I knew something was foul--the people who came here with Isiah Thomas--who are responsible for the failure of this organization over the last several years made the call on this pick==they said it clear as day---Walsh is a 68 year old figure head and the team is still run by the inept fools who have run it into the ground.

in the initial interviews with d'alsh about a month or two ago concerning the draft, they kept referring to using the current knicks' scouts to help with the draft.

Posted by djsunyc:

in the initial interviews with d'alsh about a month or two ago concerning the draft, they kept referring to using the current knicks' scouts to help with the draft.

Don't you have to kinda rely on the personnel in place? The draft is not a one or two month process. You don't get rid of the top guy and turn over the entire support people as well. How could you pull together a group to replace the Knicks entire scouting staff in two months and prepare for the draft as well?

Posted by eViL:

[quote]Posted by djsunyc:

in the initial interviews with d'alsh about a month or two ago concerning the draft, they kept referring to using the current knicks' scouts to help with the draft.

--->Don't you have to kinda rely on the personnel in place?

These are the same people who are responsible for our failures--when a new CEO comes into a company the first thing they usually do is clean the entire house out. As far as I know Isiah still works there all of the scouts and grunwald are there[who was brutal in Toronto by the way] just look at how they threw David Lee to the wolves offering him around the league backstabbing him like Julius Caesar on TV--the whole thing is foul my man--nothing has changed. If I was David Lee's agent I would tell the Knicks to move my client i,,ediately== that irreparable harm has been done to the relationship

One positive thing I take from this is that this is a rebuilding move...This kid isn't ready to play in this league right now at the 4...So we will see on this one...

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by eViL:

[quote]Posted by djsunyc:

in the initial interviews with d'alsh about a month or two ago concerning the draft, they kept referring to using the current knicks' scouts to help with the draft.

--->Don't you have to kinda rely on the personnel in place?

These are the same people who are responsible for our failures--when a new CEO comes into a company the first thing they usually do is clean the entire house out. As far as I know Isiah still works there all of the scouts and grunwald are there[who was brutal in Toronto by the way] just look at how they threw David Lee to the wolves offering him around the league backstabbing him like Julius Caesar on TV--the whole thing is foul my man--nothing has changed. If I was David Lee's agent I would tell the Knicks to move my client i,,ediately== that irreparable harm has been done to the relationship

BRIGGS, I understand that in an ideal situation you want to revamp the entire organization. But I don't think you can compare this to a new CEO coming in. I mean, you can make the comparison in many ways, but you also have to acknowledge that in this particular situation the "new CEO" is coming in during a time where some major company projects are in mid-stream (i.e. the draft preparation). At that point, it becomes hard to uproot everyone and still complete the projects with any form of synergy. A major upheaval is inviting even further disorganization. Time will tell how much influence the new regime has. One would expect the changes would be gradual and would occur at a time when they would be the least disruptive.

Posted by eViL:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by eViL:

[quote]Posted by djsunyc:

in the initial interviews with d'alsh about a month or two ago concerning the draft, they kept referring to using the current knicks' scouts to help with the draft.

--->Don't you have to kinda rely on the personnel in place?

These are the same people who are responsible for our failures--when a new CEO comes into a company the first thing they usually do is clean the entire house out. As far as I know Isiah still works there all of the scouts and grunwald are there[who was brutal in Toronto by the way] just look at how they threw David Lee to the wolves offering him around the league backstabbing him like Julius Caesar on TV--the whole thing is foul my man--nothing has changed. If I was David Lee's agent I would tell the Knicks to move my client i,,ediately== that irreparable harm has been done to the relationship

BRIGGS, I understand that in an ideal situation you want to revamp the entire organization. But I don't think you can compare this to a new CEO coming in. I mean, you can make the comparison in many ways, but you also have to acknowledge that in this particular situation the "new CEO" is coming in during a time where some major company projects are in mid-stream (i.e. the draft preparation). At that point, it becomes hard to uproot everyone and still complete the projects with any form of synergy. A major upheaval is inviting even further disorganization. Time will tell how much influence the new regime has. One would expect the changes would be gradual and would occur at a time when they would be the least disruptive.

If we hired Danny Ainge--he wouldve had a draft board in place within a month and he would make final decisions--I highly doubt he would accept input from previous idiots when his name is now on the line. That is the problem with hiring a 68 YO CEO--he doesnt really care--this is a beautiful last pay check before retirement.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by eViL:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by eViL:

[quote]Posted by djsunyc:

in the initial interviews with d'alsh about a month or two ago concerning the draft, they kept referring to using the current knicks' scouts to help with the draft.

--->Don't you have to kinda rely on the personnel in place?

These are the same people who are responsible for our failures--when a new CEO comes into a company the first thing they usually do is clean the entire house out. As far as I know Isiah still works there all of the scouts and grunwald are there[who was brutal in Toronto by the way] just look at how they threw David Lee to the wolves offering him around the league backstabbing him like Julius Caesar on TV--the whole thing is foul my man--nothing has changed. If I was David Lee's agent I would tell the Knicks to move my client i,,ediately== that irreparable harm has been done to the relationship

BRIGGS, I understand that in an ideal situation you want to revamp the entire organization. But I don't think you can compare this to a new CEO coming in. I mean, you can make the comparison in many ways, but you also have to acknowledge that in this particular situation the "new CEO" is coming in during a time where some major company projects are in mid-stream (i.e. the draft preparation). At that point, it becomes hard to uproot everyone and still complete the projects with any form of synergy. A major upheaval is inviting even further disorganization. Time will tell how much influence the new regime has. One would expect the changes would be gradual and would occur at a time when they would be the least disruptive.

If we hired Danny Ainge--he wouldve had a draft board in place within a month and he would make final decisions--I highly doubt he would accept input from previous idiots when his name is now on the line. That is the problem with hiring a 68 YO CEO--he doesnt really care--this is a beautiful last pay check before retirement.

Danny Ainge was not available and the other two popular choices (West and Colangelo) are both older than Donnie. Let's not make Danny Ainge the standard bearer after he just won a title. His acumen wasn't highly regarded here last year at this time. Let this offseason finish and let the next season begin. There is a lot of time between now and the season opener.

[Edited by - eViL on 06-27-2008 02:02 AM]

HAHA!! Kiki is a legend or a lepper depending on where he is. He's great in Jersey now (because everything the Nets do is great -- remember Marcus "Future Superstar -- the next Magic" Williams), but if we got Kiki, he would have been the man who passed on Amare twice for Nene and Skittles.

Kiki had RJ to trade... BIG bullet in his holster right there... what did we have? D Lee? doesn't compare... if Kiki were hired by the Knicks i don't see how he could have done any better a job than Walsh did under the circumstances... from all accounts Walsh had a blockbuster deal set to go down but Lee & his agent nixed the deal... can't fault Walsh for that... everyone wants to say they could done a better job but they have no real idea what really went on behind the scenes... we can only go based on stories & rumors we've heard... bottomline is Walsh seemed to have tried but couldn't get the guy he wanted & he ended up taking the next BPA on their board... we shouldn't read much more into it than what it is IMHO.

Posted by djsunyc:

knicks made a committment to do this under the cap thing in 2010. if that's the case, then this is going to look ugly for 2 years while they wait out contracts.

being in ny, walsh being 68 and hiring d'antoni are 3 reasons why this 2010 plan is a bad one.

knicks could get alot better alot quicker by spending more money, making more expiring year deals, and trying to starphuch. just got to pick the right players.

otherwise, sit back and expect a bad team for a few more years while they cut cap.

I'm pretty sure I'm willing to see them suck while having a plan than continue to add on salary for loser players who lead us nowhere.