I mean how bad of a coach is he that he gets 3 ECF appearances and blows them all?

Why did Dumars hire him?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-30-2008 10:24 PM]

FLIP SAY UGH

I wonder if Walsh should have held out for Flip Saunders.

Posted by Uptown:

Because Next-Town-Brown didn't want to be there anymore. That team wouldn't have won another championship even if Brown had stayed. Everything came together for that overachieving the year they won it all.

That and the Lakers infighting and being too old helped in that.

Okur not being resigned is the main reason why the Pistons have problems not repeating not Larry Brown.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BigC:

Okur not being resigned is the main reason why the Pistons have problems not repeating not Larry Brown.

Yeah and let's forget about Darko.

All joking aside, LB had Ben Wallace at his peak. He was a game changing defensive center.

Nothing against Flip but the retread policy of hiring guys who don't get their teams over the top frustrates me. Flip and Mike D' both had teams that should have won championships with the rosters that they had but didn't. I think guys like Skiles and Carlisle need to be given more time and support from management. D'Antoni was the wrong guy for the Knicks. Aside from my personal opinion I have not heard any expert endorse the hiring that obviously was Dolan influenced. If you have watched the playoffs you know that there wasn't a team that didn't play stellar defense in the conference finals. Defense is the easiest and the most influential thing a coach can provide for a team. Unfortunately the Knicks have what I consider the Ralph Nader of basketball. An extreme offensive minded coach who does not see the benefit of coaching defense. History has shown that teams with this philosophy ( see Doug Moe and Don Nelson) do not compete for championships. The Knicks already are one of the worst defensive teams in the league and lack on offense. I personally feel that they needed a guy who had long practices, taught character, taught team work, and taught defense, more than they needed a guy who relied on the players professionalism and had short practices based on the need of his players.

Flip Saunders is a great coach. When Larry went to the finals he did not have to battle a team as good as the Celtics, not mention that his players were 5 years younger and were in the peak of their careers, and that he had Ben Wallace when he was the best defensive big man in the league. If Larry were the coach of the current Pistons, they probably would have won 40 games being very fortunate.

Posted by CrushAlot:

Nothing against Flip but the retread policy of hiring guys who don't get their teams over the top frustrates me. Flip and Mike D' both had teams that should have won championships with the rosters that they had but didn't. I think guys like Skiles and Carlisle need to be given more time and support from management. D'Antoni was the wrong guy for the Knicks. Aside from my personal opinion I have not heard any expert endorse the hiring that obviously was Dolan influenced. If you have watched the playoffs you know that there wasn't a team that didn't play stellar defense in the conference finals. Defense is the easiest and the most influential thing a coach can provide for a team. Unfortunately the Knicks have what I consider the Ralph Nader of basketball. An extreme offensive minded coach who does not see the benefit of coaching defense. History has shown that teams with this philosophy ( see Doug Moe and Don Nelson) do not compete for championships. The Knicks already are one of the worst defensive teams in the league and lack on offense. I personally feel that they needed a guy who had long practices, taught character, taught team work, and taught defense, more than they needed a guy who relied on the players professionalism and had short practices based on the need of his players.

neither Riley nor JVG won it all as a Knick coach with that philosophy and the Heat team Riley did win it all with was not a defensive jauggernaut either.

and who is to say with this group of players D'Antoni won't change certain philosophies in regards to how hard he works this group?

In Phx the team was led by veterans who already knew how to play, any and everyone who knows anything about the Knicks knows this group is the extreme opposite.


edit: as for the topic, the play-offs expose what Larry meant to Chauncey and Rasheed as the pressure rises from round to round
moreso then it exposes Flip as some kind of retread

[Edited by - McK1 on 31-05-2008 07:47 AM]

where Flip Chauncey and Sheed fail in comparison to Brown Chauncey and Sheed

pip: Boston 204 Detroit 120

the year Brown's Pistons beat LA:

pip: LA 192 Detroit 206

Flip has let Chauncey and Sheed get away with being overly perimeter oriented

[Edited by - McK1 on 31-05-2008 08:11 AM]

Comparing Flip to D'Antoni who hasn't even been given a chance is a joke. You guys want every reason to hate on what the Knicks have its just a joke to me. I mean Pop didn't get his spurs into the finals I guess now he is a loser of a coach. Before that Phil Jackson lost to D'Antoni's teams I guess that makes Phil a bum of a coach. How about Doc Rivers this guy sucks as a caoch and now he get his team into the finals what does that make him now?

Flip took over a team that was ready made and ready to compete for a championship. D'Antoni is taking over the Knicks but I guess you guys aren't gonna see that difference.