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6/10/2008  3:04 PM
Love, Dorsey impress at Griz workout
By Ronald Tillery
Memphis Commercial Appeal
Monday, June 9, 2008

Kevin Love sought redemption with Memphis in front of him.

Joey Dorsey wanted to reach new heights. Period.


Douglas-Roberts says no to working out for Grizzlies

For Love and Dorsey: Mission accomplished.

Love, projected to be selected in the upper half of the draft lottery, emerged as the top participant, while Dorsey more than held his own in producing the second-best workout among four big men.

The six-player session also included centers DeAndre Jordan (Texas A&M) and JaVale McGee (Nevada), and guards Kyle Weaver (Washington State) and Jeremy Pargo (Gonzaga).

The focus, though, was on the big men, and Love asserted himself as an above-average passer, perimeter shooter, post scorer and athlete who has enough lateral quickness to avoid being a defensive liability.

“He’s gotten himself into great shape since the (Final Four) loss to the Tigers,” Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace said. “He’s working out well. He got good measurements at the Orlando Pre-Draft Camp. His athleticism is better than expected. He’s going to do fine in the NBA and go in the upper half of the lottery.”

Love immediately shed 15 pounds after the NCAA tournament, and the training proved worthwhile during impressive full-court, three-on-three and one-on-one exercises.

“I wanted to get quicker,” Love said, “because I’m going to have to play (power forward) in the NBA. I’ll be able to guard (centers) because of my size, but I have to be able to step out on the perimeter and use my quickness. I wanted to show I had the lateral quickness.”

Love displayed excellent shooting from mid-range and ended the workout by burying seven of 10 from beyond the NBA 3-point arc.

Whereas some lottery players rejected the notion of working against so-called lower prospects, Love embraced the idea to prove his stock.

“I’m a competitive guy. It doesn’t matter who I go against,” Love said. “Going one against none isn’t my style. I like to bang. I wanted to play against length. JaVale and DeAndre are pretty big guys, and I scored against them a bunch of times. I’m going to have to play against guys that size at the next level, and that’s just something I had to show.”

While McGee was active and determined, Jordan had the most difficult workout among the big men. He underwhelmed greatly in endurance, defense and low-post scoring. Jordan missed a dunk and shot an air ball free throw.

The best matchups involved Love and/or Dorsey.

Love’s finest moments came against each of his bigger opponents, as he proving to be virtually impossible to guard in the post. During a one-minute drill in which players had to sprint baseline to baseline while stopping and shooting from the elbow, Love connected on five straight shots. The Grizzlies’ staff required seven made shots during that span, and Love converted nine.

Dorsey only sank three baskets during that drill. But, with University of Memphis men’s basketball coach John Calipari watching, Dorsey impressed with his defense and sometimes stunning shot-making in competitive situations.

Dorsey’s fine moments happened when he dunked over a Love block attempt in a three-on-two, full-court exercise, caught a pass in the post and whirled to the basket for a score over Love, and routinely outsmarted Jordan on both ends of the court.

“I want to show everybody I can play with the top guys offensively and on defense, as well,” Dorsey said. “I’ve put in a lot of work in the gym. I just want to play in the NBA.”

Dorsey and Love were the only big men not visibly tired during the slightly more than an hour session.

“Joey can play in the NBA,” Wallace said. “He can be a rebounder, defender and energy guy. I think the draft is going to treat Joey much better than people would have thought at the beginning of the season.”

Love seconded that prediction.

“He’s hungry,” Love said of Dorsey. “He’s a banger. I thought he had a great workout. He hit a bunch of shots and had a pretty nice touch. He actually showed a jump shot. He’ll definitely make a team. He’s big enough and solid.”

Dorsey said he’s worked with NBA players Rudy Gay and Carmelo Anthony in an attempt to make certain he’s seen in a different light.

“I’m getting word that, ‘Joey, you might be drafted in the first round because of your defense.’ I’m like, ‘Wait until they see my offense,’” Dorsey said. “With that, I think I can move up.”


