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6/28/2008  10:58 AM
With the Bobcats recent denial of Lee/Felton

Supposedly the Grizz rejecting Knicks offer for Lee

What is Lee's value at this point since we have publicly stated he doesn't fit D'Antonio Davis' system?
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6/28/2008  12:30 PM
I heard from a little birdie that Lee's agent asked him if he wanted to go to Charlotte and it seemed like the deal was nearly done.

What is the whole deal? That's a little trickier.

Lee for Felton doesn't work straight up

There aren't many scenarios that work. Could we be getting Wallace and giving up on the cap idea already?
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6/28/2008  12:31 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

With the Bobcats recent denial of Lee/Felton

Supposedly the Grizz rejecting Knicks offer for Lee

What is Lee's value at this point since we have publicly stated he doesn't fit D'Antonio Davis' system?

yeah, because every time someone denies something in the media, you should believe it.
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6/28/2008  12:38 PM
i do think that his name being out there so publicly has hurt his value. but i think felton is fair value. hinrich might be a reach, but maybe with malik for the bulls to cut cap, but then we don't cut cap.

i've said it before, but two deals i pursue for lee are:

lowry + warrick/darrell arthur for lee (memphis has mayo and needs to clear out a pg. darrell arthur replaces lee for us, but lee is an upgrade over arthur for the grizz who have made it clear they want a little vet leadership)

and

wilcox + earl watson/ridnour for lee + malik (wilcox and malik both expire, but we can take a flier on wilcox and see if his toughness fits the team, seattle hates wilcox and don't need one of the watson/ridnour pair - allow d'antoni to pick his guy from the two)
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6/28/2008  12:57 PM
I'm glad the bobcats rejected the deal. Felton sucks.
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6/28/2008  1:03 PM
Posted by Vmart:

I'm glad the bobcats rejected the deal. Felton sucks.

who says they rejected it?
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6/28/2008  1:07 PM
i actually like felton a lot and if this deal is there, i'd still pursue it.

14ppg 7apg and he was played off the ball quite a bit. last year after the all-star break he played more at PG and averaged 15.5ppg and 8.3apg. in april he was at 16.8ppg and 9.6apg.
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6/28/2008  1:19 PM
Posted by Vmart:

I'm glad the bobcats rejected the deal. Felton sucks.

Felton is better than anyone we have.
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6/28/2008  1:25 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Vmart:

I'm glad the bobcats rejected the deal. Felton sucks.

Felton is better than anyone we have.

don't mean we should want him.
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6/28/2008  1:33 PM
Lee is what he is, a double double machine that cant shoot or defend. I think we can get a player like Felton if possible, but I also think its important to get rid of either Zach or Lee so that Gallinari can get the minutes he needs to develop. What I DONT want to happen this season is for Gallinari to ride the bench for 40 minutes a game while Zach and Lee have a pissing match for PT.
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6/28/2008  1:33 PM
Felton for Lee is a very good trade for us. Felton is miles better than Bayless.
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6/28/2008  1:35 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

i actually like felton a lot and if this deal is there, i'd still pursue it.

14ppg 7apg and he was played off the ball quite a bit. last year after the all-star break he played more at PG and averaged 15.5ppg and 8.3apg. in april he was at 16.8ppg and 9.6apg.

This guy is more offensively challenged than Lee. Your pointing out these number but they have very little meaning. You want the most improtant numbers on Felton just look at his FG% its .396 for his career. He shot 41% from the floor. This guys numbers are a product of playing on a bad team.

I am totally opposed to a deal for Raymond Felton, this guy is one of the worst pgs in the game.

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6/28/2008  1:55 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by crzymdups:

i actually like felton a lot and if this deal is there, i'd still pursue it.

14ppg 7apg and he was played off the ball quite a bit. last year after the all-star break he played more at PG and averaged 15.5ppg and 8.3apg. in april he was at 16.8ppg and 9.6apg.

This guy is more offensively challenged than Lee. Your pointing out these number but they have very little meaning. You want the most improtant numbers on Felton just look at his FG% its .396 for his career. He shot 41% from the floor. This guys numbers are a product of playing on a bad team.

I am totally opposed to a deal for Raymond Felton, this guy is one of the worst pgs in the game.

Felton is a pure pg and would be a great addition to our team. A few points on Felton:

One of the reasons his numbers are bogged down a little, is because his coaches haven't been using him right. For some reason, I saw him playing off the ball alot which makes absolutely no sense. As Crzy pointed out, down the stretch when he was back maning the point exclusively, he average near 17 and 10. In D'Antoni's pick and roll system, Felton can put up similar numbers to the ones he put up in April. Felton is the goods and he is a better pure point than Lowry and Hnrich. Felton should be the target.
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6/28/2008  2:03 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by crzymdups:

i actually like felton a lot and if this deal is there, i'd still pursue it.

