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Brook Lopez - bust?
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purple012870
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5/25/2008  12:01 PM
from todays Mitch Lawrence daily news column:

"People who know Stanford big man Brook Lopez, who could go as high as No. 3, swear he's the next Michael Olowokandi or Jim McIlvaine: a potential bust because he doesn't like to play"

I totally agree. I'm not sure whether he is passionate about the game or not, but I don't want a big that struggles to finish at the rim.
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5/25/2008  12:48 PM
I agree. I hope he is gone before the Knicks pick.
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5/25/2008  1:29 PM
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5/25/2008  1:41 PM
So is this when we decide to listen to Mitch Lawrence but if he says D'Antonio Davis/D'Antonio Daniels is a suspect hire then we tune him out?

I just want to know the rules for future referencing


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5/25/2008  3:43 PM
Yeah. I don't think he'll be a complete bust like Olowokandi. I think he'll be one of those guys who doesn't do anything very well, but does enough things fairly well to stay in the league and be a borderline starter.
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5/25/2008  3:52 PM
I'd be very happy with Kosta Koufos. As a matter of fact, I'd draft Kosta ahead of Lopez, if it came to it. Not that I don't think Brook is NBA material, but that's just how much more I like this kid Kosta.
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5/25/2008  4:18 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

So is this when we decide to listen to Mitch Lawrence but if he says D'Antonio Davis/D'Antonio Daniels is a suspect hire then we tune him out?

I just want to know the rules for future referencing


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5/25/2008  4:33 PM
that isn't true at all. i've met brook and i'm good friends with several of his teammates, they say the guy is very passionate about bball and him and robin practice harder than anyone else on the team. if you watch them play you can see they get real emotional and into the game, so this is bogus. there are doubts about his game which is legit, but passion for the game is definitely not one. i wonder how much pac-10 bball lawrence watches or covers
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5/25/2008  5:59 PM
Thanks nyballer. This is the kind of inside we need. Thanks. And Brook is' one of the guys on my list, when we pick. Like I said, I think he's NBA material, and insight like this could help us understand him better.
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5/25/2008  10:26 PM
this is not to say he's a sure thing or even that i think he'll be great...but the things that i dont like about him are correctible i think. he is a little deliberate on offense, ie he plans his moves before he makes them, takes some bad shots out of double teams (partly because stanford was offensively limited), his release is pretty low and he sometimes brings the ball down before shooting etc. but defensively he is solid, and he definitely plays hard and plays with passion.
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5/25/2008  10:43 PM
Posted by nyballer:

this is not to say he's a sure thing or even that i think he'll be great...but the things that i dont like about him are correctible i think. he is a little deliberate on offense, ie he plans his moves before he makes them, takes some bad shots out of double teams (partly because stanford was offensively limited), his release is pretty low and he sometimes brings the ball down before shooting etc. but defensively he is solid, and he definitely plays hard and plays with passion.

nyballer--Im a little surprised at the amount of people who think he will be a bust and it seems like 50% of the fans think Gallinari will be some kind of stud player[more like boston nachbar]. He does have the best *frame* for a big man in this draft--he has scored 30 points or more as a sophmore 3-4 times. The questions on him--would he fit the new up tempo style that ny will? put in? This is what I mean in terms of the NYK board--if they rated Lopez 4-5 before dantoni got here--is he still 4-5 will that still dictate BPA? Also he takes way to many shots and isnt that great of a rebounder[although he averaged 8]
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyballer:

this is not to say he's a sure thing or even that i think he'll be great...but the things that i dont like about him are correctible i think. he is a little deliberate on offense, ie he plans his moves before he makes them, takes some bad shots out of double teams (partly because stanford was offensively limited), his release is pretty low and he sometimes brings the ball down before shooting etc. but defensively he is solid, and he definitely plays hard and plays with passion.

nyballer--Im a little surprised at the amount of people who think he will be a bust and it seems like 50% of the fans think Gallinari will be some kind of stud player[more like boston nachbar]. He does have the best *frame* for a big man in this draft--he has scored 30 points or more as a sophmore 3-4 times. The questions on him--would he fit the new up tempo style that ny will? put in? This is what I mean in terms of the NYK board--if they rated Lopez 4-5 before dantoni got here--is he still 4-5 will that still dictate BPA? Also he takes way to many shots and isnt that great of a rebounder[although he averaged 8]

I agree, I think just because gallinari is italian, people think he will fit in d'antoni's system - he could be solid, maybe play the role of grant hill last year on the suns, but that isn't worth the #6 pick. with brook, he's got great offensive talent, and will find a way to put up at least 15 pts per game. as far as rebounding, he rebounded much better when brook wasn't in the game...usually they put brook down low to guard the best interior player, since he is the better defender, so brook wasn't around the basket as much as he probably will be in the pros as a center
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5/27/2008  5:30 AM
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyballer:

this is not to say he's a sure thing or even that i think he'll be great...but the things that i dont like about him are correctible i think. he is a little deliberate on offense, ie he plans his moves before he makes them, takes some bad shots out of double teams (partly because stanford was offensively limited), his release is pretty low and he sometimes brings the ball down before shooting etc. but defensively he is solid, and he definitely plays hard and plays with passion.

