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7/8/2008  12:40 PM
Sixers getting in position to lure Brand from West Coast

By Marc Stein
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Updated: July 8, 2008, 11:00 AM ET

It suddenly appears that the biggest threat to the Los Angeles Clippers re-signing franchise forward Elton Brand can be found far east of Oakland.

NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com on Monday night that the Philadelphia 76ers are again "actively involved" in the Brand hunt -- and now a very serious threat to tempt him away from L.A. -- after initially fearing that they couldn't compete financially with the Clippers and Golden State Warriors.

Elton Brand

Brand

In the face of a longstanding leaguewide consensus that Brand would return to Hollywood to form a new partnership with Clipper-to-be Baron Davis, sources say that the Sixers are growing increasingly confident in their ability to create additional salary-cap space by trading away swingman Rodney Carney and center Calvin Booth, setting them up to make a sufficiently rich offer Brand would struggle to refuse.

Dealing away Carney and Booth -- with Minnesota and Memphis quickly emerging as possible destinations -- would shed nearly $3 million from the Sixers' payroll next season as long as the trade doesn't require new GM Ed Stefanski to take any salary back.

Multiple front-office sources said late Monday that the Sixers are closing in on a deal with the Timberwolves in which the Wolves would absorb the contracts of both Carney and Booth by using the $2.8 million remaining from a trade exception created by Minnesota's trade of Mark Blount to Miami last October and a separate minimum player exception. It was not immediately known what financial and/or draft considerations might be included in the trade from either side.

The Sixers are already expecting to have at least $11 million in salary-cap space to spend when the league announces next season's cap figure to all 30 teams Tuesday night. Depending on how closely the cap ceiling for the 2008-09 season comes to the widely projected estimate of $58-to-59 million -- and if the Sixers can finalize a trade to part with Carney and Booth -- it's conceivable that Philadelphia could possess the financial flexibility to start a five-year offer to Brand at a first-year salary in the $15 million range.

With much of the league's other significant free-agent business seemingly on hold while the Brand saga plays out, sources maintain that the Sixers also remain highly interested in Atlanta Hawks restricted free agent Josh Smith. Yet it appears that Philadelphia will give itself every opportunity to emerge as the unlikely winner of the Brand sweepstakes before deciding whether to sign Smith to an offer sheet that the Hawks would have seven days to match.

If Philadelphia can indeed manufacture a first-year salary of at least $15 million, that could exceed what can be offered by the Clippers, who must balance their obvious No. 1 priority -- retaining Brand -- with the cap space they'll need to formally sign Davis to the five-year, $65 million deal which the former Golden State point guard verbally agreed to last week.

It's possible that the Warriors, depending on where the cap is set, could still outbid both L.A. and Philadelphia for Brand thanks to Davis' defection. If next season's salary cap is announced at $59 million or thereabouts, as expected, Golden State should have the wherewithal to offer Brand a five-year deal worth just over $95 million.

Sources close to the process told ESPN.com on Monday that the Warriors continue to have dialogue with the Brand camp and have not abandoned hope of luring the 29-year-old to Northern California.

Yet separate sources suggested Monday that Brand -- if he's ultimately drawn away from his Face of the Franchise status with the Clippers -- would be more inclined to jump to Philadelphia than to Golden State, given the Sixers' residence in a conference with far fewer contenders than the West and the opportunity to join an emerging Philly nucleus (Andre Miller, Andre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young and the considerable wingspan of center Samuel Dalembert) that won many admirers as last season progressed.

It's believed that the Clippers can still assemble a five-year offer to Brand worth $80-to-85 million and give Davis his estimated $65 million over five years by simply renouncing their rights to free agents Corey Maggette and Shaun Livingston, renouncing several other free agents with modest salaries (Quinton Ross, Nick Fazekas, Marcus Williams, Paul Davis, Dan Dickau, Boniface N'Dong, James Singleton and Smush Parker) and perhaps waiving forward Josh Powell.

The Clippers also have the ability, as ESPN.com reported Monday, to put Brand on a very short list with Staples Center co-tenant Kobe Bryant as the only players in the league with an active no-trade clause in their contracts. A player must have at least eight seasons of service time, including four with his current team, to be eligible for a no-trade clause in the NBA. The player must also be entering into a new contract as opposed to merely extending a previous contract.

Provided that Clippers owner Donald Sterling responds to Philly's late charge by doing all he can financially to keep the two-time All-Star, it will be recorded as one of the bigger free-agent surprises in recent memory should Brand elect to leave behind his well-chronicled love of Hollywood and one-of-a-kind pride in being a Clipper to head back to the Eastern Conference for the first time since the Chicago Bulls traded him to the Clippers on draft night in 2001.

