[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Doc Rivers is going to be a championship coach
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 1 of 2  1  2 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
newyorknewyork
Posts: 30259
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
6/13/2008  11:15 AM
He is about to win one. I never really thought of him as a championship calibre coach.

If he wins then this more then ever proves that players run the NBA. I think Garnett coaches that team as much as Doc Rivers.

Maybe we should have traded Frye for Garnett when we had the chance LOL.
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
AUTOADVERT
martin
Posts: 80097
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
6/13/2008  11:43 AM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

He is about to win one. I never really thought of him as a championship calibre coach.

If he wins then this more then ever proves that players run the NBA. I think Garnett coaches that team as much as Doc Rivers.

Maybe we should have traded Frye for Garnett when we had the chance LOL.

I wouldn't go as fas to say Garnett coaches the team but he does police them.
Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
Uptown
Posts: 31378
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 4/1/2008
Member: #1883
6/13/2008  11:57 AM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

He is about to win one. I never really thought of him as a championship calibre coach.

If he wins then this more then ever proves that players run the NBA. I think Garnett coaches that team as much as Doc Rivers.

Maybe we should have traded Frye for Garnett when we had the chance LOL.

Totally agree with this. The celts were worse than we were last year. They added a superstar player (Garnett), to an already star player in Pierce and Allen and away they they go. Not sure I agree that Garnett coaches the team though.
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
6/13/2008  12:00 PM
why is phil jackson considered a great coach when he coached 2 of the top 50 players of all time on 2 different teams but doc doesn't get his props in this case?

he won coach of the year when he had an orlando team overachieve.

he got his entire team to put their ego's aside and play as a unit.

he got players at the end of the bench playing with pride and hustle.

he listens and takes advice from his assistant coaches.

doc, imho, was the clear cut coach of the year this season and i don't understand the disrespect he's getting.

oh...and he's outcoaching phil in this series...his team came back from 24 points down on the road to win a finals game...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-13-2008 12:02 PM]
Uptown
Posts: 31378
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 4/1/2008
Member: #1883
6/13/2008  12:08 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

why is phil jackson considered a great coach when he coached 2 of the top 50 players of all time on 2 different teams but doc doesn't get his props in this case?

he won coach of the year when he had an orlando team overachieve.

he got his entire team to put their ego's aside and play as a unit.

he got players at the end of the bench playing with pride and hustle.

he listens and takes advice from his assistant coaches.

doc, imho, was the clear cut coach of the year this season and i don't understand the disrespect he's getting.

oh...and he's outcoaching phil in this series...his team came back from 24 points down on the road to win a finals game...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-13-2008 12:02 PM]


Be specific...how is he outcoaching Phil in your opinion? Basically, the second and third best players (Allen and Pierce) are better than the Lakers second and third best players (Odom and Gasol). I dont even think its necessary to disect every minutia of every play. Its that simple, Celts have the better players.
newyorknewyork
Posts: 30259
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
6/13/2008  12:24 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

He is about to win one. I never really thought of him as a championship calibre coach.

If he wins then this more then ever proves that players run the NBA. I think Garnett coaches that team as much as Doc Rivers.

Maybe we should have traded Frye for Garnett when we had the chance LOL.

I wouldn't go as fas to say Garnett coaches the team but he does police them.

Not coaching them in Xs & Os but demanding, inspiring, keeping people in check, what coaches do.
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
SupremeCommander
Posts: 34075
Alba Posts: 35
Joined: 4/28/2006
Member: #1127
6/13/2008  12:31 PM
The Celtics don't really need a coach. Pierce and Garnett both "play the right way" and Allen is a workaholic... when your best players set that kind of tone, the rest fall in line.
DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
6/13/2008  12:32 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by djsunyc:

why is phil jackson considered a great coach when he coached 2 of the top 50 players of all time on 2 different teams but doc doesn't get his props in this case?

he won coach of the year when he had an orlando team overachieve.

he got his entire team to put their ego's aside and play as a unit.

he got players at the end of the bench playing with pride and hustle.

he listens and takes advice from his assistant coaches.

doc, imho, was the clear cut coach of the year this season and i don't understand the disrespect he's getting.

oh...and he's outcoaching phil in this series...his team came back from 24 points down on the road to win a finals game...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-13-2008 12:02 PM]


Be specific...how is he outcoaching Phil in your opinion? Basically, the second and third best players (Allen and Pierce) are better than the Lakers second and third best players (Odom and Gasol). I dont even think its necessary to disect every minutia of every play. Its that simple, Celts have the better players.

kobe has no room to operate. he effectively has taken pau gasol out of his game. his use of his point guards and running ray allen through screens to tire kobe down.

basically, jordan + pippen (or kobe + shaq) were the best players when the bulls and lakers played so why does phil get the credit but glenn doc doesn't?
newyorknewyork
Posts: 30259
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
6/13/2008  12:35 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

why is phil jackson considered a great coach when he coached 2 of the top 50 players of all time on 2 different teams but doc doesn't get his props in this case?

