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If Knicks sign Duhan is Marbury baught out?
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7/1/2008  10:22 PM
Or do we keep him around for a year so that one of our enemies doesn't scoop him up

I wouldn't be surprised either way if he is kept or let go.. Personally i'd let him and Jerome James go immediately
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7/1/2008  10:26 PM
Who is Duhan? Baught?

I'm just teasing.

I personally would throw a party if he is waived.
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7/1/2008  10:26 PM
I don't think Larry would be that foolish. That would be overplaying his hand, and he would lose control of the Knicks.
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7/1/2008  10:27 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I don't think Larry would be that foolish. That would be overplaying his hand, and he would lose control of the Knicks.

LOL!
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7/1/2008  10:28 PM
Buying out Marbury is just plain dumb. It's wasting a $20M expiring contract. That has a lot of value and just throwing it away is pointless. At least keep him through the trading deadline.
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7/1/2008  10:29 PM
Alan Hahn seems to think Marbury won't be bought out if Duhon is in the fold, but I think that is some massive speculation from Mr. Hahn. We'll see, I hope he's wrong...
July 1, 2008
Udrih off the board

The Clippers tried, the Knicks probably had some interest, but Beno Udrih decided to stick with the team that gave him his shot and re-signed with the Sacramento Kings for the full mid-level.

So much for hearing Chris Russo screaming about Beanie YOO-drogh. And on that note I officially retire that joke.

Sigh.

Chris Duhon and the Knicks seem to be on a collision course, but Duhon will explore all options. In the end it'll be a decision between length of contract or opportunity. With the Knicks, Duhon may not get more than two years, but he'll get the chance to start, which is something he hasn't done consistently since his rookie year.

Of course there's a reason for that, right?

The Knicks have to get a point guard before they can decide what to do with Stephon Marbury. The plan could be to have Duhon "backup" Marbury but get a lot of minutes at the point when Steph slides to the two and Jamal Crawford moves to the three. Yes, that's a small lineup, but Mike D'Antoni often goes with unconventional lineups and can get away with it because of the up-tempo system.

Of course what's swept under the rug here is that Marbury would remain, which is a concern to the locker room as much as it is to the fan base. It's also a major concern to Nate Robinson, who, in this scenario, would be the odd-man out, it seems. Mardy Collins even more.

Stay tuned . . .

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Got word that Wilson Chandler recently was cleared for workouts and is expected to participate in the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas. The games begin July 11, but the Knicks first game isn't until the 14th...MSG Network will be there (as will your beloved blog host), so you will get all the 411 you need on Danilo Gallinari et al.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2008/07/udrih_off_the_board.html
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7/1/2008  10:32 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Marbury is just plain dumb. It's wasting a $20M expiring contract. That has a lot of value and just throwing it away is pointless. At least keep him through the trading deadline.

Yeah, so we can add more salary! Isles for GM!

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7/1/2008  10:34 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Marbury is just plain dumb. It's wasting a $20M expiring contract. That has a lot of value and just throwing it away is pointless. At least keep him through the trading deadline.

Yeah, so we can add more salary! Isles for GM!

Everything he says is important!

If it's salary that expires in 2010 and a draft pick comes along with it, why the hell not?

If you don't think that's important, I can't help you anymore.
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7/1/2008  10:37 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Marbury is just plain dumb. It's wasting a $20M expiring contract. That has a lot of value and just throwing it away is pointless. At least keep him through the trading deadline.

Yeah, so we can add more salary! Isles for GM!

Everything he says is important!

If it's salary that expires in 2010 and a draft pick comes along with it, why the hell not?

If you don't think that's important, I can't help you anymore.

there can't be that many contracts that run one year longer than marbury's for that kind of money. jermaine oneal was one i was hoping we'd target, but that seems to be bust now.
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7/1/2008  10:37 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Marbury is just plain dumb. It's wasting a $20M expiring contract. That has a lot of value and just throwing it away is pointless. At least keep him through the trading deadline.

Yeah, so we can add more salary! Isles for GM!

Everything he says is important!