First and foremost on this article let me get this out the way....." EY CURRY please throw the #1-12 combos in the trash from McDonalds and lose some weight for real"

Next why is a Top 5 pick team in the draft inviting CDR for a workout only to get turned down? Hmmm I think it has to do with depth and talent but I could be wrong

Next why is a second round projected pick out performing and holding his own against Top 15 projected big men? Hmmm I think it has to do with depth and talent but I could be wrong

Kevin Love was giving Dorsey the Biz hmmmmm but let's call out Mchale any chance we get.
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6/10/2008  4:15 PM
Probably because Memphis has pick 28

Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.
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6/10/2008  4:25 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28

Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.

Agreed. If he's taking his conditioning seriously now, then this is a guy we have to have a serious look at.
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6/10/2008  4:26 PM
I think Love is a top five pick. The kid is a legit 6'9 and has all the skills of the word. If he is 25 pounds lighter by the draft, then why isn't he as good of a prospect as Beasely????
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6/10/2008  4:30 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28

Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.

Agreed. If he's taking his conditioning seriously now, then this is a guy we have to have a serious look at.

Well that is what killed Boozer and why he dropped so bad. He was 270+ pounds at some point and has put on weight at Duke and wasnt properly evaluated. If a guy is working that hard and is already a very serious skill player--how can we pass him by?

I view the Knicks like this--there is NOT one player i wouldnt trade tomorrow--we need good players--that is the bottom line--and its a no brainer why we would NEVER EVER want to move down in the draft. What if Kevin LOve comes in and they see a 20-10-5 PF? I would rather work UP in the draft to hold more leverage. Position 4 will yield is K Love and I can see us being able to swap positions 6-4. No one here knows what Kevin Love is playing like right now but he sounds like a top 3 pick.
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6/10/2008  4:32 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28
Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.


hahahaha...hmmm, but you could be wrong...... NOT..



anyway, good try True blue and nice find on the article.....

Briggs, your boy mcgee may slip down in this draft...

[Edited by - tkf on 10-06-2008 4:33 PM]
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6/10/2008  4:37 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28
Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.


hahahaha...hmmm, but you could be wrong...... NOT..



anyway, good try True blue and nice find on the article.....

Briggs, your boy mcgee may slip down in this draft...

[Edited by - tkf on 10-06-2008 4:33 PM]

I think Jordan might slip down. How many peope were on his jocK? Mcgee is not going past Sacremento at 12. Mcgee is not 24 years old like Dorsey and he doesnt ahev the expereince and his body isnt mature like Love. Mcgee is a project player with HUGE HUGE upside. I dont think Mcgee was ever slotted to go top 5 but he will go 9-12
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6/10/2008  4:56 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28
Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.

hahahaha...hmmm, but you could be wrong...... NOT..



anyway, good try True blue and nice find on the article.....

Briggs, your boy mcgee may slip down in this draft...

[Edited by - tkf on 10-06-2008 4:33 PM]

I think Jordan might slip down. How many peope were on his jocK? Mcgee is not going past Sacremento at 12. Mcgee is not 24 years old like Dorsey and he doesnt ahev the expereince and his body isnt mature like Love. Mcgee is a project player with HUGE HUGE upside. I dont think Mcgee was ever slotted to go top 5 but he will go 9-12

I am going on record to state McGee will be a MAJOR bust.
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6/10/2008  5:04 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28

Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.


Love is showing a great determination by shedding the lbs and getting himself into tip-top shape. He is a highly skilled, highly intelligent player who will be a winner wherever he goes. Knicks defineitly need to take a long look at him. He might be the best player on the board when we pick, if he slips past Memphis which I doubt. Most likely Memphis takes him because he's one of the the only
players not to deny them a work out.

[Edited by - uptown on 06-10-2008 5:05 PM]
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6/10/2008  6:02 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28

Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.


