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6/9/2008  7:12 PM
Saw this on Realgm, figured I would post this here:

Bayless and Gordon workouts

Jerryd Bayless and Eric Gordon, two interesting candidates for the sixth overall pick will come in on Tuesday afternoon for workouts at the MSG Training Center.

They are the only two players the Knicks have announced they will work out and, according to the media availability schedule, it appears they will work out separately.

Both players are intriguing for the Knicks. Bayless went to Arizona (aka, "Point Guard U") and grew up in Phoenix watching Steve Nash and the Suns, has the athleticism to fit right into the D'Antoni system as a combo guard. He has worked out with Nash and studied the D'Antoni style, which he expected to play at Arizona until coach Lute Olsen took a leave of absence. Interim coach Kevin O'Neill changed the style to more of a half-court oriented style.

Gordon, who had an outstanding freshman year at Indiana, has terrific range and yet is also amazingly explosive to the rim. Some view him as a two-guard, which is where he played at Indiana, but Donnie Walsh has known Gordon since he was a high school kid in Indianapolis and is very high on him. Walsh said Gordon played the two in college because that's where they needed him, but didn't feel that should impact how he is viewed in the draft. Walsh went as far as comparing Gordon's situation to that of Chauncey Billups, who was viewed as a scoring guard but developed into an elite combo guard that could run an offense just as much as he can score.

We'll be up there for the workouts, so check back here Tuesday night for some scoopage


Interesting that Walsh compares Gordon to Billups. While I am a fan of Gordon, I dont really see him as a Billups clone. Gordon is a scorer/shooter and forcing him to play the point, I think takes away from some of the things he can give to a team. He's too good of a shooter to have to think about when to shoot and when to pass, when to ste guys up etc. With that said, I think Walsh's ties to the kid definietly puts him in play at 6 for us.
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6/9/2008  7:23 PM
I would have to slightly disagree with you on the idea of Gordon being too good of a shooter to move to PG. Steve Nash and many other PG's are some of the best shooters on there teams and score a ton of points in addition to running the team. Come playoff time guys like CP3, Deron, Nash, Billups etc often put up high scoring totals in an effort to get their teams over the top. I think if you go back and look at the best PG's this league has ever seen most of them scored well in addition to setting up teammates.
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6/9/2008  7:55 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I would have to slightly disagree with you on the idea of Gordon being too good of a shooter to move to PG. Steve Nash and many other PG's are some of the best shooters on there teams and score a ton of points in addition to running the team. Come playoff time guys like CP3, Deron, Nash, Billups etc often put up high scoring totals in an effort to get their teams over the top. I think if you go back and look at the best PG's this league has ever seen most of them scored well in addition to setting up teammates.

Its much easier to be a scorer than to be a set-up man tho. Or at least so it seems. will gordon be a good scorer? likely, yes. Will he be a good PG - hard to say. Thing is, good players usually have more than 1 area that they excell at. If gordon can be as good of a PG as he is a scorer then he is a steal at #6 imho

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6/9/2008  9:06 PM
EG is a freak athlete better than Westbrook, a good shooter, and a great feel for the game. He will make someone very happy
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6/10/2008  10:21 AM
If Gordon could actually play PG, he would be a steal at 6. He is as much of a scorer as Mayo and Bayless. However, everything I have heard and seen suggested that he was not a pg. If he actually has that potential, we should seriously consider him. Either Walsh knows more than the scouts or he is putting out draft BS.
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6/10/2008  11:09 AM
EG is NOT a better athlete than RW. Not when it comes to speed, quicks, lateral movement. And while it was surprising that he tested well, he doesn't play like an elite athlete. His game is more about power & chucking.

To dismiss another myth, he absolutely doesn't have a handle or bball IQ to play PG. Just not the way he's wired.

Now, can he be a productive 2, maybe a stronger Michael Redd? Sure.
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6/10/2008  11:11 AM
Purple he jumps higher, runs faster, and was better in the lateral quickness moves but Westbrook is a better athlete. EG is a freak athlete
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6/10/2008  11:24 AM
He really doesn't play like it. He doesn't beat people w/ quicks, doesn't finish in traffic above the rim, doesn't handle the ball well. Maybe that last item is correct-able.

