[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Cap space sucks
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 1 of 2  1  2 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
GKFv2
Posts: 26752
Alba Posts: 114
Joined: 1/16/2007
Member: #1259
USA
7/2/2008  2:54 PM
Elton Brand and Baron Davis teaming up with Chris Kaman and Al Thornton for the Clippers. They turned around their franchise with one signing.

Cap space is overrated.
Thank you, Rick Brunson.
AUTOADVERT
NYK3
Posts: 23572
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 7/30/2004
Member: #725
USA
7/2/2008  2:56 PM
NOT SO FAST, GS has offered Brand a 5yr 90 mil contract
I wasn't born with enough middle fingers!!!
sebstar
Posts: 25698
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 6/2/2002
Member: #249
USA
7/2/2008  2:58 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Elton Brand and Baron Davis teaming up with Chris Kaman and Al Thornton for the Clippers. They turned around their franchise with one signing.

Cap space is overrated.

Even if they do keep that squad intact--- is that a championship squad to you? And would you be satisfied with years of ineptitude just for the privilege of signing a Baron Davis?
My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets. --Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
GKFv2
Posts: 26752
Alba Posts: 114
Joined: 1/16/2007
Member: #1259
USA
7/2/2008  3:00 PM
The point is the Clippers - the CLIPPERS - were able to sign someone with the cap space they had. Davis is the best available free agent out there. Who knows who will be the best available in 2010? But it's better to have that cap space than to to not have it bcause you never know what could happen.
Thank you, Rick Brunson.
sebstar
Posts: 25698
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 6/2/2002
Member: #249
USA
7/2/2008  3:06 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

The point is the Clippers - the CLIPPERS - were able to sign someone with the cap space they had. Davis is the best available free agent out there. Who knows who will be the best available in 2010? But it's better to have that cap space than to to not have it bcause you never know what could happen.

Didnt answer the question. This is usual the result of "cap space", the Baron Davis' of the world. No hate, Baron's a baller, but the idea of cap space is fairly overrated. Especially considering the hell organizations and fanbases have to go through in order to accomplish such a goal.

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-02-2008 3:07 PM]

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-02-2008 3:37 PM]
My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets. --Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
GKFv2
Posts: 26752
Alba Posts: 114
Joined: 1/16/2007
Member: #1259
USA
7/2/2008  3:14 PM
That's not the usual result of cap space. Didn't Shaq go to LA due to cap space? If Grant Hill didn't become an injury-plagued player, Orlando's signing of him and T-Mac could have gotten them a title. That's just some examples. Theres many more.

We've already been through hell buddy and we're going to suck regardless of what happens in the next 2 years. Having a goal and building towards a goal is the reason why fans root for their teams. To watch a rudderless ship isn't as fun. The Knicks have that 2010 goal and if they can get that cap space, they can sign anyone they please. It's New York and it's a lot of money. Baron Davis was the best FA on the market and he took a paycheck from one of the lousiest teams in the league historically. LeBron and others will be free agents in 2010. I can't predict the future but I can say it's smarter to have cap space than to not have any at all.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 07-02-2008 3:15 PM]
Thank you, Rick Brunson.
sebstar
Posts: 25698
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 6/2/2002
Member: #249
USA
7/2/2008  3:22 PM
The Shaq signing was 12 years ago and it was before the collective bargaining agreement of '99

My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets. --Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
jaydh
Posts: 23155
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 8/16/2001
Member: #96
7/2/2008  3:28 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

That's not the usual result of cap space. Didn't Shaq go to LA due to cap space?

No, there was no cap yet when he went to LA; we put in a big offer on Shaq.

Obviously its an asset to have salary cap space. But, in 2010 do I think we are getting Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, or Bosh? Nope.
Nalod
Posts: 72114
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
7/2/2008  3:43 PM
Cap space allows you to trade for a player with a bigger contract than your sending out.

If you got space, you could trade Camby for David Lee if you want to make a run THIS year.

If you got space you can sign and trade away players if you want value in return.

If you got space you can starphuch all you want.

If you got space you can go over to make valid run.

If you got space you have choices.

As for the Clips, Sterling wants to compete. A Brand-Kaman-Davis is 50 wins perhaps.
That might not win a championship, but its better than .500 and not making playoffs or selling seats. This is business, thats all.