CDR according to Dick Vitale right before the tournament started said he was a Top 5 player in college. During the tournament he was projected as a Mid 30 pick. As current as today I've seen him as high as 13 on a couple Mocks. I've seen him as low as 28 the spot where Memphis is slated to pick with their other first rounder. Anyone who saw Memphis play knows this guy has game and he literally carried them a few games during the tournament and truly all yr. Now how on earth does a player like CDR have a 27 player separation from a player like Rose? I just don't get it. And I asked why Memphis wanted him to come for a workout to show CDR who was recently worked out by Toronto with the 17th pick has an avg Mock draft selection at 22, highest selection in the consensus linked I showed is 17. Such disparity I tell you, obviously Memphis was doing their due diligence to extend an Olive branch to his camp in hopes to take a sneak peak at him since the draft is so fluid and deep.
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6/10/2008  6:06 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28

Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.


CDR according to Dick Vitale right before the tournament started said he was a Top 5 player in college. During the tournament he was projected as a Mid 30 pick. As current as today I've seen him as high as 13 on a couple Mocks. I've seen him as low as 28 the spot where Memphis is slated to pick with their other first rounder. Anyone who saw Memphis play knows this guy has game and he literally carried them a few games during the tournament and truly all yr. Now how on earth does a player like CDR have a 27 player separation from a player like Rose? I just don't get it. And I asked why Memphis wanted him to come for a workout to show CDR who was recently worked out by Toronto with the 17th pick has an avg Mock draft selection at 22, highest selection in the consensus linked I showed is 17. Such disparity I tell you, obviously Memphis was doing their due diligence to extend an Olive branch to his camp in hopes to take a sneak peak at him since the draft is so fluid and deep.

CDR is an iso guard--horrible fit for the Knicks. There are a lot of top 5 college players who dont even make the pros. Im more interested in seeing Kevin Love--he has incredible IQ and if he really improved his physical package that much--hg moves way up in my book.
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6/10/2008  6:06 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28
Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.


hahahaha...hmmm, but you could be wrong...... NOT..



anyway, good try True blue and nice find on the article.....

Briggs, your boy mcgee may slip down in this draft...

[Edited by - tkf on 10-06-2008 4:33 PM]


TKF actually it was a setup question. I made a thread specifically showing multiple picks from each team. I new Memphis had another first rounder. There always more than meets the eye when I ask questions.


At least this is what my other half tells me.
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6/10/2008  6:14 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28

Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.


CDR according to Dick Vitale right before the tournament started said he was a Top 5 player in college. During the tournament he was projected as a Mid 30 pick. As current as today I've seen him as high as 13 on a couple Mocks. I've seen him as low as 28 the spot where Memphis is slated to pick with their other first rounder. Anyone who saw Memphis play knows this guy has game and he literally carried them a few games during the tournament and truly all yr. Now how on earth does a player like CDR have a 27 player separation from a player like Rose? I just don't get it. And I asked why Memphis wanted him to come for a workout to show CDR who was recently worked out by Toronto with the 17th pick has an avg Mock draft selection at 22, highest selection in the consensus linked I showed is 17. Such disparity I tell you, obviously Memphis was doing their due diligence to extend an Olive branch to his camp in hopes to take a sneak peak at him since the draft is so fluid and deep.

CDR is an iso guard--horrible fit for the Knicks. There are a lot of top 5 college players who dont even make the pros. Im more interested in seeing Kevin Love--he has incredible IQ and if he really improved his physical package that much--hg moves way up in my book.

Love is going to be a sure thing it's just a matter of what that is. I think he fits perfect for Memphis. He'd actually be a good fit in Chicago and Minnesota. As car as CDR he'd be great in D'Antoni's offensive system because he knows how to run off screens and has a great midrange game and spot up shooter. The problem is we don't have a point guard so yes he'd be a horrible fit that much I agree with you on He's way more than a ISO guard... plays more of a Rip Hamilton/Paul Pierce game than a Jamal Crawford clear out and let me chuck game. Doesn't have the same athleticism compared to the Top athletes but is crafty and heady and a competitor.
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6/10/2008  6:33 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28

Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.


