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Is Walsh Cliff Noting Jim Bilas As To Who He Should Pick..... Bayless or Mayo?
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5/29/2008  2:55 PM
Check out commentary from Bilas on what he thinks of the Top Prospects. Back in March Bilas said..


Lang: This year’s NCAA freshmen have received massive amounts of media attention and are putting up strong numbers. Who are your top three with half the season completed?

JB: Michael Beasley, Kansas State; Eric Gordon, Indiana; and Derrick Rose, Memphis.

Lang: As of today, if you were a NBA GM, who would be your first pick of the 2008 draft.

JB: It would depend upon the team I had, and what we needed. I really respect the job that GM's have to do. The draft is an organizational challenge, and requires great information gathering and processing. I would probably take Gordon. I think he will be a monster scorer in the League, and I love his demeanor.

http://hoopsvine.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44:jay-bilas-interview-with-hoops-vine&catid=11:nba-interviews&Itemid=53

Here's what Bilas said after the Draft Lotter selection
The Chicago Bulls may decide they need frontcourt help more than backcourt help and select Michael Beasley with the No. 1 pick. However, irrespective of need, I believe that Derrick Rose is the best player available in this year's NBA draft. Point guards with Rose's ability, athleticism and potential just don't come around very often, and if it were up to me, I would take Rose without hesitation.

The third-best prospect in my book is Stanford's Brook Lopez. He is still very young, although he is the elder statesman of the top 10 prospects and has the chance to be a really good NBA post player. He may not be a perennial All-Star, but Lopez will be an impact player that has the chance to be very good. The only thing that bothers me about Lopez is that he is not a great finisher around the goal, and he is not a high volume rebounder. In fact, on the glass and on the defensive end, Robin Lopez is the better prospect, and Robin improved greatly this past season. He should be taken in the middle of the first round.

O.J. Mayo and Eric Gordon are next on my list, with Mayo being the more polished prospect. He is not a point guard, but Mayo can bring the ball up and he is a solid jump shooter from mid-range and from deep. Mayo needs to be able to put the ball on the deck and attack the rim, and too often he settled for jump shots during his freshman season. The thing I like about Mayo is his willingness and aptitude to defend. He works hard on the defensive end, and he has the chance to be a really good defender in the NBA.

Gordon is a monster scorer with big-time range and great explosive scoring ability. Another willing defender that can really guard the ball, Gordon's downside is that he can't dribble. Not only is Gordon not a point guard, he is not a handler at all, and he turns the ball over at a high rate. Still, the young prospect can develop a handle and will be a scorer in the NBA.

I list Arizona's Jerryd Bayless as the sixth-best prospect, but he could easily be listed above Mayo and Gordon because of his ability to play the point. He reminds me a bit of Chauncey Billups, and he has a scorer's mentality. Bayless turns the ball over at too high of a rate, but he has the chance to be a really fine NBA player.


Here's what DW had to say recently about finding a Point Guard from this yr's draft
Walsh begins search for next Knicks point guard
BY ALAN HAHN | alan.hahn@newsday.com
May 29, 2008

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. - The Knicks are going into this draft with guarded optimism, which is to say they have plenty of options to consider at the critical point guard position. While Italian swingman Danilo Gallinari is believed to be on the radar, a person with knowledge of the situation said the Knicks will also focus on bringing in guards to their individual workouts, which can begin next week.

The question is whether or not the group of point guards behind the consensus No. 1 pick, Derrick Rose, are "natural" point guards or merely undersized shooting guards. Jerryd Bayless is a terrific talent and O.J. Mayo is a dynamic scorer with an NBA-ready body who has even gotten himself in the conversation during Miami Heat discussions at the second overall choice. But neither are viewed as floor general-type guards - i.e. Steve Nash or Chris Paul - who can run an offense like Mike D'Antoni's system, which puts a great responsibility on that position to, as Red Holzman always demanded, find the open man.

Donnie Walsh, who arrives here today for the player physicals and interviews, said you can't always pigeonhole a college player by what he shows in college.

"Normally the best player on the team is counted on to score, even if he's the point guard," Walsh said. "So in many cases the scoring guard in college is a point guard and he can be converted into a point guard in the NBA. Chauncey Billups is a good example."

