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EnySpree
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7/5/2008  10:33 AM
Knicks got a coach....and lets face it...he's a good one. Don't like the defensive rep all you want. Everyone respects the dudes coaching ability on offense.

Gallinari has already been dragged through the coals of debate but he can be the outside shooting big man with point guard skills we all wanted forever. He has professional experience and had personal success @ the age of 19 which is impressive.

There's enough threads on Duhon. Bottom line with him is smarts, professionalism, savy, and respect for the game. That's what Duhon represents and what he brings to the basketball court. Haven't we been praying for that since, again, forever? We got it in duhon.

Now is this the plan? To bring in young guys that "got it"? Not necissarily the break out star but a dude that can flat out play the game of basketball?

So what's next?
For most of us Knick fans it has to be a shotblocker. where should we be looking? What type of background should he have? Who is available that fits our needs?

Aside from a shotblocker, what else do the Knicks need to target?
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7/5/2008  10:44 AM
I don't know. He already continued the wasting of the MLE on a player we don't need to suit a role we already have players to fill.

I think he's got two big tasks this summer.

1) Trade Zach. Just reverse the trade. Get back 2010s or less. I dont care who comes back. Let the other team believe they ripped us off in a trade. Just get rid of this guy.

2) Settle the Marbury situation. Either buy him out or turn him loose on the court for his final season and let him walk at the end of the year.

Those are the two big ones.

Two other smaller tasks that need addressing:

1) Malik Rose. Enough already he can't help us and I think it'd be the right thing to let him go sit on a bench somewhere that he might be useful as a voice. Dallas, SA, Lakers, Detroit, Boston - all come to mind for him. Buy him out.

2) Jerome James. He doesn't bother anything but he's useless. Just buy him out.


If all of that took place it'd be a very VERY successful start to the Walsh campaign.

Then during next season you let the Craw-Curry show shine again and dangle both in trade while they look good again.

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7/5/2008  10:45 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Aside from a shotblocker, what else do the Knicks need to target?
What do you think about going after someone like Artest? I know he says he likes Califonia but if his paycheck as enough zero's, he will move to NYC. He will by himself makes us a very good defensive team. He will gives us a bit of scoring along with Zach and Crawford. We need that type of an impact player.
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7/5/2008  10:52 AM
walsh does not want a re-do with Artest so thats off the table or it would have been done: Lee for Artest plus filler.
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7/5/2008  11:16 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

I don't know. He already continued the wasting of the MLE on a player we don't need to suit a role we already have players to fill.

I think he's got two big tasks this summer.

1) Trade Zach. Just reverse the trade. Get back 2010s or less. I dont care who comes back. Let the other team believe they ripped us off in a trade. Just get rid of this guy.

2) Settle the Marbury situation. Either buy him out or turn him loose on the court for his final season and let him walk at the end of the year.

Those are the two big ones.

Two other smaller tasks that need addressing:

1) Malik Rose. Enough already he can't help us and I think it'd be the right thing to let him go sit on a bench somewhere that he might be useful as a voice. Dallas, SA, Lakers, Detroit, Boston - all come to mind for him. Buy him out.

2) Jerome James. He doesn't bother anything but he's useless. Just buy him out.


If all of that took place it'd be a very VERY successful start to the Walsh campaign.

Then during next season you let the Craw-Curry show shine again and dangle both in trade while they look good again.

Agreed with all except the first line.
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7/5/2008  11:36 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Knicks got a coach....and lets face it...he's a good one. Don't like the defensive rep all you want. Everyone respects the dudes coaching ability on offense.

Gallinari has already been dragged through the coals of debate but he can be the outside shooting big man with point guard skills we all wanted forever. He has professional experience and had personal success @ the age of 19 which is impressive.

There's enough threads on Duhon. Bottom line with him is smarts, professionalism, savy, and respect for the game. That's what Duhon represents and what he brings to the basketball court. Haven't we been praying for that since, again, forever? We got it in duhon.

Now is this the plan? To bring in young guys that "got it"? Not necissarily the break out star but a dude that can flat out play the game of basketball?

So what's next?
For most of us Knick fans it has to be a shotblocker. where should we be looking? What type of background should he have? Who is available that fits our needs?


Aside from a shotblocker, what else do the Knicks need to target?

When there are no players who blow you away as break out stars then I think its very smart to add players that "got it" and know how to play the game.

Thats basically how Celtics, Lakers, & Spurs are built. A break out star and a bunch of guys that know how to play the game. Then after the core is built, on the back end of your roster you could add the freaks with potential who need time to develop.
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7/5/2008  11:45 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by EnySpree:

Aside from a shotblocker, what else do the Knicks need to target?
What do you think about going after someone like Artest? I know he says he likes Califonia but if his paycheck as enough zero's, he will move to NYC. He will by himself makes us a very good defensive team. He will gives us a bit of scoring along with Zach and Crawford. We need that type of an impact player.

Knicks need the impact player, but I think we are gonna devote the time @ the 3 to Gallo. They estabished the time frame for us which is 2010. That's 3 seasons.....this guy Gallo could be putting up similiar Artest numbers like 18pts, 6 rebs, 3 asts with decent percentages by then. Going for Artest requires some years cuz the due isn't gonna sign a 2 year deal like Duhon.

I think it is interesting to see what the next move is. Things seem calculated. I feel they are fixed into this 2010 plan and will gradually set the table for a move when the time comes.
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7/5/2008  12:14 PM
What about a shooter? There is a thread here about Allan Houston.....what about a guy that was compared to him coming into the league like Jarvis Hayes? He'll be cheap. James Jones was talked about on the boards too. Knicks need guys that can knock down shots. It doesn't have to be @ a 50% clip.....just at least a guy that will knock down the open look. Knicks need a "oh no!" guy. The Knicks don't have anyone on their team that strikes fear in anyone from the outside except Nate.
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7/5/2008  12:25 PM
The next step is subtraction. How do you get rid of Zach, and what is the decision on Marbury (buyout, trade, sit on IR for the whole year?)
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7/5/2008  1:49 PM
Posted by VDesai:

The next step is subtraction. How do you get rid of Zach, and what is the decision on Marbury (buyout, trade, sit on IR for the whole year?)

Zach is definately a priority. Clevland doesn't have anyone signed past 2010.....they might have their own scheme to re-up Lebron astronomically or just plug in some other players to replace Lebron @ that time.......

Playoff teams have to be the obvious target for a player like Zach. A lot of teams could use him.....but who could we use from those teams?

So with that thought in mind, who should target when looking to trade Zach? Example: sacramento......they could say zach and artest could make a nice 4-3 tandem with Kevin Martin and Beno. Do the Knicks pin point a guy like Francisco garcia to add to the 2010 plan?

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7/5/2008  2:06 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by VDesai:

The next step is subtraction. How do you get rid of Zach, and what is the decision on Marbury (buyout, trade, sit on IR for the whole year?)

Zach is definately a priority. Clevland doesn't have anyone signed past 2010.....they might have their own scheme to re-up Lebron astronomically or just plug in some other players to replace Lebron @ that time.......

Playoff teams have to be the obvious target for a player like Zach. A lot of teams could use him.....but who could we use from those teams?

So with that thought in mind, who should target when looking to trade Zach? Example: sacramento......they could say zach and artest could make a nice 4-3 tandem with Kevin Martin and Beno. Do the Knicks pin point a guy like Francisco garcia to add to the 2010 plan?

What about Dallas? Zach for Dampier works under the cap straight up and Damps runs one season less. It's a big talent downgrade, but Damp can block shots and rebound. We could use him a bit.
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7/5/2008  2:50 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by VDesai:

The next step is subtraction. How do you get rid of Zach, and what is the decision on Marbury (buyout, trade, sit on IR for the whole year?)

Zach is definately a priority. Clevland doesn't have anyone signed past 2010.....they might have their own scheme to re-up Lebron astronomically or just plug in some other players to replace Lebron @ that time.......

Playoff teams have to be the obvious target for a player like Zach. A lot of teams could use him.....but who could we use from those teams?

So with that thought in mind, who should target when looking to trade Zach? Example: sacramento......they could say zach and artest could make a nice 4-3 tandem with Kevin Martin and Beno. Do the Knicks pin point a guy like Francisco garcia to add to the 2010 plan?

What about Dallas? Zach for Dampier works under the cap straight up and Damps runs one season less. It's a big talent downgrade, but Damp can block shots and rebound. We could use him a bit.

We should get something more than Dampier for Zach, especially since Dallas can use a low post scorer.
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7/5/2008  2:51 PM
While I don't see this happening, what I'd love to see the Knicks obtain is a capable starting two. We really haven't had a good shooting guard since Allan Houston got hurt. I have no specific suggestions about how to go about this.
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7/5/2008  3:00 PM
VDesai - dampier is a nice option. They just re-signed Diop. Maybe they wanna add the scorer/rebounder to help Dirk......Cuban is an ass though. His team is completely screwed structure wise. It makes some sense to get Zach but where would Dirk play? The 3? It could work. They could even try to take advantage of Dirks size and mobility @ center. Like I said Cuban is an ass......they are the best worst run team in the league.
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7/5/2008  3:05 PM
Eny- I think they could get away with Zach/Dirk at the 4-5 sometimes and bring in Diop or some other center for rebounding/defense. To me Dallas would be the type of team that would be willing to bring on a player like Zach because they are close to contending, are willing to take on money and are willing to bring on players that have had reps like Zach's (i.e. Stackhouse, Walker etc.).

I'm not sure we could ever really get anything better than Dampier for Zach. If we can get a rotational player and save a year of Zach's deal that is something we should try to do.
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7/5/2008  7:37 PM
we need a freakin' shotblocker for the 10,987,765th time.
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7/5/2008  7:48 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

I don't know. He already continued the wasting of the MLE on a player we don't need to suit a role we already have players to fill.

I think he's got two big tasks this summer.

1) Trade Zach. Just reverse the trade. Get back 2010s or less. I dont care who comes back. Let the other team believe they ripped us off in a trade. Just get rid of this guy.

2) Settle the Marbury situation. Either buy him out or turn him loose on the court for his final season and let him walk at the end of the year.

Those are the two big ones.

Two other smaller tasks that need addressing:

1) Malik Rose. Enough already he can't help us and I think it'd be the right thing to let him go sit on a bench somewhere that he might be useful as a voice. Dallas, SA, Lakers, Detroit, Boston - all come to mind for him. Buy him out.

2) Jerome James. He doesn't bother anything but he's useless. Just buy him out.


If all of that took place it'd be a very VERY successful start to the Walsh campaign.

Then during next season you let the Craw-Curry show shine again and dangle both in trade while they look good again.

Diasagree with Malik Rose... you save his contract until the deadline. You're absolutely correct on the financial aspect of the Duhon signing. We wasted the MLE on one player. Extremely stupid!
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7/5/2008  7:55 PM
IMO, moving Zach does not need to be a big priority. His value can only go up as his salary remaining goes down. As long as you move him before 2010, he can be fine. I have said it before and I will repeat myself, in the D'antoni offense, he actually makes a very good center.

But, the Knicks target really needs to be a lockdown perimeter defender/shooter. Artest would be great, but I understand the sentiment that Walsh is done with him. Granger would be a good thought. Hughes might work. If Balkman could learn to shoot, he might work. Chandler might be able to develop into that player.

The roster needs a makeover, but it doesn't all have to happen this summer.

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7/5/2008  7:58 PM
I think there'll be a protracted sign and trade deal with the Warriors for Monte Ellis, if the Warriors don't get Brand, which they most likely wont.
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7/6/2008  2:05 AM
Along that line, how about Crawford, Lee and Malik Rose for Al Harrington and a re-signed Monta Ellis? Harrington's contract is for 1 year less than Craws.



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