings? He's a veteran turnover-prone, low percentage shooting guard with poor defense. He is what he is.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 07-09-2008 4:15 PM]
so was Billups for the first 5 years he was in the league (and traded 3 times). Dumars was killed for using the full MLE on him. The full MLE!!!! Imagine that

when dumars used the full MLE, billups came off 2 consecutive seasons of 42+FG%, along with 2 seasons of 37.6% and 39.2% from 3pt. In his 1st 4 years he played 51,29,45,and 13 games respecitively. Next season when he played a full season(which was the years i was describing above in Minny), Billups started producing.

Believing he may get better is fine, but there is NO COMPARISON to Billups.
wow... Billups shot 42% twice in a row. Very impressive. Crawford is a 40% career shooter. Billups started producing when he was playing on a real team with a real coach. Lets evaluate Crawford in a system that suits him. If he scores 20 a game, shoots 41% and his +/- is a wash we have our answer dont we?

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7/9/2008  9:37 PM
They should trade Crawford and Malik for Micheal Redd.
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7/9/2008  9:40 PM
Craw is an awesome player. He's never played on a good team and he's gone from the Knicks trying to force him to be a 6th man to the Knicks forcing him to carry the team.
He's a damn good player guys. His handle is one of the best in the league and he's 6'5". He drove to the basket more than he ever did in his career last season. He was good.

His biggest flaw is shot selection.

Anyway, his ability to do what he does with the ball from the 2 spot is lethal in my opinion. To me its like having a two headed point guard. Nobody in the league can stay in front of Craw. That's a major weapon @ 2 guard. His passing ability is top notch too coming from that position. He's comfortable looking to score or looking to distribute.

I'm hoping D'antoni can see what I see and just unleash this on the nba. It should be looked @ the engine of this machine. That double skill @ the guard spot is perfect for an uptempo style.
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7/9/2008  10:18 PM
The question is of what we want to get read? Bad players or bad memories?
If it's first we need to see how Craf will do this year, if it's second - dump him together with Zack, Eddy, Marbs, Jeffries, Q, and Jerom. This group brings Isiah-era sad memories...
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