Deeper down the depth chart are point guards such as D.J Augustin, from Texas, Russell Westbrook of UCLA and Ty Lawson, from North Carolina.

The current roster already has somewhat of a logjam at the point, with more combo guards in Stephon Marbury and Nate Robinson. Marbury is in the final year of his contract and could be a buyout candidate. Robinson hasn't proven he can handle the point guard responsibilities full-time and is viewed as a better fit to bring energy off the bench. Mardy Collins is not seen as an NBA starter.

Walsh's other options could be on the trade market, which could be quite active involving point guards this summer. The Toronto Raptors will do whatever it takes to re-sign restricted free agent Jose Calderon, which likely means T.J. Ford could be acquired in a trade. Another team that has a plethora of point guards is Memphis, which has to decide who among Mike Conley, Jr. and Kyle Lowry is their guy. A few NBA executives believe the Grizzlies aren't sure, themselves, if either has the potential to be a full-time starter.

The situation to keep an eye on, however, could be in Golden State, where 22-year-old restricted free agent Monta Ellis is expected to demand a hefty pay raise over his $770,610 salary from this past season and it could force the Warriors into considering sign-and-trade offers for the lightning quick combo guard.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix295706057may29,0,4854414.story
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5/29/2008  2:57 PM
He did say that, but is it a guarantee that he's going to be going after a point guard?
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5/29/2008  2:58 PM
about monta ellis = wouldn't he be a BYC player thus making it very difficult to make a move for him?
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5/29/2008  3:00 PM
Excuse me I meant to say Jay Bilas not Jim Bilas BTW.
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5/29/2008  3:00 PM
the knicks have to get a point guard, either by the draft, MLE, or trade.

otherwise, next season will max out at around 30 wins.
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5/29/2008  3:24 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

about monta ellis = wouldn't he be a BYC player thus making it very difficult to make a move for him?

You might be right but I thought he goes BYC after he signs his new deal. We can go after him now just like we went after Curry, the only thing is we have to get him via S&T he ain't coming here for the MLE, scratch that idea.
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5/29/2008  3:27 PM
I liked hearing Donnie make that comment.

It at least gives me the feeling that he may feel that either Mayo or Bayless if available could be used as points.

I guess we'll see.

I also like that Bilas feels pretty strongly about Lopez because I could see Walsh biting on him if he drops to #6.
My concerns with Lopez center around his poor shooting around the rim, his lack of refined moves and his poor rebounding figures.
All that said - I do feel like he's a kid who can continue to develop a solid all-around offensive game and he's someone who will likely be a solid player for a long time. He is a true big body and not an awful athlete either.
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5/29/2008  4:29 PM
all hail to the Jay Bilas bandwagon... Jerryd Bayless reminds me a lot of Toni Kukoc.
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Cross-Country Workout Swing, Part 4, A.T.T.A.C.K. Athletics, Chicago
May 24, 2008
Mayo’s workout was built by Grover and Procopio off the role he will play in the NBA, and is reinforced by a lot of Synergy Sports Technology footage of some of the great players in the NBA that he can learn from. While it didn’t tell us everything we need to know about the type of NBA player he’ll become, it was highly informative.

“We’re trying to get O.J. comfortable using things he’ll need to have in his game at a couple of different positions,” told us the man who did possibly the most work with him over the two days we spent in Chicago, former Boston Celtics scout Mike Procopio. “O.J. is going to play a lot of point guard in the NBA—so we’re working on scoring off pick and rolls, isolations, post-ups, cutting to the basket—taking advantage of his size and athleticism. In my opinion he’ll be somewhere in between Chauncey Billups and Gary Payton. We’re trying to work with him on the type of shots he’ll be able to take on the court, and the situations he’ll be put in.”

The first thing that stands out about Mayo in this setting is just how smooth and instinctive a scorer and overall player he is. Everything he does is extremely effortless—his footwork, balance, body control and ability to create separation from his defender and create a shot for himself is already at an NBA level already.

During the season we noted that Mayo will need to learn the crafty tricks of the trade that all the great scorers in the NBA have in order to increase their efficiency and adapt themselves to the incredible speed, strength, length and agility that their defenders will possess to contest every shot they take.