Also, I don't see any playmaking (for others) ability like you clearly see in Rose's game, like you see Mayo flash. He's a me first chucker.

What does he bring to the table? Good kid, NBA ready body, nice form on the shot (but not good %), extreme range.
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6/10/2008  11:28 AM
but hey, a workout beside & against Bayless is a telltale litmus test

clearly, if there's a decided quickness, ball handling advantage for Bayless, then EG won't be in the picture for # 6

if he shows well vs. an athletic stud like Bayless, he's a consideration at 6

King - I think we'd both like to be there to watch these 2 square off
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6/10/2008  11:37 AM
another comparison that comes to mind with EG is the pre-back injury version of QRich (which was pretty good, so this is not meant as an insult)....I'm talking Clipper days
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6/10/2008  11:57 AM
EG gets to the rim at will in college. He shot more free throws than Bayless and Westbrook. Yes I wish I knew someone who could tell me how that workout went today.
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6/10/2008  12:16 PM
Posted by King1:

EG gets to the rim at will in college. He shot more free throws than Bayless and Westbrook. Yes I wish I knew someone who could tell me how that workout went today.

King 1 what scenario would you rather have[let me see if you really like gordon] trade Gordon with pick 6+ Randolph to philidelphia for pick 16 and evans. Im giving you Eric Gordon on the Knicks in this scenario as pick 6. You also can be patient and look for a different zach trade or possibly buy him out after this year if nothing happens. 1 year of zach and 10 years of Gordon

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-10-2008 12:20 PM]
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6/10/2008  12:27 PM
Posted by King1:

Purple he jumps higher, runs faster, and was better in the lateral quickness moves but Westbrook is a better athlete. EG is a freak athlete

King, Gordon might jump higher in workouts and stuff like that but I've never seen it in his game, all I saw him do was bomb 3's.
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6/10/2008  2:33 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by King1:

Purple he jumps higher, runs faster, and was better in the lateral quickness moves but Westbrook is a better athlete. EG is a freak athlete

King, Gordon might jump higher in workouts and stuff like that but I've never seen it in his game, all I saw him do was bomb 3's.

I've seen him take it the rack quite a few times. Remember, this guy was top 5 in the nation in freethrow attempts so he was doing somehting to create contact. You dont go to the line as much as he did just standing behind the three point line.

As someone mentioned earlier, if this kid can play the point, he will be the steal of the draft. While I'm not fully convinced that he can play the point,(As I stated, I see him more as a scorer/shooter) he seems convinced that he can and Walsh seems to think he might be able to pull it off too. Hopefully, during todays work outs, the Knick brass put him through some rigorous point-guard-like drills to see if he has any potential to work with at that spot.

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6/10/2008  2:37 PM
Please I am a total moron and I dont know how to use Youtube please someone post EG dunks and how athletic he is
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6/10/2008  2:39 PM
Posted by King1:

Please I am a total moron and I dont know how to use Youtube please someone post EG dunks and how athletic he is

No need people are being critical making generic false statements as to why they don't prefer him.
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[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-10-2008 2:41 PM]
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6/10/2008  3:20 PM
I'm sure every single shot he took was not a 3 pointer lol. I'm just saying, when I watched Indiana, I saw Gordon take alot of long range shots and didn't use any of this athleticism that he has.
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6/10/2008  3:26 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I'm sure every single shot he took was not a 3 pointer lol. I'm just saying, when I watched Indiana, I saw Gordon take alot of long range shots and didn't use any of this athleticism that he has.

When I watched Derrick Rose I don't think I saw him take more than 5 jumpers from anywhere on the court. And I saw him play at least 3 times this season. I'm not going to qualify him as a player who never takes jumpers though. We have the internet.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-10-2008 2:26 PM]
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6/10/2008  3:33 PM
How's this for telling stats:

Mayo - 40% of his shots were 3 pointers. On 3 pointers, he made 40%.

Bayless - 38% of his shots were 3 pointers. On 3 pointers, he made 41%.

Gordon - 49% of his shots were 3 pointers. On 3 pointers, he made 33%.
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