he won coach of the year when he had an orlando team overachieve.

he got his entire team to put their ego's aside and play as a unit.

he got players at the end of the bench playing with pride and hustle.

he listens and takes advice from his assistant coaches.

doc, imho, was the clear cut coach of the year this season and i don't understand the disrespect he's getting.

oh...and he's outcoaching phil in this series...his team came back from 24 points down on the road to win a finals game...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-13-2008 12:02 PM]

Other than Orlando (when he had Ben Wallace who developed into one of the top centers in the NBA starting from that season), I think Garnett has as much to do with all of that as Doc Rivers. Especially guys putting there egos aside. Nobody saying Doc Rivers isn't a good coach. Im just saying Championship calibre coach I never pictured him. When watching the games and keeping an eye on the Boston Celtics story this yr. Giving Garnett his fresh start, giving him a new life, new energy, new motivation. Propelled him to the superstar, culture changing, monster that he is with the Celtics.

Lets also not forget the 14 game losing streak that he an Tmac went through in Orlando as well. Or was he gone at that point?

https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
NYK3
Posts: 23572
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 7/30/2004
Member: #725
USA
6/13/2008  12:39 PM
Did I miss something? cause i could have sworn the series is 3-1 and its BEST OF 7....anything is still possible folks, did anyone thing the Celtics would come back last night? i dont think so, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE PEOPLE
I wasn't born with enough middle fingers!!!
franco12
Posts: 34069
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 2/19/2004
Member: #599
USA
6/13/2008  12:40 PM
Odom and Gasol are being exposed as 'soft' players.

I wanted Rivers as our coach after he got run out of Orlando- I think that was when we were all ecstatic about getting LB.

Lakers= Monumental Collapse. On Par with Trailblazers collapsing against them.

Lakers have no real 2nd tier player behind Kobe.
newyorknewyork
Posts: 30259
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
6/13/2008  12:42 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by djsunyc:

why is phil jackson considered a great coach when he coached 2 of the top 50 players of all time on 2 different teams but doc doesn't get his props in this case?

he won coach of the year when he had an orlando team overachieve.

he got his entire team to put their ego's aside and play as a unit.

he got players at the end of the bench playing with pride and hustle.

he listens and takes advice from his assistant coaches.

doc, imho, was the clear cut coach of the year this season and i don't understand the disrespect he's getting.

oh...and he's outcoaching phil in this series...his team came back from 24 points down on the road to win a finals game...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-13-2008 12:02 PM]


Be specific...how is he outcoaching Phil in your opinion? Basically, the second and third best players (Allen and Pierce) are better than the Lakers second and third best players (Odom and Gasol). I dont even think its necessary to disect every minutia of every play. Its that simple, Celts have the better players.

kobe has no room to operate. he effectively has taken pau gasol out of his game. his use of his point guards and running ray allen through screens to tire kobe down.

basically, jordan + pippen (or kobe + shaq) were the best players when the bulls and lakers played so why does phil get the credit but glenn doc doesn't?

DJ like I stated earlier, more proof that its a players league. The coaches don't look as good without the players who execute what they teach. Most of what Doc has been able to do wouldn't be possible if Al Jefferson was there instead of Kevin Garnett. Most of what Phil Jackson has been able to do has been because he has had Jordan, Shaq & Kobe

Espn & the media make who the stars are. Phil won 9 championships so no matter what he will be put on that level even if he had Jordan & Shaq & Kobe.
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
Uptown
Posts: 31378
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 4/1/2008
Member: #1883
6/13/2008  12:45 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by djsunyc:

why is phil jackson considered a great coach when he coached 2 of the top 50 players of all time on 2 different teams but doc doesn't get his props in this case?

he won coach of the year when he had an orlando team overachieve.

he got his entire team to put their ego's aside and play as a unit.

he got players at the end of the bench playing with pride and hustle.

he listens and takes advice from his assistant coaches.

doc, imho, was the clear cut coach of the year this season and i don't understand the disrespect he's getting.

oh...and he's outcoaching phil in this series...his team came back from 24 points down on the road to win a finals game...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-13-2008 12:02 PM]


Be specific...how is he outcoaching Phil in your opinion? Basically, the second and third best players (Allen and Pierce) are better than the Lakers second and third best players (Odom and Gasol). I dont even think its necessary to disect every minutia of every play. Its that simple, Celts have the better players.

kobe has no room to operate. he effectively has taken pau gasol out of his game. his use of his point guards and running ray allen through screens to tire kobe down.

basically, jordan + pippen (or kobe + shaq) were the best players when the bulls and lakers played so why does phil get the credit but glenn doc doesn't?

In the beginning of his run, people did question Phil as we are questioning Doc right now. In fact, some people still question Phil to this day as you are right now. But Phil continued to win and before we know it, he has 9 rings. Its kind of hard to question 9 rings.