That’s exactly what he’s working on here—we saw a great deal of emphasis put on utilizing the superior spacing (due to the much farther 3-point line) that NBA perimeter players enjoy as opposed to college in the mid-range area. Pull-up jumpers, fade-aways, floaters, high pick and rolls, jabs and shot-fakes in Iso situations, scoring over the top of top of outstretched defenders (thanks to the assistance of 7-foot dummies the trainers use in their drills), taking contact and finishing, and other tools Mayo will need to develop into the go-to scoring option his potential says he can become in the NBA.

Jonathan Givony, DraftExpress


Most notable was the fluidity in which he executes his step-back and pull-up moves, particularly the agility and power in which he glides around with his sharp cuts, hops and strides to create space for himself on different parts of the floor, showing very little wasted movement and looking absolutely natural and incredibly confident executing very difficult sequences that will make him extremely difficult to defend at the next level. Already an instinctive player with an excellent feel for the game, Mayo is only being given more weapons to work with by the instructors here, as well as sharpening up the ones he already has. For a guy who struggled in his only season of college basketball at times with being able to consistently get to the free throw line and create high percentage shots for himself, this is extremely important.

“We have the honor of using Synergy Sports Technology, which as you know, is the best program that exists in basketball. We’ll show him different moves players use in the NBA, whether it’s a Chauncey Billups, a Chris Paul or a Tony Parker. 30 minutes after the drill is over, he’ll have a DVD in his hand that reinforces the things we are teaching here so he can see how they are utilized in real life. It’s easier when they see players do it. I love it, because our pre-draft training is going on when the playoffs are on, so they’ll see a lot of the things we’re doing the night before.”

Jonathan Givony, DraftExpress


One thing that definitely stands out about Mayo is just how hard he is working right now, something that has probably gotten a lot more difficult lately with all the distractions surrounding his choice of agents and his relationship with Rodney Guillory. He was the first player in the gym when we arrived for the second day of our visit. There was no question that we were watching a player with a supreme work ethic, which becomes most noticeable when you take a look at the way he shoots the ball—showing outstanding mechanics that are identical every time, with terrific footwork, balance and arc on his shot, setting his feet instantaneously as soon as he catches the ball, and never looking rattled even when he has a man in his face heavily contesting his shot. Clearly this is the best part of his game at the moment

Mayo’s competitiveness stood out the most when it was time for the NBA players and some of the lesser known prospects to go head to head in a five on five matchup. These types of games are usually not supposed to involved guys like Mayo (often for the fear of injury), but he refused to take no for an answer. “Juice, what the hell do you think you’re doing?” Tim Grover asked him. Mayo pretended not to hear him, and proceeded to show off his playmaking skills and unselfishness by pushing the ball up the floor repeatedly, making some great drive and dish plays, and throwing a number of alleyoop lobs to his old running mate Bill Walker. He played great defense on Jeremy Pargo, not giving him an inch to breathe and absolutely shutting him down, but the fact that he had just completed a grueling workout in the weight room left him with almost no legs to finish his plays around the basket. Grover pulled him out after the first game was over, and Mayo looked visibly upset by the fact that his team lost.

“He pushes himself as much as any player I’ve seen” Mike Procopio noted. I’ve never seen a guy who is more focused than him. I feel bad for the guys who will have to work out against him. He reminds me of Clubber Lang [played by Mr. T] in Rocky 3 with the way he trained for that fight against Rocky. Rocky was in the disco having fun, and Clubber Lang was in some hole in the wall doing chin-ups. The guy is a nut when it comes to working out. You can see it in his eyes, he wants to be great. He’ll spend all day doing something until he gets it right. The kid cannot fail. He will not fail. He’s fearless. Some kids listen to the crowd around them, who tell them how good they are. They live on the hype. They live off the rankings of the scouting services around the country. He doesn’t. He wants to rip your heart out, serve it to you on a plate, and then do it again. The kid is a killer, he’s a total killer on the court. He’ll be a special player.”


That is like the 4th time I have read or heard someone say that about him. He has that Kobe type of desire. You hear about players hard work all the time. But you don't hear people talk about a players desire to be great like they have with Mayo.

Jonathan Givony: In the NBA do you see yourself as a point guard, a combo guard or a two-guard?

O.J. Mayo: I could be a point guard. Really though, I see myself as a guard, a guard who wants to win. But I think I would be better at the point guard position.