That's largely because Brand and agent David Falk, in announcing Brand's unexpected decision to opt out of the final season of his previous contract to become an unrestricted free agent, last week explained the forfeiture of next season's $16.4 million by saying that they hoped to give L.A. more payroll flexibility to strengthen the team around Brand.

Brand told ESPN.com on June 30 that his "intention is to stay" with the Clippers, while Falk spoke optimistically of Brand signing a deal to "finish his career with the Clippers" if the team could make another significant personnel acquisition or two. On the first day of free agency, L.A. reached a verbal agreement with Davis in what easily ranks as the biggest free-agent coup in Clippers history. ESPN.com reported two days later that Davis was the player Brand specifically asked Clippers management to chase in June.

But Clippers officials, already said to be privately shaken by Golden State's substantial offer to Brand, will have much more serious cause for concern if the Sixers can shed a salary or two this week to increase their available cap space.

Sources said that Carney going to Memphis would be a possibility because the Grizzlies have ample cap room of their own to absorb Carney as well as a natural interest in a player likely to have some gate appeal after experiencing collegiate success at Memphis.

But a deal with Minnesota would obviously be preferable for the Sixers, enabling them to shed two contracts and then immediately throw a megadeal at Brand after pointing to what they could achieve in the summer of 2008 ever since dealing Allen Iverson to Denver in December 2006.

Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.

i think we should make it a priority to make Zach the runner's up prize to whoever loses out on Brand. the Clippers, Warriors and/or Sixers all want Brand and Zach offers many of the same things, albeit with more baggage and less defense. Still, his contract is shorter and all these teams have the cap room to absorb ZBo without taking a luxury tax hit.

We could even trade ZBo to these teams for a lotto-protected first rounder because they all have cap room. Heck, I'd take a second rounder.
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7/8/2008  1:27 PM
Clipper should let Elton Walk and trade for Zach. Save money and still get a top notch power fwd to roll with Kaman. Makes more sense.
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7/8/2008  1:37 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Clipper should let Elton Walk and trade for Zach. Save money and still get a top notch power fwd to roll with Kaman. Makes more sense.

If Zach could ever demonstrate that he can play in a defined offense, he could be tradeable to the right team. Isiah really screwed the Knicks over by letting Zbo do whatever he pleased and thereby zeroed out his value. And Curries at the same time.
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7/8/2008  1:57 PM
Ok I'm a little hyped up about this as far as rebuilding the clippers.....

They really need to let Elton go. He wants max money long term. They don't wanna lock themselve into Brand. He's injury prone. It shouldn't be a question especially with him just rupturing his achillies tendon while coming back from knee surgery. Its just dumb to give this guy that commitment.

The trade idea is Zach for Tim Thomas and Mobley.

They get Zach who is still a talent to play with Kaman. Kaman isn't a ***** like Curry. They should mesh similiar to how Brand and Kaman did. They open room for Al thorton @ small fwd and eric gordon @ guard w/Baron Davis......after the Baron signing do they have money left? Could they just resign Corey Maggette?

They would be so better off doing exactly what I'm typing......

If this were to go down for the Knicks? I would immediate waive Q's punk ass with Jerome and convince Tim Thomas to let go the past and play for the Knicks again.....the same for Cuttino. Those guys can be flipped via trade easy like sunday morning. Plus they only have 2 seasons left on their deals

Awesome deal for both teams and I wish this would go down badly!
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7/8/2008  2:04 PM
I proposed a Zach to the loser of the Elton Brand sweepstakes trade about a week ago.. it would make sense on a lot of levels.

For the Warriors: Nellie has one more year and I'm sure he wants to make it a half-decent one by making the playoffs.
For the Clippers: They lose out on Brand and Maggette and they just signed BDiddy, so they need someone to pair with Baron.

I think the Clippers makes more sense than the Warriors. We'll see.
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7/8/2008  2:24 PM
The deal I mentioned is sweet. They just have to resign maggette. They would have a nice group there to compete for Mike Dunlevy sr.
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7/8/2008  2:55 PM
I'm pretty sure trading Randolph to one of the losers of the Brand sweepstakes is the plan.
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7/8/2008  3:17 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

I'm pretty sure trading Randolph to one of the losers of the Brand sweepstakes is the plan.

I would be totally pissed if it wasn't.

It makes sense that as soon as Brand makes a decision and Josh Smith signs his offer sheet that Zach would be in play. Hopefully that's the case cuz this is the Knicks chance.
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7/8/2008  6:13 PM
I think we have a better chance of selling Zach to the Clips or Philly than to GS.
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7/8/2008  6:15 PM
I agree, this makes great sense. The Clippers and Warriors and Philly all need a low-post scorer and are all trying to make playoff runs. Randolph for whatever contracts they have that expire before 2010 would be a pretty solid offer, especially for the Clippers who like to save money.

