So this is his blueprint for success--having the high lottery pick and making solid use of it

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Posted by islesfan:

[quote]So this is his blueprint for success--having the high lottery pick and making solid use of it

Walsh had 4 picks in the top ten, he came away with Person, Smits, McCloud and Dampier. Not exactly a blueprint for anything.

Person Smits and Miller were the foundation of that team that went to the ECF like 5 times. How can you say you know 1 iota about basketball and say otherwise? Go to bed son.

Posted by islesfan:

Before Larry got there, this is how they felt about Donnie Walsh's first 8 years as the Indiana GM:

"Criticism of General Manager Donnie Walsh was severe: "Walsh Builds a Contender," read a headline in the Indianapolis News, adding, "However, That Place is in Seattle."

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Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by islesfan:

[quote]So this is his blueprint for success--having the high lottery pick and making solid use of it

Walsh had 4 picks in the top ten, he came away with Person, Smits, McCloud and Dampier. Not exactly a blueprint for anything.

Person Smits and Miller were the foundation of that team that went to the ECF like 5 times. How can you say you know 1 iota about basketball and say otherwise? Go to bed son.

Person had nothing to do with those teams as he was traded in 1992. The Pacers, with Smits and Miller, were nothing more than a struggling .500 team, until Larry Brown was hired for the 1993-94 season. Brown showed the franchise how to win.

And Miller wasn't even a lottery pick, much less a high lottery pick. The 1987 lottery only went 7 spots with Miller being the 11th pick. You ready to admit that you can get a good player past pick #6?

You obviously don't know 1 iota about basketball. Go to bed old man, it's way past your bedtime.

Chuck Person was a huge foundation piece for the Pacers. No current Knick is even in the same ballpark as Chuck person in terms of talent. If you remember the Pacers were BAD for a long time and when they drafted Person their story started to change. Becoming a good team is a process and Person was a huge piece of it. Their whole success was built on well executed high draft picks and a few keen trades. Larry Brown is just a piece--it's the players that were assembled who got it done and that is why they were better under larry Bird. The players that were assembled came through high draft picks and a few keen trades---nothing else. That was the only blueprint.

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Posted by islesfan:

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Posted by islesfan:

[quote]So this is his blueprint for success--having the high lottery pick and making solid use of it

Walsh had 4 picks in the top ten, he came away with Person, Smits, McCloud and Dampier. Not exactly a blueprint for anything.

Person Smits and Miller were the foundation of that team that went to the ECF like 5 times. How can you say you know 1 iota about basketball and say otherwise? Go to bed son.

Person had nothing to do with those teams as he was traded in 1992. The Pacers, with Smits and Miller, were nothing more than a struggling .500 team, until Larry Brown was hired for the 1993-94 season. Brown showed the franchise how to win.

And Miller wasn't even a lottery pick, much less a high lottery pick. The 1987 lottery only went 7 spots with Miller being the 11th pick. You ready to admit that you can get a good player past pick #6?

You obviously don't know 1 iota about basketball. Go to bed old man, it's way past your bedtime.

Chuck Person was a huge foundation piece for the Pacers. No current Knick is even in the same ballpark as Chuck person in terms of talent. If you remember the Pacers were BAD for a long time and when they drafted Person their story started to change. Becoming a good team is a process and Person was a huge piece of it. Their whole success was built on well executed high draft picks and a few keen trades. Larry Brown is just a piece--it's the players that were assembled who got it done and that is why they were better under larry Bird. The players that were assembled came through high draft picks and a few keen trades---nothing else. That was the only blueprint.

Yeah, Person was such a huge foundation piece that they traded him away for the completely forgettable Pooh Richardson and Sam Mitchell. I can't believe we're arguing about Chuck Person who was basically Zach Randolph without the radioactive personality. You really want to give Person that much credit while playing down Larry Brown's role? That's up to you but it only makes you look like a fool.

Just admit that your premise for this thread was totally off base and not very well thought out. You wanted so badly to show that Walsh built his Pacers with high draft picks when that just wasn't the case. Miller (who wasn't a lottery pick but a mid round pick) and Smits were obviously big pieces to those teams but they were never better than a .500 team until Walsh traded for McKey, Jackson, Scott and others, while making good use of middle round and later draft picks (A. Davis, D. Davis, Sealy, Best) and most importantly hiring Larry Brown to teach them how to win with strong defense.

Stop making things up. They weren't built with high draft picks and that wasn't anything close to their blueprint.

Like I said go to sleep guy--you don't know anything about basketball. This isnt even an arguement.

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Posted by BRIGGS:

1986 Chuck Person #4 6-9
1987 Reggie Miller#11 6-8
1988 Rik Smits #2 7-3
1989 Georgo McCloud #7 6-8
1990 Anontio Davis #45 6-9
1991 Dale Davis #13 6-11
1992 Malik Sealy #14 6-7
1993 Scott Haskin #15 6-11[bust]
1994 Eric Piatkowski #15[traded with Sealy and Pooh Ricardon for Marc Jackson]
1995 Travis Best # 23 5-11 Fred Hoiberg #53
1996 Eric Dampierpick # 10 6-11
1997 Austin Croshere #12 6-9
1998 Al Harrington #25 6-9

acquired Jalen Rose via trade
acquired Jermaine Oneal via trade
acquired Ron Artest via trade


so this whole run Indiana made was through the draft and a few keen trades---key free agency acquistions---NONE ZERO NADA note almost every player Walsh drafted was a big player 6-8+


So this is his blueprint for success--having the high lottery pick and making solid use of it--taking big players and making a few keen trades. This is usually the oundation of every good team. This was a patient process but it yielded a long run in the playoffs with teams that had the ability to win it. At 68 years old I would find it hard to believe that he would change his own blueprint for success or could even have that ability. It's clear history says to take a high quality pick

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-13-2008 12:38 AM]

you know i'm not purposely trying to pick on every post you make but damn, you are 1 confusing mofo... you called Al Harrington garbage when i was making trade proposal after trade proposal to try & get him here to NY over the past couple years... why are you even pointing him out in your list of good players that Walsh drafted then? you're doing the same thing w/Danilo Gallinari now, calling him out as soft & a future bust 1 day & then including him in your top 15 list the next... then when i ask you to clarify you get offended & make some comment dissing my knowledge of the game... all i ask for is a little consistency, i don't think that's too much to ask dude.

He did the same thing with Eric Gordon today. First he talked him up as one of the special players that the Knicks could get at #6 so they shouldn't think about trading down, then today he says that Gordon is going to get exposed really quickly in the pros, pretty much labeling him a future bust.

He's also been arguing that you can't find players worth building around in the middle of the first round, then he goes and praises Walsh for doing exactly that in Indiana. Although he's trying to misrepresent those middle of the first round picks and calling them high lottery picks.

Senility must be a bitch.

Posted by islesfan:

Their blueprint for success was hiring a coach, Larry Brown, who demanded excellent defense from them. That's the foundation of every good team. So why did Walsh change his own blueprint and hire a head coach who only pays lip service to playing solid team defense?