nyballer--Im a little surprised at the amount of people who think he will be a bust and it seems like 50% of the fans think Gallinari will be some kind of stud player[more like boston nachbar]. He does have the best *frame* for a big man in this draft--he has scored 30 points or more as a sophmore 3-4 times. The questions on him--would he fit the new up tempo style that ny will? put in? This is what I mean in terms of the NYK board--if they rated Lopez 4-5 before dantoni got here--is he still 4-5 will that still dictate BPA? Also he takes way to many shots and isnt that great of a rebounder[although he averaged 8]

I agree, I think just because gallinari is italian, people think he will fit in d'antoni's system - he could be solid, maybe play the role of grant hill last year on the suns, but that isn't worth the #6 pick. with brook, he's got great offensive talent, and will find a way to put up at least 15 pts per game. as far as rebounding, he rebounded much better when brook wasn't in the game...usually they put brook down low to guard the best interior player, since he is the better defender, so brook wasn't around the basket as much as he probably will be in the pros as a center

That is what I was thinking regarding his low rebounding numbers. It has to be hard being a top rebounder when you are playing with another 7 footer. It seems like his role was to score and his brother's role was to rebound and play defense. It always worries me when a college center cannot average 9 rebounds, but maybe Brook is the exception. If he can rebound and defend, I would be more inclined to draft him and trade Curry.
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5/27/2008  9:10 AM
I think a big factor w/ Gallinari is how he measures out. If 6'8, maybe the Nochbar comparison has some validity. But a 6'10" guy as polished as Gallinari seems to be is intriguing. Throw in the intangibles: regarded as a tough as nails, ultra smart, make others better player...well those are attributes that simply don't exist on the Knicks.
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5/27/2008  9:34 AM
This will be the player I believe to take a tumble. If I am right I think the NY Knick scouting services will have him as a top 5 BPA. I know the mock drafts have him 3 but that is not happening---it will be rose beasley mayo. I really believe Seattle with take Bayless as BPA@4 or trade down. That leaves memphis who already has put big bet on Milicic and runs a fast tempo as well--so I dont see two bigger slower guys as the front. If Lopez does not go at 5 skipping the Knicks--he wont go 7 to LA[kaman] 8 to milwaukee[bogut] so his first shot is 9 with Charlotte and he wont get passed NJ. So I wonder if the Knicks will draft him? I think he will be there. Certainly there are other players I would personally like to have[although he is a much better player than he is thought of by fans] but will the Knicks just take bPA on their own board?
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5/27/2008  9:45 AM
but BPA can, and often does, mean BPA for that team

for example, if an NFL team is running an offense that features down field passing, it may pass on a QB like Jake Plummer or Chad Pennington...even though others rank him as the best player available
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5/27/2008  3:43 PM
are we in the position to take BPA for our team? We are pretty bad with 0 players on our roster that are unmoveable....almost every position is in need of major upgrade except maybe the 4 (with lee, who isn't even starting). Lee and lopez would make a nice front court I think...not to say that crawford and mayo wouldn't be bad in the back, although I have my doubts about that. I think we need to accept that randolph or curry has to go - if we draft loepz my preference is trade randolph to any team willing to take his salary and make curry our backup C if we can't get rid of him. considering he doesnt play D and doesnt have the stamina to play more than 30 minutes, a backup role for him as the first big off the bench seems about right. you can also play him with brook at the 4 at points in the game.
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Posted by TheGame:
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyballer:

this is not to say he's a sure thing or even that i think he'll be great...but the things that i dont like about him are correctible i think. he is a little deliberate on offense, ie he plans his moves before he makes them, takes some bad shots out of double teams (partly because stanford was offensively limited), his release is pretty low and he sometimes brings the ball down before shooting etc. but defensively he is solid, and he definitely plays hard and plays with passion.

nyballer--Im a little surprised at the amount of people who think he will be a bust and it seems like 50% of the fans think Gallinari will be some kind of stud player[more like boston nachbar]. He does have the best *frame* for a big man in this draft--he has scored 30 points or more as a sophmore 3-4 times. The questions on him--would he fit the new up tempo style that ny will? put in? This is what I mean in terms of the NYK board--if they rated Lopez 4-5 before dantoni got here--is he still 4-5 will that still dictate BPA? Also he takes way to many shots and isnt that great of a rebounder[although he averaged 8]

I agree, I think just because gallinari is italian, people think he will fit in d'antoni's system - he could be solid, maybe play the role of grant hill last year on the suns, but that isn't worth the #6 pick. with brook, he's got great offensive talent, and will find a way to put up at least 15 pts per game. as far as rebounding, he rebounded much better when brook wasn't in the game...usually they put brook down low to guard the best interior player, since he is the better defender, so brook wasn't around the basket as much as he probably will be in the pros as a center

That is what I was thinking regarding his low rebounding numbers. It has to be hard being a top rebounder when you are playing with another 7 footer. It seems like his role was to score and his brother's role was to rebound and play defense. It always worries me when a college center cannot average 9 rebounds, but maybe Brook is the exception. If he can rebound and defend, I would be more inclined to draft him and trade Curry.

That doesn't hold up. Robin Lopez got 5.7 boards in 24.5 mpg. Face it, Brook Lopez wasn't a good rebounder in college and will be a weak rebounder against nba competition. He's a weak rebounder, mediocre defensive player and a mediocre offensive player. I want to know what is Brook Lopez good at?

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