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6/5/2008  9:53 PM
a scrub and a significantly lower pick. This is like Joe Barry carrol for Kevin Mchale type of stuff. It's NOT like we are opening up cap space for a 28 yO Steve Nash to walk in next year--no--this is to HOPE we can get under the cap in 2 years and then HOPE again a top tier FA will spurn less money to come on to a team with a purged roster.

If we do this deal---we havent changed a bit --The Sixers will take Eric Gordon and he will be a star on their roster and Mo Cheeks will have Randolph playing 20-10 but the way he did when Portland was in the WESTERN CONFERNCE FINALS. Funny thing is about our roster the only two players to get that far was Zach and Malik.

We better really sit back and think about it because this has the potential to bite us just as HARD than ANY trade Isiah has made possibly harder since its a division rival.

When you look at a fans +- of a deal and you see Knick fans mainly on the - side and Philly fans [who are brutal] on a 70% approval side--if you have a smart GM who has worked hard with Rod Thorn willing to go with this and Mo Cheeks who has coached Zach

we are walking into a scker deal

Talk about panic trading to see possible FA room in 2 years.

This has NEVER been done in the NBA no trade is a comp to this--so they better frikin think VERY hard about what they are getting themselves into.
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6/5/2008  10:17 PM
Figured I'd keep my reply in the original thread, but BRIGGS, I have to ask. What does the 20 year old C part of this thread have to do with anything regarding this trade?
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6/5/2008  10:24 PM
There is no way the Knicks should be even thinging about trading their 6th pick unkless it yeilds a young star player in the mold of Carmelo. Randloph for 16th, a future first and Evans is a deal I say yes to. Reason being NYK fans really don't understand talent they understand the players controversy more than the player. Zach is a very good player for the right team it just so happens the Knicks are not the right team for him.
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6/5/2008  10:36 PM
LOL! Zach Randolph, our 20 year old 20 & 10 C... that's a good one.
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6/5/2008  10:39 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

Figured I'd keep my reply in the original thread, but BRIGGS, I have to ask. What does the 20 year old C part of this thread have to do with anything regarding this trade?

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6/5/2008  11:00 PM
Portland was in the WCF with Zach Randolph as their main scoring option? That's news to me.
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Portland was in the WCF with Zach Randolph as their main scoring option? That's news to me.

But it was in all capital letters so it must be true.
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6/5/2008  11:36 PM
To play devils advocate... when in the history of this league has a team been in a worse salary cap situation than the Knicks?
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6/5/2008  11:37 PM
make fun all you want, but I see briggs point.... this deal, if it has any legs stinks... Period....
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6/5/2008  11:42 PM
Posted by tkf:

make fun all you want, but I see briggs point.... this deal, if it has any legs stinks... Period....

I dont like it either.. it's stupid. I'd do the deal if we went from say pick 6 to pick 9 or something, but not 6 to 16, thats just dumb.

at the same time, I could see why Walsh would do it. Theres a new regime here and they are probably eager to start fresh and clean. Zach is anything but fresh and clean.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06-05-2008 11:43 PM]
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6/5/2008  11:54 PM
that whole "20 & 10" crap sounds a lot like the same bull being spewed around here by all the geniuses who were defending the Zach trade when it was made to begin with... "they scared now", remember? please.

i'm not in favor of dealing the #6 pick to unload Zach's contract either but you'd have to be a complete moron not to see the benefits of unloading Zach's contract off our books... all this senseless talk about what core of players we would have to present to a primetime FA in the future kills me, as if playing alongside Zach Randolph would be a huge drawing ticket to come to NY for any player in the NBA we'd wanna target.

if there's a team like the Nets who would be interested in trading up looking to give up 2 picks for 1 & you could somehow unload Zach's deal using 1 of those picks i would definitely look into it... or if there's a way to trade a guy like Nate or Jamal even to acquire an additional 1st rounder that could be used to unload Zach, you have to do it... clearing that contract off our books should be 1 of our main priorities at this point... to completely discount its importance is sheer lunacy.
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6/6/2008  12:08 AM
I don't remember anyone posting that they did not like the trade because of Zach's contract. My only issue was that Curry needed a defensive minded power forward paired with him that could block shots because these were his weaknesses. Curry had just had a really good season and seemed to be poised to build on it. Acquiring Zach seemed like just adding another name star without regard for the team. I was not aware of the cap impact and if I remember right no one else was because the Knicks were not going to be under the cap any time soon. If someone posted a cap issue about this trade please provide the link because I do not recall it.
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6/6/2008  12:12 AM
I don't remember anyone posting that they did not like the trade because of Zach's contract.

that was probably 1 of the main reasons why people hated the trade... go back & look it up.
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6/6/2008  12:18 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

a scrub and a significantly lower pick. This is like Joe Barry carrol for Kevin Mchale type of stuff. It's NOT like we are opening up cap space for a 28 yO Steve Nash to walk in next year--no--this is to HOPE we can get under the cap in 2 years and then HOPE again a top tier FA will spurn less money to come on to a team with a purged roster.

