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Miami is in a bit of a pickle.....surprisingly little market for Beasley at the right spot.
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LivingLegend
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6/10/2008  12:40 PM
So there is all this talk about the Heat wanting to take OJ Mayo at #2.

But before they do so - they'd prefer to take advantage of trading down a few spots - picking up some extra players for the #2 pick while still grabbing Mayo at either 3, 4 or 5 (ahead of our beloved Knicks).

Let's assume Miami really does love Mayo but not at the cost of passing on Beasley without some type of deal (compensation).

What are there options?

Option #1 Trade down with the T-Wolves and move down to #3.

Problem - Minnesota doesn't really need another power forward because they don't want Al Jefferson playing center. If they viewed Beasley as a SF - the deal might make some sense but there are 2 big issues with this. One - will Beasley's presence impact Al Jefferson and his performance? Two - they just took SF Corey Brewer with the #6 (?) pick last year.

I believe Minnesota has 2 guys on their radar - either Brook Lopez to play center next to Jefferson or Mayo to play the 1 or 2.

I don't see Minny offering Miami anything great to move up one spot when Beasley may not be the best fit for them and he could impact chemistry.

Option #2 - Trade down with Seattle for the #4 pick.

The Seattle position is similar to Minnesota in my mind. The last thing Seattle needs is another PF/SF as they are already stocked with a combination of Wilcox, Durant and Greene. In addition - would bringing Beasley in mess with Durants place on the team and create some type of chemistry issues?

I see Seattle looking guard at #4 or possibly in a surprise pick Brook Lopez.

Option #3 - Trade down with Memphis for the #5 pick.

Memphis definitely has a need for a strong #4 player and adding Beasley to a Rudy Gay, Mike Conley mix would probably be exciting to watch.

BUT - what would the Grizz have to give up and would they want to give up pieces like Miller and Lowry when they could just sit tight and pick Kevin Love at #5. Also if the Heat deal with the Grizz they have no guarantee that Mayo is there at #5 unless deal is done after picks are made.

If I'm the Grizz - I sit tight and pick Kevin Love because he's a perfect fit for this team. The team already has plenty of athleticsm - what they need is a leader and a banger and a guy that will make other people better. I think Kevin Love is a guy that elevates Memphis and if I'm Memphis I'm not offering Miami anything significant to pass on Love and draft Beasley and his questionable character.

I may be way off - but I think Miami ends up taking Beasley because nobody in close range will significant assets for him.
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6/10/2008  12:49 PM
if I were Mia I would just take Mayo. He might be better than Beas anyway. Take the guy you want
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6/10/2008  12:49 PM
I had almost this exact post about a week or so ago, analyzing if Mayo could fall to us. I agree with everything you say 100%. I think there is a great chance that we get Mayo.
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6/10/2008  2:19 PM
Dammit, falling that extra spot from 5 to 6 could prove costly. I've said it before, thank goodness that McFail is ahead of us, because I have a strong inclination that he is plotting something, off-the-charts stupid, which could warrant a Mayo or Beasley falling in our laps
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6/10/2008  2:19 PM
Posted by joec32033:

I had almost this exact post about a week or so ago, analyzing if Mayo could fall to us. I agree with everything you say 100%. I think there is a great chance that we get Mayo.

We only have a few more weeks of praying for Mayo.

I'll be ok if we pick a few guys but I'd be thrilled to watch OJ play in a Knicks uniform every night. I think he could be Clyde-like for the Knicks. I really do.

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6/10/2008  2:21 PM
Beasley isnt going to be the all star Briggs predicted. He reminds me of a smaller poor mans Derrick Coleman
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6/10/2008  2:31 PM
Posted by King1:

Beasley isnt going to be the all star Briggs predicted. He reminds me of a smaller poor mans Derrick Coleman

You could take 95% of NBA players --put them back at Texas AM and they still couldnt do what Beasley did. Beasley is easily a 25 point NBA scorer--he's special. Taking OJ mayo above Beasley[I dont think it will happen] will be a mistake and Beasley will be ROY hands down.
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6/10/2008  3:02 PM
i think the knicks can move up to 3. they may have to part with dlee but i think it can be done.
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6/10/2008  3:07 PM
SO Briggs with a 25.0 scoring average he is in the HOF the Bulls are morons for not taking a HOF 25.0 scorer and trading the other guys away.
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6/10/2008  3:12 PM
Beasely, it's what's going on in his head that has people skerred.
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6/10/2008  3:47 PM
I dont think Miami is going to have any problem choosing Beasly or Mayo with the #2 - we are not getting either player so dont waste time hoping. Time to be realistic.
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6/10/2008  4:51 PM
that's what they're gonna have to do cuz they can't risk MIN taking Mayo at #3 if they try to get cute & trade down to 4 or 5.

if Beasley falls to 3 i can see MIN trading down w/us to #6 & still landing Lopez or Love... if that happens i think Walsh is gonna try & package Zach w/D Lee to free up cap & a playing role for his new addition, maybe offering Philly that package for Evans & their #16... i could easily live w/that trade off too.

then trade Malik & Chandler for Artest, Marbs for JO & Indy's #11, & Curry & Mardy for TJ Ford & you end up with this:

C - O'Neal / #16 pick (McGee or Speights) / Turd
PF - #3 pick (Beasley) / Evans / Jefferies
SF - Artest / Balkman / #11 pick (Alexander or Gallinari)
SG - Jamal / Q Rich
PG - Ford / Nate

w/that team you are competitive now & have the assets & cap flexibility to make moves down the road for a bigtime talent... of course this post will probably go ignored until someone like BRIGGS, dj or fishmike posts the same exact ideas on a separate thread & claims the ideas for his own & be hailed as a genius.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-10-2008 2:26 PM]
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6/10/2008  5:45 PM
Posted by TMS:

that's what they're gonna have to do cuz they can't risk MIN taking Mayo at #3 if they try to get cute & trade down to 4 or 5.

if Beasley falls to 3 i can see MIN trading down w/us to #6 & still landing Lopez or Love... if that happens i think Walsh is gonna try & package Zach w/D Lee to free up cap & a playing role for his new addition, maybe offering Philly that package for Evans & their #16... i could easily live w/that trade off too.

then trade Malik & Chandler for Artest, Marbs for JO & Indy's #11, & Curry & Mardy for TJ Ford & you end up with this:

C - O'Neal / #16 pick (McGee or Speights) / Turd
PF - #3 pick (Beasley) / Evans / Jefferies
SF - Artest / Balkman / #11 pick (Alexander or Gallinari)
SG - Jamal / Q Rich
PG - Ford / Nate

w/that team you are competitive now & have the assets & cap flexibility to make moves down the road for a bigtime talent... of course this post will probably go ignored until someone like BRIGGS, dj or fishmike posts the same exact ideas on a separate thread & claims the ideas for his own & be hailed as a genius.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-10-2008 2:26 PM]

I think Walsh would have a heart attack if he tried to make all those trades! Basically, all of them would have to happen on draft night.

I'd love to see something like that happen- but I don't think all of isiah's damage could be so quickly fixed.
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6/10/2008  5:47 PM
i'll be happy to assist Walsh with the trade talks to make this happen.
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6/10/2008  6:34 PM
These NBA GM's have no clue what they are doing. Every year we see a team pick a player that they don't even need and straight up keep them......Every year someone slips.

If everyone picks who they want and stop looking to get over then its quite possible Beasley can slip all the way to #6.

Bulls - rose
Miami - Mayo
Minn - Lopez
Seattle - Bayless
Memphis - Love
Knicks - ???Beasley???

Why not the Knicks man why not the Knicks!
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6/10/2008  6:37 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

These NBA GM's have no clue what they are doing. Every year we see a team pick a player that they don't even need and straight up keep them......Every year someone slips.

If everyone picks who they want and stop looking to get over then its quite possible Beasley can slip all the way to #6.

Bulls - rose
Miami - Mayo
Minn - Lopez
Seattle - Bayless
Memphis - Love
Knicks - ???Beasley???

Why not the Knicks man why not the Knicks!

I knew I'd make a believer out of someone with that.thread. Eny, in my book this is a real possibility. Keep the Faith.
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6/10/2008  6:43 PM
Posted by TMS:

that's what they're gonna have to do cuz they can't risk MIN taking Mayo at #3 if they try to get cute & trade down to 4 or 5.

if Beasley falls to 3 i can see MIN trading down w/us to #6 & still landing Lopez or Love... if that happens i think Walsh is gonna try & package Zach w/D Lee to free up cap & a playing role for his new addition, maybe offering Philly that package for Evans & their #16... i could easily live w/that trade off too.

then trade Malik & Chandler for Artest, Marbs for JO & Indy's #11, & Curry & Mardy for TJ Ford & you end up with this:

C - O'Neal / #16 pick (McGee or Speights) / Turd
PF - #3 pick (Beasley) / Evans / Jefferies
SF - Artest / Balkman / #11 pick (Alexander or Gallinari)
SG - Jamal / Q Rich
PG - Ford / Nate

w/that team you are competitive now & have the assets & cap flexibility to make moves down the road for a bigtime talent... of course this post will probably go ignored until someone like BRIGGS, dj or fishmike posts the same exact ideas on a separate thread & claims the ideas for his own & be hailed as a genius.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-10-2008 2:26 PM]


Some pretty good trade ideas here. It would be amazing if Walsh can pull off these trades. With that said, can't see Indy giving us J.O and the 11th pick straight up for Marb. But these trades woukld really remake our roster and they seem somewhat feasable with a tweak here and there. But it all depends on what Miami does at 2. If we could somehow just land Beasely, that would be a remarkable.
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6/10/2008  6:43 PM
Posted by TMS:

that's what they're gonna have to do cuz they can't risk MIN taking Mayo at #3 if they try to get cute & trade down to 4 or 5.

if Beasley falls to 3 i can see MIN trading down w/us to #6 & still landing Lopez or Love... if that happens i think Walsh is gonna try & package Zach w/D Lee to free up cap & a playing role for his new addition, maybe offering Philly that package for Evans & their #16... i could easily live w/that trade off too.

then trade Malik & Chandler for Artest, Marbs for JO & Indy's #11, & Curry & Mardy for TJ Ford & you end up with this:

C - O'Neal / #16 pick (McGee or Speights) / Turd
PF - #3 pick (Beasley) / Evans / Jefferies
SF - Artest / Balkman / #11 pick (Alexander or Gallinari)
SG - Jamal / Q Rich
PG - Ford / Nate

w/that team you are competitive now & have the assets & cap flexibility to make moves down the road for a bigtime talent... of course this post will probably go ignored until someone like BRIGGS, dj or fishmike posts the same exact ideas on a separate thread & claims the ideas for his own & be hailed as a genius.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-10-2008 2:26 PM]

Love it. Hit the "Trade Denied, Override? YES" three times and get it done.

You know I gonna spin wit it
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6/10/2008  6:47 PM
lol... i take it u don't think MIN, PHI, SAC, IND & TOR would make those trades w/us? 5 major trades in 1 day... i think Walsh can do it! GET IT DONE WALSH!
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6/11/2008  10:48 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by EnySpree:

These NBA GM's have no clue what they are doing. Every year we see a team pick a player that they don't even need and straight up keep them......Every year someone slips.

If everyone picks who they want and stop looking to get over then its quite possible Beasley can slip all the way to #6.

Bulls - rose
Miami - Mayo
Minn - Lopez
Seattle - Bayless
Memphis - Love
Knicks - ???Beasley???

Why not the Knicks man why not the Knicks!

I knew I'd make a believer out of someone with that.thread. Eny, in my book this is a real possibility. Keep the Faith.

Why would Seattle pass up on him? Cause of Wilcox?
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Miami is in a bit of a pickle.....surprisingly little market for Beasley at the right spot.

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