14ppg 7apg and he was played off the ball quite a bit. last year after the all-star break he played more at PG and averaged 15.5ppg and 8.3apg. in april he was at 16.8ppg and 9.6apg.

This guy is more offensively challenged than Lee. Your pointing out these number but they have very little meaning. You want the most improtant numbers on Felton just look at his FG% its .396 for his career. He shot 41% from the floor. This guys numbers are a product of playing on a bad team.

I am totally opposed to a deal for Raymond Felton, this guy is one of the worst pgs in the game.

the knock on him is that he is a poor finisher in the paint, usually because the paint is so clogged because the bobcats had horrible spacing. that's why they drafted morrison. d'antoni will space the floor better here with Gallinari and later additions. felton can get by anyone, he's not the best shooter. but his fg% is trending upwards. he shot 39% his first year, shot 41% last year. with better spacing, he'll have better numbers. he shouldn't be off the ball, he should be pushing the ball. i think he's the best pg we can get.

people are acting like hinrich is the best we can get, but he shot 41% and only averaged 11ppg and 6apg with far superior teammates than what felton had. hinrich was also running the point the whole time. hinrich is overvalued, felton is undervalued.

felton is the best pg we can reasonably get for dlee.
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6/28/2008  2:06 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by crzymdups:

i actually like felton a lot and if this deal is there, i'd still pursue it.

14ppg 7apg and he was played off the ball quite a bit. last year after the all-star break he played more at PG and averaged 15.5ppg and 8.3apg. in april he was at 16.8ppg and 9.6apg.

This guy is more offensively challenged than Lee. Your pointing out these number but they have very little meaning. You want the most improtant numbers on Felton just look at his FG% its .396 for his career. He shot 41% from the floor. This guys numbers are a product of playing on a bad team.

I am totally opposed to a deal for Raymond Felton, this guy is one of the worst pgs in the game.

Felton is a pure pg and would be a great addition to our team. A few points on Felton:

One of the reasons his numbers are bogged down a little, is because his coaches haven't been using him right. For some reason, I saw him playing off the ball alot which makes absolutely no sense. As Crzy pointed out, down the stretch when he was back maning the point exclusively, he average near 17 and 10. In D'Antoni's pick and roll system, Felton can put up similar numbers to the ones he put up in April. Felton is the goods and he is a better pure point than Lowry and Hnrich. Felton should be the target.

If the Knicks made this move I woould totally disagree with it. He is not that good that is why Bobcats are giving up on him. If Larry Brown doesn't want him and that is his first move is to get rid of him then I don't want him. I don't want another teams junk. He never made anyone better and that is why they are getting rid of him.

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6/28/2008  2:08 PM
isn't it time we got to rip off michael jordan? he and brown owe us for years of misery.

if jordan is looking to trade him, i'm sold. he's the worst gm in the league now that we've retired isiah.
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6/28/2008  2:13 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by crzymdups:

i actually like felton a lot and if this deal is there, i'd still pursue it.

14ppg 7apg and he was played off the ball quite a bit. last year after the all-star break he played more at PG and averaged 15.5ppg and 8.3apg. in april he was at 16.8ppg and 9.6apg.

This guy is more offensively challenged than Lee. Your pointing out these number but they have very little meaning. You want the most improtant numbers on Felton just look at his FG% its .396 for his career. He shot 41% from the floor. This guys numbers are a product of playing on a bad team.

I am totally opposed to a deal for Raymond Felton, this guy is one of the worst pgs in the game.

Felton is a pure pg and would be a great addition to our team. A few points on Felton:

One of the reasons his numbers are bogged down a little, is because his coaches haven't been using him right. For some reason, I saw him playing off the ball alot which makes absolutely no sense. As Crzy pointed out, down the stretch when he was back maning the point exclusively, he average near 17 and 10. In D'Antoni's pick and roll system, Felton can put up similar numbers to the ones he put up in April. Felton is the goods and he is a better pure point than Lowry and Hnrich. Felton should be the target.

If the Knicks made this move I woould totally disagree with it. He is not that good that is why Bobcats are giving up on him. If Larry Brown doesn't want him and that is his first move is to get rid of him then I don't want him. I don't want another teams junk. He never made anyone better and that is why they are getting rid of him.


Your way off with this. Just because Charlotte may not want him (BTW this is all speculation, no one has confirmed that they are giving him away) doesn't mean he isn't any good. Besides, supposedly, we dont want Lee. Is he not any good? I think it comes down to a fit. If LB doesn't think Felton fits his vision, it doesn't mean he isn't good for someone elses system. And putting all your trust into who LB might want or not isn't alwasy the best thing. If LB doesn't want Felton, you can add him to the long list of other players he didn't beginning with Iverson and Billups.