If we do this deal---we havent changed a bit --The Sixers will take Eric Gordon and he will be a star on their roster and Mo Cheeks will have Randolph playing 20-10 but the way he did when Portland was in the WESTERN CONFERNCE FINALS. Funny thing is about our roster the only two players to get that far was Zach and Malik.

We better really sit back and think about it because this has the potential to bite us just as HARD than ANY trade Isiah has made possibly harder since its a division rival.

When you look at a fans +- of a deal and you see Knick fans mainly on the - side and Philly fans [who are brutal] on a 70% approval side--if you have a smart GM who has worked hard with Rod Thorn willing to go with this and Mo Cheeks who has coached Zach

we are walking into a scker deal

Talk about panic trading to see possible FA room in 2 years.

This has NEVER been done in the NBA no trade is a comp to this--so they better frikin think VERY hard about what they are getting themselves into.



When are you going to adequately show there's significantly less value in gaining two picks between 10-20 vs the 6th pick? You've yet to do it and now you're just scrambling and throwing a temper tantrum.
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6/6/2008  12:25 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:

a scrub and a significantly lower pick. This is like Joe Barry carrol for Kevin Mchale type of stuff. It's NOT like we are opening up cap space for a 28 yO Steve Nash to walk in next year--no--this is to HOPE we can get under the cap in 2 years and then HOPE again a top tier FA will spurn less money to come on to a team with a purged roster.

If we do this deal---we havent changed a bit --The Sixers will take Eric Gordon and he will be a star on their roster and Mo Cheeks will have Randolph playing 20-10 but the way he did when Portland was in the WESTERN CONFERNCE FINALS. Funny thing is about our roster the only two players to get that far was Zach and Malik.

We better really sit back and think about it because this has the potential to bite us just as HARD than ANY trade Isiah has made possibly harder since its a division rival.

When you look at a fans +- of a deal and you see Knick fans mainly on the - side and Philly fans [who are brutal] on a 70% approval side--if you have a smart GM who has worked hard with Rod Thorn willing to go with this and Mo Cheeks who has coached Zach

we are walking into a scker deal

Talk about panic trading to see possible FA room in 2 years.

This has NEVER been done in the NBA no trade is a comp to this--so they better frikin think VERY hard about what they are getting themselves into.



When are you going to adequately show there's significantly less value in gaining two picks between 10-20 vs the 6th pick? You've yet to do it and now you're just scrambling and throwing a temper tantrum.

The deal is moving 6-16 not your made up schmeal. Once you move 6-16 you lose ANY opportunity at

Mayo Bayless Gordon Westbrook Alexander Randolph Lopez--that is huge. You are sliding back to second tier players.

Just look at the talent we LOST by giving up our high lottrey picks--so we should continue the path????
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6/6/2008  12:27 AM
Posted by TMS:
I don't remember anyone posting that they did not like the trade because of Zach's contract.

that was probably 1 of the main reasons why people hated the trade... go back & look it up.

Yeah, the worst part about the trade was that this dude's contract set us back by putting us over the cap past 2009. Couple that with the fact that many questioned his compatibility with the current team (most often questioning his ability to mesh with Curry) and the trade was a no brainer. And by no brainer, I mean you'd have to have no brain to make it. Thanks Isiah.

However, I see where BRIGGS is coming from. Trading Zach in the proposed Philly deal is the ultimate case of selling low. I'd give Philly Zach straight up for the 16 pick. There's no way we drop 10 spaces in the draft to unload Zach.

I rather let him play and try to unload him later when other teams are panicking. Some GM is going to eventually gonna take a swing on this guy. We hate him, but he puts up numbers, he's young, he's played on a winner. He's not completely worthless. A desperate GM might pull the trigger and give us a better deal.

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6/6/2008  12:33 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:

a scrub and a significantly lower pick. This is like Joe Barry carrol for Kevin Mchale type of stuff. It's NOT like we are opening up cap space for a 28 yO Steve Nash to walk in next year--no--this is to HOPE we can get under the cap in 2 years and then HOPE again a top tier FA will spurn less money to come on to a team with a purged roster.

If we do this deal---we havent changed a bit --The Sixers will take Eric Gordon and he will be a star on their roster and Mo Cheeks will have Randolph playing 20-10 but the way he did when Portland was in the WESTERN CONFERNCE FINALS. Funny thing is about our roster the only two players to get that far was Zach and Malik.

We better really sit back and think about it because this has the potential to bite us just as HARD than ANY trade Isiah has made possibly harder since its a division rival.

When you look at a fans +- of a deal and you see Knick fans mainly on the - side and Philly fans [who are brutal] on a 70% approval side--if you have a smart GM who has worked hard with Rod Thorn willing to go with this and Mo Cheeks who has coached Zach

we are walking into a scker deal

Talk about panic trading to see possible FA room in 2 years.

This has NEVER been done in the NBA no trade is a comp to this--so they better frikin think VERY hard about what they are getting themselves into.



When are you going to adequately show there's significantly less value in gaining two picks between 10-20 vs the 6th pick? You've yet to do it and now you're just scrambling and throwing a temper tantrum.