I hope Walsh can make this happen. This would allow Lee to start and for DG to get 25 solid minutes a game. Plus, it will free up Curry to operate on the low-block. Add an improved Chandler, more stable play at PG with Duhon, and this team could have a respectable season next year.
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7/8/2008  6:38 PM
I'm not opposed to this thinking, but we shouldnt panic. Listen, Randolph can ball, make no mistake. He's still in his prime and he doesnt have many years left on his deal. He will be moved eventually.

We shouldnt force ourselves into a bad move, and Walsh shouldnt feel as though he has to right the wayward Knick ship in 45 minutes. If a good deal isnt out there, we can just hold on to him, pad his stats --- and wait for a sucker, 'cause he's out there. That GM will show himself, at some point.

Not everybody can enter into the Lebron sweepstakes. Somebody out there can use a low-post stud still in his '20s. It will go down. No Reggie Evans deals.
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7/8/2008  9:05 PM
Or how about this?

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7/8/2008  9:15 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3479059

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers9-2008jul09,0,7626268.story

Brand heading to the 76ers (verbal agreement)




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7/8/2008  9:16 PM
What a swerve. Sixers will be a force to reckoned with now.
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[quote]
Posted by chislic:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3479059

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers9-2008jul09,0,7626268.story

Brand heading to the 76ers (verbal agreement)




Philidelphia is frikin loaded--look at that interior defense. The nets are going to try and win 15 games but I dont see us in the same stratosphere as Toronto Boston and Philly. The way things are shaping up I dont see us even coming close to a playoff spot.
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Posted by crzymdups:
Sixers getting in position to lure Brand from West Coast

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
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Updated: July 8, 2008, 11:00 AM ET

It suddenly appears that the biggest threat to the Los Angeles Clippers re-signing franchise forward Elton Brand can be found far east of Oakland.

NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com on Monday night that the Philadelphia 76ers are again "actively involved" in the Brand hunt -- and now a very serious threat to tempt him away from L.A. -- after initially fearing that they couldn't compete financially with the Clippers and Golden State Warriors.

Elton Brand

Brand

In the face of a longstanding leaguewide consensus that Brand would return to Hollywood to form a new partnership with Clipper-to-be Baron Davis, sources say that the Sixers are growing increasingly confident in their ability to create additional salary-cap space by trading away swingman Rodney Carney and center Calvin Booth, setting them up to make a sufficiently rich offer Brand would struggle to refuse.

Dealing away Carney and Booth -- with Minnesota and Memphis quickly emerging as possible destinations -- would shed nearly $3 million from the Sixers' payroll next season as long as the trade doesn't require new GM Ed Stefanski to take any salary back.

Multiple front-office sources said late Monday that the Sixers are closing in on a deal with the Timberwolves in which the Wolves would absorb the contracts of both Carney and Booth by using the $2.8 million remaining from a trade exception created by Minnesota's trade of Mark Blount to Miami last October and a separate minimum player exception. It was not immediately known what financial and/or draft considerations might be included in the trade from either side.

The Sixers are already expecting to have at least $11 million in salary-cap space to spend when the league announces next season's cap figure to all 30 teams Tuesday night. Depending on how closely the cap ceiling for the 2008-09 season comes to the widely projected estimate of $58-to-59 million -- and if the Sixers can finalize a trade to part with Carney and Booth -- it's conceivable that Philadelphia could possess the financial flexibility to start a five-year offer to Brand at a first-year salary in the $15 million range.

With much of the league's other significant free-agent business seemingly on hold while the Brand saga plays out, sources maintain that the Sixers also remain highly interested in Atlanta Hawks restricted free agent Josh Smith. Yet it appears that Philadelphia will give itself every opportunity to emerge as the unlikely winner of the Brand sweepstakes before deciding whether to sign Smith to an offer sheet that the Hawks would have seven days to match.

If Philadelphia can indeed manufacture a first-year salary of at least $15 million, that could exceed what can be offered by the Clippers, who must balance their obvious No. 1 priority -- retaining Brand -- with the cap space they'll need to formally sign Davis to the five-year, $65 million deal which the former Golden State point guard verbally agreed to last week.

It's possible that the Warriors, depending on where the cap is set, could still outbid both L.A. and Philadelphia for Brand thanks to Davis' defection. If next season's salary cap is announced at $59 million or thereabouts, as expected, Golden State should have the wherewithal to offer Brand a five-year deal worth just over $95 million.

Sources close to the process told ESPN.com on Monday that the Warriors continue to have dialogue with the Brand camp and have not abandoned hope of luring the 29-year-old to Northern California.