The biggest key for Phil is his ability to win when he is supposed to win. He had the best players and he never had a let down. Did what everyone predicted him to do when each season started in October. Its not easy to when with the expectations every year....and Phil has done that. Lets see what Doc does next year.
newyorknewyork
Posts: 30259
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
6/13/2008  12:49 PM
Also KG is a different type of person than a Kobe & Jordan & Shaq were & are.

KG is very loyal and humble and easy to get along with. Remember when they brought in Spree & Cassell to Minny for that one successful run. He isn't a personality that needs to be controlled or tamed. Ray Allen has never really came off that way either.

Kobe, Shaq & Jordan were different stories. I believe Phil Jackson had way more work cut out for him dealing with the personalities of Kobe, Shaq & Jordan than Doc has had with KG, Pierce & Allen.
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
SupremeCommander
Posts: 34075
Alba Posts: 35
Joined: 4/28/2006
Member: #1127
6/13/2008  12:50 PM
Posted by NYK3:

Did I miss something? cause i could have sworn the series is 3-1 and its BEST OF 7....anything is still possible folks, did anyone thing the Celtics would come back last night? i dont think so, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE PEOPLE

You're right... but when the Lakers' crunch time strategy is to go one-on-five and play matador defense, I don't like their chances.
DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
Uptown
Posts: 31378
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 4/1/2008
Member: #1883
6/13/2008  12:50 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by djsunyc:

why is phil jackson considered a great coach when he coached 2 of the top 50 players of all time on 2 different teams but doc doesn't get his props in this case?

he won coach of the year when he had an orlando team overachieve.

he got his entire team to put their ego's aside and play as a unit.

he got players at the end of the bench playing with pride and hustle.

he listens and takes advice from his assistant coaches.

doc, imho, was the clear cut coach of the year this season and i don't understand the disrespect he's getting.

oh...and he's outcoaching phil in this series...his team came back from 24 points down on the road to win a finals game...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-13-2008 12:02 PM]


Be specific...how is he outcoaching Phil in your opinion? Basically, the second and third best players (Allen and Pierce) are better than the Lakers second and third best players (Odom and Gasol). I dont even think its necessary to disect every minutia of every play. Its that simple, Celts have the better players.

kobe has no room to operate. he effectively has taken pau gasol out of his game. his use of his point guards and running ray allen through screens to tire kobe down.

basically, jordan + pippen (or kobe + shaq) were the best players when the bulls and lakers played so why does phil get the credit but glenn doc doesn't?

DJ like I stated earlier, more proof that its a players league. The coaches don't look as good without the players who execute what they teach. Most of what Doc has been able to do wouldn't be possible if Al Jefferson was there instead of Kevin Garnett. Most of what Phil Jackson has been able to do has been because he has had Jordan, Shaq & Kobe

Espn & the media make who the stars are. Phil won 9 championships so no matter what he will be put on that level even if he had Jordan & Shaq & Kobe.


Agreed. You mean to tell me a team with Pierce and Jefferson can only win 23(?) games last year? That team had a better mix of personel, and the better player (Pierce) than we did.
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
6/13/2008  12:51 PM
pierce played 47 games last season.
newyorknewyork
Posts: 30259
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
6/13/2008  12:59 PM
Agreed. You mean to tell me a team with Pierce and Jefferson can only win 23(?) games last year? That team had a better mix of personel, and the better player (Pierce) than we did.

They were tanking for Oden. The season started to fail due to injuries and stuff and they mailed it in for Oden.

Doc is a good coach, Phil is a good coach, but players win championships.

Id say a coaches biggest task is dealing with personalities. But when you have KG that isn't even an big issue.
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
BasketballJones
Posts: 31973
Alba Posts: 19
Joined: 7/16/2002
Member: #290
USA
6/13/2008  1:15 PM
Keeping in mind that it ain't over yet, I would have to agree that Doc Rivers couldn't have brought this team so far without his big three.

On the other hand, I can easily see another coach failing to bring this team together. I think it is a team of "nice guys" that we wouldn't be surprised to see "choke" and lose.

I think Doc's real strength is in his understanding of player psychology. He knows what to say to these guys in different situations, and how to motivate them. It seems like a pretty good combo.
https:// It's not so hard.
knicks1248
Posts: 42059
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #582
6/13/2008  1:30 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

why is phil jackson considered a great coach when he coached 2 of the top 50 players of all time on 2 different teams but doc doesn't get his props in this case?

he won coach of the year when he had an orlando team overachieve.

he got his entire team to put their ego's aside and play as a unit.

he got players at the end of the bench playing with pride and hustle.

he listens and takes advice from his assistant coaches.

doc, imho, was the clear cut coach of the year this season and i don't understand the disrespect he's getting.

oh...and he's outcoaching phil in this series...his team came back from 24 points down on the road to win a finals game...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-13-2008 12:02 PM]

He has a bunch of vets on his team with good character and are way behind stat sheets.These guys new from jump sacrifice was the key.

ES
Page 1 of 2  1  2 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Doc Rivers is going to be a championship coach
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy