I'd much rather use #6 on somebody else beside Westbrook (trade up or down, draft Anthony Randolph, etc...) and then acquire a lower 1st rounder to go after JR Giddens to fit the Westbrook role.

I agree Brooks that we need a guard. I just think there isnt any guard that warrant the 6th pick. You casn trade down to 10 get two players hopefully

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I agree Brooks that we need a guard. I just think there isnt any guard that warrant the 6th pick. You casn trade down to 10 get two players hopefully

Westbrook will be long gone at 10. Either you leverage position 6 to take him or you really stand the chance of losing him. If we are choosing an uptempo program where we want two way players with speeed--there is no better pick than Westbrook in terms of safety ability and need. Everyone is going to have their opinion on a home run player but Westbrook is the best pick for us if he is there.

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The more I look at this Randolph would fit perfect with the Knicks. Last year Randolph averaged 15 points 8 boards, 2.3 blocks and 3.0 turnovers per game in 32 minutes. You have a guy that is stronger averaged the same amount of points and rebounds and played 24 minutes per game. Speights shot 62% from the field instead of 46%. The Knicks are dumb enough to take a skinny kid, that shoots a low percentage and turns the ball over instead of true post that has just as many offensive skills. Horford, Lee, Haslem, Noah are are going to be good pros and add Speights to the list. Trade down with NJ and take him with the tenth pick

But you are comparing a 18 year old freshman to a 20 year old Sophomores. That is a big gap.

I think Speights could be a very good center in the New NBA, maybe he turns out to be the best of this class..... Randolph is more of a power forwer though in the quicker NBA.

randolph is also a better shotblocker, and about 50pnds lighter. he can't bully kids in college the way speights can. yet.

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The more I look at this Randolph would fit perfect with the Knicks. Last year Randolph averaged 15 points 8 boards, 2.3 blocks and 3.0 turnovers per game in 32 minutes. You have a guy that is stronger averaged the same amount of points and rebounds and played 24 minutes per game. Speights shot 62% from the field instead of 46%. The Knicks are dumb enough to take a skinny kid, that shoots a low percentage and turns the ball over instead of true post that has just as many offensive skills. Horford, Lee, Haslem, Noah are are going to be good pros and add Speights to the list. Trade down with NJ and take him with the tenth pick

But you are comparing a 18 year old freshman to a 20 year old Sophomores. That is a big gap.

I think Speights could be a very good center in the New NBA, maybe he turns out to be the best of this class..... Randolph is more of a power forwer though in the quicker NBA.

randolph is also a better shotblocker, and about 50pnds lighter. he can't bully kids in college the way speights can. yet.

A couple things about Speights--he has red flags on him from asking to be taken out of game frequently. When randoph and Speights played each other Randolph played better. You can push Randolph out of position a bit[atleast now] but he is tough inside doesnt back down and uses his length to go over players like Speights. Speightsis a pure 4 in every sense of the word+ he has some charcheter questions in terms of work ethic and desire[almost the worst red flag sans drug usage] Randoph played big minutes and has a much more diversified skill set---skinny players mean nothing--some of the best players of all time were skinny Kevin Nchale--210 pounds reggie miller 195-200 pounds rip hamilton 180 pounds KG when he first came into the league was roughly 7 foot 220 why in the world do we need speights? what does he bring and why do i want a player who asked out of multiple college games and seems to tire so easily---averaged only 24-25 minutes per game---prima dona

Why do you need Randolph. We need another player that shoots a low percentage, turns the ball over, and is undersized for a couple of block shots per game? There is no way Randolph will put the numbers up Lee put up his first three years in the league.

He was playing behind 2 pros Randolph wasnt. I will say this Randolph will never average a double-double in the pros the guy from Nevada cant play dead in a john wayne movie. Briggs we have a lot of bragging rights after this draft. The funny thing is the draft doesnt really excite me after the first two picks.

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He was playing behind 2 pros Randolph wasnt. I will say this Randolph will never average a double-double in the pros the guy from Nevada cant play dead in a john wayne movie. Briggs we have a lot of bragging rights after this draft. The funny thing is the draft doesnt really excite me after the first two picks.

David Lee's numbers as a senior and Randolph's were very comparable. I like Westbrook and Randolph for our spots--they fit what we want to do in terms of getting up and down the floor. Gordon is a small 2 guard. What happens when he matches up with guys like Pierce Carter Hamilton who have 4-5 inches on him and he doenst haev long arms. Knicks are horrible team--need to build the roster up piece by piece--there is no miracle solution here that will help the Knicks win 50 games next year--Ray Allen and KG arent coming to join Paul Pierce here. We dont have one player on this team who is half as good as Paul Pierce--if we are going to play uptemp you get players who can play the style. Speights will be gasping for breath and asking out 4 minutes in up and down like this. IF Mcgee goes to the right team and gets the right mentor--he will be the best C in the draft and average 20-10-3 in 3 years.

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People at Florida dont put up huge numbers in college they just do it in the pros. If Gorden is going to have problems guarding bigger men how will westbrook not struggle? EG body is ready for the pros. I agree Speights has work to do but the guy from Nevada and Randolph are high risk picks and we need a sure thing.

King1--Westbrook is very long strong and tenacious for his size. He was Pac 10 Defensive player of year--what else can you ask for in guard coming into the league---usually guards do not get these types of awards. Westbrook is the safe pick for the Knicks he fits in well with guys like lee chandler balkman when you start adding guys like add up perhasp in 2 years we will be in a much better position. You can ask for everything back at once--even if we won the first piock there is no david robinson pick this year that can really change the franchise a-b. Even Rose will struggle since he struggled at memphis many games. Many of these players coming after only 1 year are just not going to be at full tilt for 2-3 years--it's just what you have to deal with now.

It's like taking bynum --he was not good until third year only showed signs in his second year. But look at what he was turning into--he was on his way to being the best big man in the league and he will be back. But if a team took him without a three year plan and they didnt have a true instructor to help him--who knows if he just rots on bench? How many people say lol BRIGGS you said to take bynum and he scks?