Yet separate sources suggested Monday that Brand -- if he's ultimately drawn away from his Face of the Franchise status with the Clippers -- would be more inclined to jump to Philadelphia than to Golden State, given the Sixers' residence in a conference with far fewer contenders than the West and the opportunity to join an emerging Philly nucleus (Andre Miller, Andre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young and the considerable wingspan of center Samuel Dalembert) that won many admirers as last season progressed.

It's believed that the Clippers can still assemble a five-year offer to Brand worth $80-to-85 million and give Davis his estimated $65 million over five years by simply renouncing their rights to free agents Corey Maggette and Shaun Livingston, renouncing several other free agents with modest salaries (Quinton Ross, Nick Fazekas, Marcus Williams, Paul Davis, Dan Dickau, Boniface N'Dong, James Singleton and Smush Parker) and perhaps waiving forward Josh Powell.

The Clippers also have the ability, as ESPN.com reported Monday, to put Brand on a very short list with Staples Center co-tenant Kobe Bryant as the only players in the league with an active no-trade clause in their contracts. A player must have at least eight seasons of service time, including four with his current team, to be eligible for a no-trade clause in the NBA. The player must also be entering into a new contract as opposed to merely extending a previous contract.

Provided that Clippers owner Donald Sterling responds to Philly's late charge by doing all he can financially to keep the two-time All-Star, it will be recorded as one of the bigger free-agent surprises in recent memory should Brand elect to leave behind his well-chronicled love of Hollywood and one-of-a-kind pride in being a Clipper to head back to the Eastern Conference for the first time since the Chicago Bulls traded him to the Clippers on draft night in 2001.

That's largely because Brand and agent David Falk, in announcing Brand's unexpected decision to opt out of the final season of his previous contract to become an unrestricted free agent, last week explained the forfeiture of next season's $16.4 million by saying that they hoped to give L.A. more payroll flexibility to strengthen the team around Brand.

Brand told ESPN.com on June 30 that his "intention is to stay" with the Clippers, while Falk spoke optimistically of Brand signing a deal to "finish his career with the Clippers" if the team could make another significant personnel acquisition or two. On the first day of free agency, L.A. reached a verbal agreement with Davis in what easily ranks as the biggest free-agent coup in Clippers history. ESPN.com reported two days later that Davis was the player Brand specifically asked Clippers management to chase in June.

But Clippers officials, already said to be privately shaken by Golden State's substantial offer to Brand, will have much more serious cause for concern if the Sixers can shed a salary or two this week to increase their available cap space.

Sources said that Carney going to Memphis would be a possibility because the Grizzlies have ample cap room of their own to absorb Carney as well as a natural interest in a player likely to have some gate appeal after experiencing collegiate success at Memphis.

But a deal with Minnesota would obviously be preferable for the Sixers, enabling them to shed two contracts and then immediately throw a megadeal at Brand after pointing to what they could achieve in the summer of 2008 ever since dealing Allen Iverson to Denver in December 2006.

Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.

i think we should make it a priority to make Zach the runner's up prize to whoever loses out on Brand. the Clippers, Warriors and/or Sixers all want Brand and Zach offers many of the same things, albeit with more baggage and less defense. Still, his contract is shorter and all these teams have the cap room to absorb ZBo without taking a luxury tax hit.

We could even trade ZBo to these teams for a lotto-protected first rounder because they all have cap room. Heck, I'd take a second rounder.

I'd love to take a first rounder, but please no Tim Thomas.
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7/8/2008  9:26 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]
Posted by chislic:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3479059

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers9-2008jul09,0,7626268.story

Brand heading to the 76ers (verbal agreement)




Philidelphia is frikin loaded--look at that interior defense. The nets are going to try and win 15 games but I dont see us in the same stratosphere as Toronto Boston and Philly. The way things are shaping up I dont see us even coming close to a playoff spot.

Zach to the Clippers now!!!
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7/8/2008  9:27 PM
If the Sixers get Brand, and the Warriors get Maggette, the Clippers will be awful. (Unless the Clippers have their eye on someone great that none of us know about.)

oohah

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7/8/2008  9:30 PM
Posted by chislic:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3479059

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers9-2008jul09,0,7626268.story

Brand heading to the 76ers (verbal agreement)


Nice! See Philly needs Elton Brand. Their styles are more suited for each other. Awesome for the league if this is true.

Not here's hoping Zach gets shipped to the clipps!
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7/8/2008  9:41 PM
I hate to say it, but a ZBo for Fugazy deal gets us out of the ZBo contract & Fugazy's contract is 2 years. And while I don't like Fugazy, he has done well in Dantoni's system.
Sixers have a better chance at Brand than Warriors? We should offer Zach to whoever loses on Brand.

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