The deal is moving 6-16 not your made up schmeal. Once you move 6-16 you lose ANY opportunity at

Mayo Bayless Gordon Westbrook Alexander Randolph Lopez--that is huge. You are sliding back to second tier players.

Just look at the talent we LOST by giving up our high lottrey picks--so we should continue the path????


Let's go by our Mock Draft. I'd wager any amount of money you want that CDR will have a greater impact in the NBA than Anthony Randolph.
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6/6/2008  12:34 AM
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Portland was in the WCF with Zach Randolph as their main scoring option? That's news to me.

It was against Dallas --they were down 3-0 and came back to make it 3-3 mainly behind Randolph who came off the bench to avergae nearly a double double and shoot +50% and lost 4-3 I was wrong that it was the WCF but it was against Dallas who was either a 1-2 seed. This was when zach was 21 years old.

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6/6/2008  12:36 AM
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:

a scrub and a significantly lower pick. This is like Joe Barry carrol for Kevin Mchale type of stuff. It's NOT like we are opening up cap space for a 28 yO Steve Nash to walk in next year--no--this is to HOPE we can get under the cap in 2 years and then HOPE again a top tier FA will spurn less money to come on to a team with a purged roster.

If we do this deal---we havent changed a bit --The Sixers will take Eric Gordon and he will be a star on their roster and Mo Cheeks will have Randolph playing 20-10 but the way he did when Portland was in the WESTERN CONFERNCE FINALS. Funny thing is about our roster the only two players to get that far was Zach and Malik.

We better really sit back and think about it because this has the potential to bite us just as HARD than ANY trade Isiah has made possibly harder since its a division rival.

When you look at a fans +- of a deal and you see Knick fans mainly on the - side and Philly fans [who are brutal] on a 70% approval side--if you have a smart GM who has worked hard with Rod Thorn willing to go with this and Mo Cheeks who has coached Zach

we are walking into a scker deal

Talk about panic trading to see possible FA room in 2 years.

This has NEVER been done in the NBA no trade is a comp to this--so they better frikin think VERY hard about what they are getting themselves into.



When are you going to adequately show there's significantly less value in gaining two picks between 10-20 vs the 6th pick? You've yet to do it and now you're just scrambling and throwing a temper tantrum.

The deal is moving 6-16 not your made up schmeal. Once you move 6-16 you lose ANY opportunity at

Mayo Bayless Gordon Westbrook Alexander Randolph Lopez--that is huge. You are sliding back to second tier players.

Just look at the talent we LOST by giving up our high lottrey picks--so we should continue the path????


Let's go by our Mock Draft. I'd wager any amount of money you want that CDR will have a greater impact in the NBA than Anthony Randolph.

You like CDR more than Eric Gordon? Or Mayo Or Bayless or Westbrook?

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-06-2008 12:38 AM]

On top of it IF you watch and know who CDR is you would know he is an isolation basketball player--he's not built for run and gun. He was their main iso man--meaning they gave the ball to him on the perimeter and he went 1-1--that is not this style CDR would not be effective in this style.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-06-2008 12:40 AM]
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:

a scrub and a significantly lower pick. This is like Joe Barry carrol for Kevin Mchale type of stuff. It's NOT like we are opening up cap space for a 28 yO Steve Nash to walk in next year--no--this is to HOPE we can get under the cap in 2 years and then HOPE again a top tier FA will spurn less money to come on to a team with a purged roster.

If we do this deal---we havent changed a bit --The Sixers will take Eric Gordon and he will be a star on their roster and Mo Cheeks will have Randolph playing 20-10 but the way he did when Portland was in the WESTERN CONFERNCE FINALS. Funny thing is about our roster the only two players to get that far was Zach and Malik.

We better really sit back and think about it because this has the potential to bite us just as HARD than ANY trade Isiah has made possibly harder since its a division rival.

When you look at a fans +- of a deal and you see Knick fans mainly on the - side and Philly fans [who are brutal] on a 70% approval side--if you have a smart GM who has worked hard with Rod Thorn willing to go with this and Mo Cheeks who has coached Zach

we are walking into a scker deal

Talk about panic trading to see possible FA room in 2 years.

This has NEVER been done in the NBA no trade is a comp to this--so they better frikin think VERY hard about what they are getting themselves into.



When are you going to adequately show there's significantly less value in gaining two picks between 10-20 vs the 6th pick? You've yet to do it and now you're just scrambling and throwing a temper tantrum.

The deal is moving 6-16 not your made up schmeal. Once you move 6-16 you lose ANY opportunity at

Mayo Bayless Gordon Westbrook Alexander Randolph Lopez--that is huge. You are sliding back to second tier players.

Just look at the talent we LOST by giving up our high lottrey picks--so we should continue the path????


Let's go by our Mock Draft. I'd wager any amount of money you want that CDR will have a greater impact in the NBA than Anthony Randolph.

You like CDR more than Eric Gordon?

No but I think Eric Gordon could be like Clyde Drexler and CDR like Rip Hamilton IMO I'd prefer Eric Gordon over CDR but I'm not going to think there's this extreme degree of separation between the two. Especially when we're talking about dumping EY Winslow.
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