Jonathan Givony: Do you think with the direction that the NBA is heading in, in terms of the up tempo play and hand checking rules, do you think that favors your game, or would you have been better ten years ago?

O.J. Mayo: I think it favors my game, but at the same time I’m a ballplayer so I think I could have been good ten years ago also.

Jonathan Givony: Do you see yourself as more of a Brandon Roy kind of player who operates in the mid-range, or are you going to be more like an Allen Iverson, a slasher and a high volume free throw guy?

O.J. Mayo: I see myself as more of a Deron Williams. I can get to the basket; I feel comfortable shooting the jumper off the dribble or spotting up, I can keep other players involved and the overall energy level up.

Jonathan Givony: Is that your favorite comparison right now, Deron Williams?

O.J. Mayo: Yes sir.


With Mayo's size at PG, jump shot, desire to play defense, leadership quality, B-ball IQ, & most important his desire to be great. Mayo can be a stud in the NBA and I see him being one. A good coach that can develop his PG game would bring him to another level. I really hope we are able to land him.

On an unrelated side note. Kevin Love was on ESPN today and you can tell he has lost weight. His face looked slimmer and more lean.
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5/29/2008  4:51 PM
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5/29/2008  5:35 PM
Mayo should drop the "OJ" thing.

Not gonna sell many shoes with that name.

As long as he is not some where between "pearl Washington and Starbury" im ok.

Whats OJ's real name?
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5/29/2008  5:38 PM
2 things.

1-Except for the desire thing his scouting report sounds an awful lot like Marbury's skill set when he came out of college.

2-He is sounding better and better everyday.


[Edited by - joec32033 on 29 May 2008 17:39]
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5/29/2008  5:43 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Whats OJ's real name?

Ovinton J'Anthony
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5/29/2008  5:45 PM
Posted by joec32033:

2 things.

1-Except for the desire thing his scouting report sounds an awful lot like Marbury's skill set when he came out of college.

2-He is sounding better and better everyday.


[Edited by - joec32033 on 29 May 2008 17:39]

Marbury seemed more explosive to me when he was coming out of college.
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5/29/2008  5:54 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by joec32033:

2 things.

1-Except for the desire thing his scouting report sounds an awful lot like Marbury's skill set when he came out of college.

2-He is sounding better and better everyday.


[Edited by - joec32033 on 29 May 2008 17:39]

Marbury seemed more explosive to me when he was coming out of college.

Watching him play he reminds me of Brandon Roy. Not necessarily an explosive athlete, but very smooth, can get to any spot on the floor despite not having blazing speed, can play some point in a pinch because of his court awareness and can impact the game even if he's having an off scoring night. I dont see it, but I really hope theres a way he drops to us.

[Edited by - uptown on 05-29-2008 6:05 PM]
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5/29/2008  6:01 PM
i don't see it happening w/o the Knicks trading up w/Minny.
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5/29/2008  6:08 PM
Logically, Minny should take OJ because he's the third best player. Now that Isiah has been banished, Mchale has regained the reigns as the most inept pres. I'm hoping McHale sees a need to plug the hole they have at center (Lopez) and realizes he already has 2 young/undersized shooting guards (Foye and Mcants). But I know I'm reaching for straws.

[Edited by - uptown on 05-29-2008 6:36 PM]
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5/29/2008  6:21 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Nalod:

Whats OJ's real name?

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5/29/2008  6:31 PM
Posted by Uptown:

Logically, Minny should take OJ. Now that Isiah has been banished, Mchale has regained the reigns as the most inept pres. I'm hoping McHale sees a need to plug the hole they have at center (Lopez) and realizes he already has 2 young/undersized shooting guards (Foye and Mcants). But I know I'm reaching for straws.

right, i'm not discounting them passing on OJ especially w/Foye on their roster, but i think if they reach that decision they'll look to trade down & still get their man in Lopez, Love or whoever else they like.
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5/29/2008  6:45 PM
If there ever was a whimsical person its Jay Bilas. One minute he say Gordon is a player he would select over Rose and Beasley, next minute he is saying on radio tht Gordon has absolutley no handle.

So much for believing this chump.
Is Walsh Cliff Noting Jim Bilas As To Who He Should Pick..... Bayless or Mayo?

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