Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by SlimPack:

I'd do any of those trades. I'm worried that Zach's value right now would be even lower than that.

Interesting that would mean Lee isn't considered being better than anyone we would pick at 16. If the player at 16 could be better than Lee then what's the problem swapping the 6 for 16?

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by colorfl1:

Hell No!!!
I would not consider that trade...

Zach has more value then guys are giving him credit for... he is still a young 20-10 scorer who could flourish when placed in the right system with an effective coach...

I would rather look for deals that involve moving him for expiring contacts and a pick.

Zeke had a way of always making moves out of desperation and lacking the discipline and patience to work from a position of stregnth.
This factor resulted in our overcompensating teams for Curry, Marbury and MLE (too may years) signings...

Anyone who has listened to what Walsh has been saying knows that Donnie is not a fan of selling low...
he believes in selling high and buying low...

Donnie feels that the players played in a chaotic system last year and that their performances should be taken with a grain of salt.

Unless we are patient, and deal from strength then we certainly won't receive fair value for them.

Since the new coach has a way of putting players in positions to excel and hide their weaknesses, look for Walsh to hold on to undervalued players until the all-star break (at the very least). Donnie will patiently wait for their stock to rise & work from a position of strength to be in a position to build a respectable contender.

So you'd be amenable to trading a "young 20-10 scorer who could flourish", apparently even more, "when placed in the right system with an effective coach" (isn't that what Mike D'Antonio and his system are supposed to be?), for some expiring contracts and a pick? Shouldn't we be looking to acquire players like that and not giving them away for expiring contracts and a pick?

Why would you put a "young 20-10" scorer's value at just expirings and a pick? Is that what you call selling high?

Posted by TrueBlue:

And we have to sacrifice one or two of our younger core with a bad contract for Evans and 16 would you do a trade? Let's say discussions take place but then Walsh gives the Sixers a counter offer because he wants to keep the pick and suggest trades..

Such as...


Lee and Zach

4

Evans and 16

or

Nate, Balk/Chandler, Zach

4

Evans and 16


Would you do either trade?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-07-2008 10:35 PM]

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by BRIGGS:

This is getting obtuse.

i.e. you don't want to explain why nobody, including yourself, considers this young 20-10 player to be a building block for a rebuilding franchise or why his trade value is much much lower than what you've built him up to be. Or why there's a big risk that his trade value goes even lower, the longer he's here because of his on and off the court behavior.

Posted by Cosmic:

To add to this trade thread instead of starting another.

Jermaine ONeal seems to think he might be traded to Cleveland this summer.
The rumor is the same as always for Cleveland: Eric Snow and Wally to _______.

However, Indy is apparently thought to be willing to use the #11 pick to get rid of Oneal's contract.

While ONeal is certainly a bust at this point given a total lack of dependable health: He does expire in 2010. What about Marbury for ONeal and the #11?

Then ride either the Philly rumor or think about Zach to Cleveland for the Wally/Snow package?


Remember, I'm not suggesting these to improve us short term but to set us up for the future more than anything.

Keep our 6th, acquire the #11th while taking on ONeal for an extra year more than Marbury, acquire Wally/Snow expirings for Zach.

Even in the short term if those guys were healthy we wouldn't be in the worst position either.

Now thats a plan of action there. I like the deals put on the table. I would like to get that number 11 pick and turn it into Speights or McGee. Draft a PG with the 6th now you have a team headed in the right direction here.

Posted by Cosmic:

To add to this trade thread instead of starting another.

Jermaine ONeal seems to think he might be traded to Cleveland this summer.
The rumor is the same as always for Cleveland: Eric Snow and Wally to _______.

However, Indy is apparently thought to be willing to use the #11 pick to get rid of Oneal's contract.

While ONeal is certainly a bust at this point given a total lack of dependable health: He does expire in 2010. What about Marbury for ONeal and the #11?

Then ride either the Philly rumor or think about Zach to Cleveland for the Wally/Snow package?


Remember, I'm not suggesting these to improve us short term but to set us up for the future more than anything.

Keep our 6th, acquire the #11th while taking on ONeal for an extra year more than Marbury, acquire Wally/Snow expirings for Zach.

Even in the short term if those guys were healthy we wouldn't be in the worst position either.

Now that is a plan, because it doesn't affect 2010 at all. I would do that in an instant and then approach the sixers and offer them zach, pick 11 for evans and pick 16, so we get rid of zach and have pick 6 and 16.. if the sixers don't like that deal.. again, I tell them to kick rocks!!

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Cosmic:

To add to this trade thread instead of starting another.

Jermaine ONeal seems to think he might be traded to Cleveland this summer.
The rumor is the same as always for Cleveland: Eric Snow and Wally to _______.

However, Indy is apparently thought to be willing to use the #11 pick to get rid of Oneal's contract.

While ONeal is certainly a bust at this point given a total lack of dependable health: He does expire in 2010. What about Marbury for ONeal and the #11?

Then ride either the Philly rumor or think about Zach to Cleveland for the Wally/Snow package?


Remember, I'm not suggesting these to improve us short term but to set us up for the future more than anything.

Keep our 6th, acquire the #11th while taking on ONeal for an extra year more than Marbury, acquire Wally/Snow expirings for Zach.

Even in the short term if those guys were healthy we wouldn't be in the worst position either.

Now that is a solid plan. I don't mind taking on salary if we addeda high pick and it doesnt run over 3 years. This is the exact type of deal I would be looking for.

LOL... i suggested the exact same trade several times already in the past couple days (including within this very thread), but i guess i'm still a ghost to you... ur so damn ridiculous.

Posted by TMS:

Zach & the #6 for Evans, the #16 & a future protected pick
Curry for TJ Ford
Marbs & Chandler for J O'Neal & the #11
sign Sasha Vujacic to MLE

[Edited by - TMS on 06-08-2008 09:58 AM]