We don't have space, nor an allstar piece to build around.

sebstar
Posts: 25698
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 6/2/2002
Member: #249
USA
7/2/2008  3:50 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Cap space allows you to trade for a player with a bigger contract than your sending out.

If you got space, you could trade Camby for David Lee if you want to make a run THIS year.

If you got space you can sign and trade away players if you want value in return.

If you got space you can starphuch all you want.

If you got space you can go over to make valid run.

If you got space you have choices.

As for the Clips, Sterling wants to compete. A Brand-Kaman-Davis is 50 wins perhaps.
That might not win a championship, but its better than .500 and not making playoffs or selling seats. This is business, thats all.

We don't have space, nor an allstar piece to build around.

Our mess of a roster has more to do with player mismanagement more than anything else. It just annoys me when people use the phrase "cap space" as if its the end-all-be-all magical elixir.

Its remarkably complicated and teams go years trying get under the cap for largely mixed results at best.

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-02-2008 3:51 PM]
My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets. --Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
Panos
Posts: 30571
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 1/6/2004
Member: #520
7/2/2008  4:42 PM
How we can have been over the cap by so much for so long without a single all-star for so many years is just incredible.
tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
7/2/2008  5:04 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

The point is the Clippers - the CLIPPERS - were able to sign someone with the cap space they had. Davis is the best available free agent out there. Who knows who will be the best available in 2010? But it's better to have that cap space than to to not have it bcause you never know what could happen.


The problem is not cap space, but the players. If the knicks had lebron and mayo, I doubt anyone would give a damn about cap space in 2010.. It is about making smart moves, drafting smart and yes cap space is nice, but flexibility is just as important.... Having cap space with Baron davis as the big prize is not that appealing..
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
SupremeCommander
Posts: 34075
Alba Posts: 35
Joined: 4/28/2006
Member: #1127
7/2/2008  5:09 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by GKFv2:

The point is the Clippers - the CLIPPERS - were able to sign someone with the cap space they had. Davis is the best available free agent out there. Who knows who will be the best available in 2010? But it's better to have that cap space than to to not have it bcause you never know what could happen.


The problem is not cap space, but the players. If the knicks had lebron and mayo, I doubt anyone would give a damn about cap space in 2010.. It is about making smart moves, drafting smart and yes cap space is nice, but flexibility is just as important.... Having cap space with Baron davis as the big prize is not that appealing..

The appeal to cap space is the options it generates. For this Clippers team, they needed a point and they got one of the best in the game, a veteran from LA, and someone who is tight with the face of the Clippers organization. Baron Davis was an outstanding addition for that team. Obviously the other elements of building a team have to fall into place for a team to be elite... that goes without saying. But it also goes without saying that financial flexibility helps towards that goal as well.
DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/2/2008  6:50 PM
we don't need any cap space as long as we have elite talent like Marbury & Zach taking up a third of the payroll... that's the type of 1-2 punch you can win championships with.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
7/2/2008  7:05 PM
Wasn't it the Bulls who used their cap space to sign Ben Wallace? That didn't turn out to be worth it in the end. With cap space you need good timing too. The 2010 crop is worth working towards.
4949
Posts: 29378
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/25/2006
Member: #1126
USA
7/2/2008  9:05 PM
Posted by TMS:

we don't need any cap space as long as we have elite talent like Marbury & Zach taking up a third of the payroll... that's the type of 1-2 punch you can win championships with.

Nice to know though, 20 plus mil will be off the books at the end of next season.

Well................. at least it will be 20 mil less that we'll have to deal with.
I'll never trust this' team again.
Solace
Posts: 30002
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
7/3/2008  8:35 AM
The fact that lowly teams like the Clippers can show what they can do with cap space... think what could be done in NY. It's really unreal.

Then again, the Knicks have had some great success with moves despite being over the cap. I mean, we did once steal Othella Harrington from the Grizzlies.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
Panos
Posts: 30571
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 1/6/2004
Member: #520
7/3/2008  8:58 AM
Here's the flip side of the cap space argument (of which I am a proponent, by the way). Check this out:
From the Orlando Sentinel, regarding Chris Duhon (I see david also posted this link in the comments area of the previous blog...good looking out, david).