CDR according to Dick Vitale right before the tournament started said he was a Top 5 player in college. During the tournament he was projected as a Mid 30 pick. As current as today I've seen him as high as 13 on a couple Mocks. I've seen him as low as 28 the spot where Memphis is slated to pick with their other first rounder. Anyone who saw Memphis play knows this guy has game and he literally carried them a few games during the tournament and truly all yr. Now how on earth does a player like CDR have a 27 player separation from a player like Rose? I just don't get it. And I asked why Memphis wanted him to come for a workout to show CDR who was recently worked out by Toronto with the 17th pick has an avg Mock draft selection at 22, highest selection in the consensus linked I showed is 17. Such disparity I tell you, obviously Memphis was doing their due diligence to extend an Olive branch to his camp in hopes to take a sneak peak at him since the draft is so fluid and deep.

CDR is an iso guard--horrible fit for the Knicks. There are a lot of top 5 college players who dont even make the pros. Im more interested in seeing Kevin Love--he has incredible IQ and if he really improved his physical package that much--hg moves way up in my book.

Love is going to be a sure thing it's just a matter of what that is. I think he fits perfect for Memphis. He'd actually be a good fit in Chicago and Minnesota. As car as CDR he'd be great in D'Antoni's offensive system because he knows how to run off screens and has a great midrange game and spot up shooter. The problem is we don't have a point guard so yes he'd be a horrible fit that much I agree with you on He's way more than a ISO guard... plays more of a Rip Hamilton/Paul Pierce game than a Jamal Crawford clear out and let me chuck game. Doesn't have the same athleticism compared to the Top athletes but is crafty and heady and a competitor.

If Love is really moving this well--what skill does he not pocess for this system where he could play C? The reason why I discounted him was mobility+speed but if that has changed as much as what is being purported--what do you say? This is a very very hard draft with a LOT of really good players--at the end of the day the NY Knicks need to find the BPA even if it takes them until 5 minutes vefore the draft. It is there absolute obligation to bring in LOve to be reevaluated--we BETTER. If we are going on game tape and he lost 15-20 pounds and is a completely different player--how could they not get him into NY for a very serious workout?

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-10-2008 6:35 PM]
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6/10/2008  7:16 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28
Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.


hahahaha...hmmm, but you could be wrong...... NOT..



anyway, good try True blue and nice find on the article.....

Briggs, your boy mcgee may slip down in this draft...

[Edited by - tkf on 10-06-2008 4:33 PM]


TKF actually it was a setup question. I made a thread specifically showing multiple picks from each team. I new Memphis had another first rounder. There always more than meets the eye when I ask questions.


At least this is what my other half tells me.

hahahah.. OH, that was it huh? LOL.. Ok I will buy that..

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6/10/2008  11:28 PM
Love's skills are incredible. He scores inside, outside, passes well out of the double team and rebounds well. And he did these things before shedding all that weight to improve his athleticism. Here's a link to a comment by John Wooden comparing Love's ability on the outlet pass to Bill Walton and Wes Unseld.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGAY_kHrMok
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6/11/2008  10:25 AM
Love is definitely Memphis's pick unless they can move up for Beasley and they might not want to.
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6/11/2008  11:13 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Probably because Memphis has pick 28

Sounds like Love is raising his stock--and it is my belief that every player regardless of position needs to be worked out seriously by the NY knicks. We cant view game tape on Love if he is 15 pounds lighter--we have to evaluate him for what he is now.


CDR according to Dick Vitale right before the tournament started said he was a Top 5 player in college. During the tournament he was projected as a Mid 30 pick. As current as today I've seen him as high as 13 on a couple Mocks. I've seen him as low as 28 the spot where Memphis is slated to pick with their other first rounder. Anyone who saw Memphis play knows this guy has game and he literally carried them a few games during the tournament and truly all yr. Now how on earth does a player like CDR have a 27 player separation from a player like Rose? I just don't get it. And I asked why Memphis wanted him to come for a workout to show CDR who was recently worked out by Toronto with the 17th pick has an avg Mock draft selection at 22, highest selection in the consensus linked I showed is 17. Such disparity I tell you, obviously Memphis was doing their due diligence to extend an Olive branch to his camp in hopes to take a sneak peak at him since the draft is so fluid and deep.

CDR is an iso guard--horrible fit for the Knicks. There are a lot of top 5 college players who dont even make the pros. Im more interested in seeing Kevin Love--he has incredible IQ and if he really improved his physical package that much--hg moves way up in my book.

Love is going to be a sure thing it's just a matter of what that is. I think he fits perfect for Memphis. He'd actually be a good fit in Chicago and Minnesota. As car as CDR he'd be great in D'Antoni's offensive system because he knows how to run off screens and has a great midrange game and spot up shooter. The problem is we don't have a point guard so yes he'd be a horrible fit that much I agree with you on He's way more than a ISO guard... plays more of a Rip Hamilton/Paul Pierce game than a Jamal Crawford clear out and let me chuck game. Doesn't have the same athleticism compared to the Top athletes but is crafty and heady and a competitor.

If Love is really moving this well--what skill does he not pocess for this system where he could play C? The reason why I discounted him was mobility+speed but if that has changed as much as what is being purported--what do you say? This is a very very hard draft with a LOT of really good players--at the end of the day the NY Knicks need to find the BPA even if it takes them until 5 minutes vefore the draft. It is there absolute obligation to bring in LOve to be reevaluated--we BETTER. If we are going on game tape and he lost 15-20 pounds and is a completely different player--how could they not get him into NY for a very serious workout?

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-10-2008 6:35 PM]

My top 6 mock draft has stayed the same since the lottery and I'm starting to have more hope as Love starts to impress. I've always had Love going to the Grizz at #5.

This means the key is really Minny at #3 and I think they take Lopez.

Chicago Rose
Miami Beasley
Minny Lopez
Seattle Bayless
Memphis Love
New York Mayo

Believe in the Mayo.
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Posted by LivingLegend:


My top 6 mock draft has stayed the same since the lottery and I'm starting to have more hope as Love starts to impress. I've always had Love going to the Grizz at #5.

This means the key is really Minny at #3 and I think they take Lopez.

Chicago Rose
Miami Beasley
Minny Lopez
Seattle Bayless
Memphis Love
New York Mayo

Believe in the Mayo.

Neither Minny or Memphis are going to draft a G. Both are overstocked at the positions. I think that Minny may take Love and play him at center next to Al. Lopez is more of a finesse player, I gather, and I think Memphis can definitely use him more than any guard on the board.

Miami is the key here. I said it in my Beasley falling to us thread. Miami can't trade after us to get Mayo, imo. That leaves them with only 3 potential partners. Minny, Seattle, Memphis.

Why would Minny trade up? They have no interest in Mayo. Their guy will be at 3. Be it Love, Lopez, or a falling Beasley by daring Miami to take Mayo at 2. There is no reason for Minny to pay the premium to move up one spot.

Seattle likes Bayless. They have the SF(Durant, Green), PF(Wilcox, Collison) spots pretty much set. Imo they really need a center (Lopez), but Bayless just has so much more potential. Bayless will be there at 4. If Miami takes Mayo, Beasley could drop to them anyway.

Memphis. They have the right pieces to make a deal with Miami in that Miami loves Mike Miller. Rudy Gay needs a compliment. Beasley would be nice but a guy like Love would probably be their best fit, imo. If I was Memphis, I'd rather have Miller, Gay and Love than just Gay and Beasley.
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6/11/2008  1:29 PM
SEA needs an upgrade at SG... if Mayo drops to SEA they're gonna take him IMO... i don't personally see any way he'll drop to us at #6... Bayless might tho.
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