[Edited by - uptown on 06-28-2008 2:14 PM]
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6/28/2008  2:23 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by crzymdups:

i actually like felton a lot and if this deal is there, i'd still pursue it.

14ppg 7apg and he was played off the ball quite a bit. last year after the all-star break he played more at PG and averaged 15.5ppg and 8.3apg. in april he was at 16.8ppg and 9.6apg.

This guy is more offensively challenged than Lee. Your pointing out these number but they have very little meaning. You want the most improtant numbers on Felton just look at his FG% its .396 for his career. He shot 41% from the floor. This guys numbers are a product of playing on a bad team.

I am totally opposed to a deal for Raymond Felton, this guy is one of the worst pgs in the game.

Felton is a pure pg and would be a great addition to our team. A few points on Felton:

One of the reasons his numbers are bogged down a little, is because his coaches haven't been using him right. For some reason, I saw him playing off the ball alot which makes absolutely no sense. As Crzy pointed out, down the stretch when he was back maning the point exclusively, he average near 17 and 10. In D'Antoni's pick and roll system, Felton can put up similar numbers to the ones he put up in April. Felton is the goods and he is a better pure point than Lowry and Hnrich. Felton should be the target.

If the Knicks made this move I woould totally disagree with it. He is not that good that is why Bobcats are giving up on him. If Larry Brown doesn't want him and that is his first move is to get rid of him then I don't want him. I don't want another teams junk. He never made anyone better and that is why they are getting rid of him.


Your way off with this. Just because Charlotte may not want him (BTW this is all speculation, no one has confirmed that they are giving him away) doesn't mean he isn't any good. Besides, supposedly, we dont want Lee. Is he not any good? I think it comes down to a fit. If LB doesn't think Felton fits his vision, it doesn't mean he isn't good for someone elses system. And putting all your trust into who LB might want or not isn't alwasy the best thing. If LB doesn't want Felton, you can add him to the long list of other players he didn't beginning with Iverson and Billups.


[Edited by - uptown on 06-28-2008 2:14 PM]


The Knicks system requires pgs to be able to pass and shoot. Felton maybe a decent passer but he is a terrible shooter. The Knicks are planning on running a spread offense, Felton doesn't fit the D'Antoni system. He shot .280 from three point range thats aweful. There are better options out there than Felton. Why don't we just let Mardy play he can shoot .280 from three and dish it what the hell you want Felton for. You guys are falling for his BS number when he is an aweful point guard and he wouldn't help turn the Knicks around. You don't want a point guard coming from another loser programm. I would take Bueno Udrich over felton in a heart beat.
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6/28/2008  2:35 PM
Name me a better pg on the market than Felton? Not saying their isn't one. But name them.

I hope your joking comparing Mardy to Felton. You cant just look at the numbers, you need to watch the games. Felton is a better pure point guard than Udrich, Mardy and Ridnour. Its not really that close. I get the feeling you haven't watched Felton much and your just going on his numbers. I've been tracking him since HS. He was the #1 rated pg coming out of high school which includes Paul. He won the championship in college running a system that required him to push the ball.

I've seen this kid play a ton. As Crzy mentioned, he has had some bad coaching in Charlotte. Making this kid play off the ball for stretches is absurd. I think Felton will excell in the pick and roll offense because of his awareness, passing ability and he can stick the mid-range jumper pretty consistantly.

And BTW Dwyane Wade 25% 3ptfg (career).

[Edited by - uptown on 06-28-2008 2:36 PM]
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6/28/2008  2:39 PM
Posted by Vmart:

If the Knicks made this move I woould totally disagree with it. He is not that good that is why Bobcats are giving up on him. If Larry Brown doesn't want him and that is his first move is to get rid of him then I don't want him. I don't want another teams junk. He never made anyone better and that is why they are getting rid of him.

i trust D'Antoni's judge of PGs more than Brown's. if D'Antoni wants him, that's good enough for me. right now we don't know who initiated this trade - maybe D'Antoni nixed it, maybe Charlotte nixed it. i think D'Antoni will find a guy who works for him, whether it's Ridnour, Blake, Watson, Felton. not sure Udrih is available, but he's a nice option. sacramento needs a pg desperately though, they coveted Augustine, so i don't think they see Udrih as their playmaker.

people who think we're going to get monta ellis for lee are insane. i would've prefered Chalmers over all these options, but we missed out big time on him imho. i think felton is a good bet, if D'antoni agrees my guess is he'll be here.
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