If it's salary that expires in 2010 and a draft pick comes along with it, why the hell not?

If you don't think that's important, I can't help you anymore.

Who in their right mind will trade a draft pick for Marbury? As far as I know, the 2009 free agent class isn't that important for a team to get rid of one year of salary for Marbury of all people. And to deal a draft pick? There's no Isiahs around the league. There was only one Isiah and he no longer has a job.
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7/1/2008  10:37 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Marbury is just plain dumb. It's wasting a $20M expiring contract. That has a lot of value and just throwing it away is pointless. At least keep him through the trading deadline.

I agree with this keep Marbury around but keep him away from the team. I remember when the Knicks tried to get Raheed Wallace but they didn't have enough expiring contracts available because Isiah the idiot was to busy buying people out before the season started. If he had kept a expiring contract he might have been able to get Wallace instead he lost out to his buddy Dumars.

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7/1/2008  10:38 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Marbury is just plain dumb. It's wasting a $20M expiring contract. That has a lot of value and just throwing it away is pointless. At least keep him through the trading deadline.

I agree with this keep Marbury around but keep him away from the team. I remember when the Knicks tried to get Raheed Wallace but they didn't have enough expiring contracts available because Isiah the idiot was to busy buying people out before the season started. If he had kept a expiring contract he might have been able to get Wallace instead he lost out to his buddy Dumars.

Yes, because Rasheed Wallace would have made us a playoff team...
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7/1/2008  10:40 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Marbury is just plain dumb. It's wasting a $20M expiring contract. That has a lot of value and just throwing it away is pointless. At least keep him through the trading deadline.

Yeah, so we can add more salary! Isles for GM!

Everything he says is important!

If it's salary that expires in 2010 and a draft pick comes along with it, why the hell not?

If you don't think that's important, I can't help you anymore.

Who in their right mind will trade a draft pick for Marbury? As far as I know, the 2009 free agent class isn't that important for a team to get rid of one year of salary for Marbury of all people. And to deal a draft pick? There's no Isiahs around the league. There was only one Isiah and he no longer has a job.

New Orleans traded away their first rd pick for $3M in cash. If a team can free up $20M in cash after next year to either sign free agents, sign their own pending free agents or get our of luxury tax, they will.
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7/1/2008  10:45 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Marbury is just plain dumb. It's wasting a $20M expiring contract. That has a lot of value and just throwing it away is pointless. At least keep him through the trading deadline.

Yeah, so we can add more salary! Isles for GM!

Everything he says is important!

If it's salary that expires in 2010 and a draft pick comes along with it, why the hell not?

If you don't think that's important, I can't help you anymore.

Who in their right mind will trade a draft pick for Marbury? As far as I know, the 2009 free agent class isn't that important for a team to get rid of one year of salary for Marbury of all people. And to deal a draft pick? There's no Isiahs around the league. There was only one Isiah and he no longer has a job.

New Orleans traded away their first rd pick for $3M in cash. If a team can free up $20M in cash after next year to either sign free agents, sign their own pending free agents or get our of luxury tax, they will.

There is no team that will do such a deal any way you slice it. You cut your losses now and get rid of another cancer from the team. We don't need contaminating any other players we bring in here now. It's time for all the cancers to be shown the door one by one. Nobody is dealing for Stephon Marbury unless you take back long-term junk in return and I would prefer he is waived.
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7/1/2008  10:46 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Marbury is just plain dumb. It's wasting a $20M expiring contract. That has a lot of value and just throwing it away is pointless. At least keep him through the trading deadline.

I agree with this keep Marbury around but keep him away from the team. I remember when the Knicks tried to get Raheed Wallace but they didn't have enough expiring contracts available because Isiah the idiot was to busy buying people out before the season started. If he had kept a expiring contract he might have been able to get Wallace instead he lost out to his buddy Dumars.

Yes, because Rasheed Wallace would have made us a playoff team...

Rasheed was necessary at that point in time for the Knicks it would have sent the Knicks in a different direction. They made the playoffs that year without Rasheed might have help to not get embarrased by the Nets.

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7/1/2008  10:50 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Marbury is just plain dumb. It's wasting a $20M expiring contract. That has a lot of value and just throwing it away is pointless. At least keep him through the trading deadline.

I agree with this keep Marbury around but keep him away from the team. I remember when the Knicks tried to get Raheed Wallace but they didn't have enough expiring contracts available because Isiah the idiot was to busy buying people out before the season started. If he had kept a expiring contract he might have been able to get Wallace instead he lost out to his buddy Dumars.

Yes, because Rasheed Wallace would have made us a playoff team...

Rasheed was necessary at that point in time for the Knicks it would have sent the Knicks in a different direction. They made the playoffs that year without Rasheed might have help to not get embarrased by the Nets.

Isiah was hired mid-season, he tried to acquire Sheed in his first year. New York would have had a good shot at him if Danny Ainge hadn't stepped in and facilitated his being traded to Detroit by taking on $5M in salary just to f@ck the Knicks.
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7/1/2008  10:52 PM
i just went through the salary pages at hoopshype to see if there were any big contracts ending in 2010 that might possibly be trade bait. other than the obvious guys who are expiring that no team would ever want to be rid of early: Lebron, Wade, Melo, Amare, etc, there was hardly anyone.

There was one name that matched in salary who might be traded early so his team could rebuild with cap room: Tracy McGrady. To which I say: hell no, please waive Marbury immediately.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 01-07-2008 10:52 PM]
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7/1/2008  10:55 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:

Buying out Marbury is just plain dumb. It's wasting a $20M expiring contract. That has a lot of value and just throwing it away is pointless. At least keep him through the trading deadline.

I agree with this keep Marbury around but keep him away from the team. I remember when the Knicks tried to get Raheed Wallace but they didn't have enough expiring contracts available because Isiah the idiot was to busy buying people out before the season started. If he had kept a expiring contract he might have been able to get Wallace instead he lost out to his buddy Dumars.

Yes, because Rasheed Wallace would have made us a playoff team...

Rasheed was necessary at that point in time for the Knicks it would have sent the Knicks in a different direction. They made the playoffs that year without Rasheed might have help to not get embarrased by the Nets.

Isiah was hired mid-season, he tried to acquire Sheed in his first year. New York would have had a good shot at him if Danny Ainge hadn't stepped in and facilitated his being traded to Detroit by taking on $5M in salary just to f@ck the Knicks.


Guess what the first thing Isiah did was buy out an expiring contract. That could have landed Wallace from the Hawks I think that expiring contract was Travis Knight not sure.


[Edited by - Vmart on 07-01-2008 10:55 PM]

[Edited by - Vmart on 07-01-2008 10:56 PM]
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7/1/2008  10:56 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

i just went through the salary pages at hoopshype to see if there were any big contracts ending in 2010 that might possibly be trade bait. other than the obvious guys who are expiring that no team would ever want to be rid of early: Lebron, Wade, Melo, Amare, etc, there was hardly anyone.

There was one name that matched in salary who might be traded early so his team could rebuild with cap room: Tracy McGrady. To which I say: hell no, please waive Marbury immediately.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 01-07-2008 10:52 PM]

For anyone else who wants to look at it.

http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents/2010/

Crzy is right though, theres no one else on there that could be traded for Marbury and still end in 2010. Let's cut him now.
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7/1/2008  10:59 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

i just went through the salary pages at hoopshype to see if there were any big contracts ending in 2010 that might possibly be trade bait. other than the obvious guys who are expiring that no team would ever want to be rid of early: Lebron, Wade, Melo, Amare, etc, there was hardly anyone.

There was one name that matched in salary who might be traded early so his team could rebuild with cap room: Tracy McGrady. To which I say: hell no, please waive Marbury immediately.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 01-07-2008 10:52 PM]

Did you look for a single contract that was equal to Marbury's or did you look for combination of contracts that total close to what Marbury's deal is?

For example, Chicago could trade Hinrich and Larry Hughes for Marbury. Hughes expires in 2010 and the Knicks could obviously use Hinrich and he has a manageable contract.
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