Last night word got out that Duhon could be ready to make a decision as early as today and was deciding between the Knicks and Magic.

There was some thought that he was interested in the Knicks because of the opportunity to win a starting role. But after reading these quotes from Duhon's agent, Kevin Bradbury, it sounds like Duhon walked away from his meeting with the Knicks unimpressed with what they had to offer and not just because the Knicks put up just a two-year deal compared to three from the Magic.

"Chris wants to help a team win a championship, that's what Orlando is trying to do," Bradbury told the Sentinel. "That's different than a team looking to rebuild."

Another line from Bradbury that could be viewed as another vieled shot at the Knicks situation regarded the role Duhon would play as backup to Jameer Nelson. "Chris just wants a well-defined role," said Bradbury, who was nowhere near as talkative when members of the New York media contacted him over the past few days.

Perhaps an indication of Duhon's lack of interest in the Knicks and that the Knicks offered no clues to him about Stephon Marbury's future with the team.

So figuring Duhon is gone to Orlando, next up among guards of interest are Jannero Pargo, Roger Mason and Chris Quinn.

And before some of you in Fixer Nation start to boil about the self-imposed two-year restriction on offers, remind yourself that we're talking about Chris Duhon, Jannero Pargo, Roger Mason and Chris Quinn. These are nice players that could help, but no one that will make or break a franchise.

DUHON wants to go somewhere where he can help win a championship.
DUHON! This is a career backup choosing based on the quality of the rest of the team.
I hope this doesn't become a pattern when we gut this team and have cash to spend.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2008/07/curious_remarks_from_duhons_ag.html

[Edited by - panos on 07-03-2008 08:58 AM]
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
7/3/2008  9:00 AM
Posted by Panos:

Here's the flip side of the cap space argument (of which I am a proponent, by the way). Check this out:
From the Orlando Sentinel, regarding Chris Duhon (I see david also posted this link in the comments area of the previous blog...good looking out, david).

Last night word got out that Duhon could be ready to make a decision as early as today and was deciding between the Knicks and Magic.

There was some thought that he was interested in the Knicks because of the opportunity to win a starting role. But after reading these quotes from Duhon's agent, Kevin Bradbury, it sounds like Duhon walked away from his meeting with the Knicks unimpressed with what they had to offer and not just because the Knicks put up just a two-year deal compared to three from the Magic.

"Chris wants to help a team win a championship, that's what Orlando is trying to do," Bradbury told the Sentinel. "That's different than a team looking to rebuild."

Another line from Bradbury that could be viewed as another vieled shot at the Knicks situation regarded the role Duhon would play as backup to Jameer Nelson. "Chris just wants a well-defined role," said Bradbury, who was nowhere near as talkative when members of the New York media contacted him over the past few days.

Perhaps an indication of Duhon's lack of interest in the Knicks and that the Knicks offered no clues to him about Stephon Marbury's future with the team.

So figuring Duhon is gone to Orlando, next up among guards of interest are Jannero Pargo, Roger Mason and Chris Quinn.

And before some of you in Fixer Nation start to boil about the self-imposed two-year restriction on offers, remind yourself that we're talking about Chris Duhon, Jannero Pargo, Roger Mason and Chris Quinn. These are nice players that could help, but no one that will make or break a franchise.

DUHON wants to go somewhere where he can help win a championship.
DUHON! This is a career backup choosing based on the quality of the rest of the team.
I hope this doesn't become a pattern when we gut this team and have cash to spend.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2008/07/curious_remarks_from_duhons_ag.html

[Edited by - panos on 07-03-2008 08:58 AM]

I don't get it. What's the flip side when you don't need cap space to sign a player to part of your MLE?

Aren't the Magic in a better position to contend because they had the cap space to sign Rashard Lewis?

[Edited by - islesfan on 03-07-2008 09:02 AM]
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
Panos
Posts: 30571
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 1/6/2004
Member: #520
7/3/2008  9:01 AM
I'm saying this loser never-won-anything is saying he won't come to the Knicks because they suck. What will a top flight FA say?
Page 1 of 2  1  2 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Cap space sucks
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy