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PresIke
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5/24/2008  12:35 PM
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I think the issue Walsh and whoever is GM will have to deal with is how a trade for 2 picks could best be facilitated.

I think it will depend on various factors, most of which will have to pan out during the first 5 picks, and discussions with possibly interested teams (i.e. The Nets), yet is contingent upon (a) certain player(s) still available at 6.

You have to figure Mayo is the one teams' would be most teams will be interested in, but do you move him if he's there for the Nets 2 picks? They could then move Jefferson or Carter with less worry. Westbrook on the other hand is not going to get you the Nets picks.

Maybe they won't take the 6th player unless it is someone they really covet, or figure won't make it to 12.

If so, what combo of players would it have to be?

Of course, this is an alternative plan to the other way of getting another pick after 6 with a vet or future 1st rounder, etc.
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5/24/2008  3:38 PM
Was it the Soul sonic force aka bambata's crew? Or de la soul? Lol.....I'm stumped but I know I heard that line before.

As far as the idea of trading down or up maybe? Its a possibility. Some teams may have a hard on for Mayo. Like when houston traded 3 picks for eddie griffith. A lot of people though eddie was gonna be a stud. Eddie had more talent cuz of his size while Mayo may have less talent because of his size but has a stronger head on his shoulders.

What about Marcus Willams and their lower first rounder for #6 if its Mayo and these nuts?
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5/24/2008  4:12 PM
i'm gonna guess A Tribe Called Quest since u said there's a big hint in there
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5/24/2008  4:58 PM
The thing is, if someone really desirable like Mayo falls to 6, we wouldn't want to trade him. If no one like that falls to 6, the Nets wouldn't want to trade down.
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5/24/2008  8:23 PM
Honestly, I'm starting to get the feeling that we make no' deals this off season. I think Walsh will simply make the best pick possible and leave it at that. That would be the safest way to go at this point. I think they will pick for the spot that hurt the most last season. Most likely a center.
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5/25/2008  1:37 AM
You absolutely need to keep Mayo if he's there at 6. Trading him for the Nets 2 picks would be a major blunder.
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5/25/2008  10:11 PM
If the Knicks could somehow get some combination of DeAndre Jordan, DJ Augustin, JaVale McGee, or Donte Green for the Nets two picks it would be phenomenal.
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5/26/2008  7:40 AM
hmm, the #6 for the #10 & the #21? i'd have to think about that one... seems like we can get good value if the Nets are looking to move up.
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5/26/2008  11:59 AM
The only team that we'd be able to trade two for one drafts for is New Jersey. They have 10 and 21. I think we could get Koukos and another fairly good pick at 21.
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5/26/2008  12:04 PM
Posted by Ira:

The thing is, if someone really desirable like Mayo falls to 6, we wouldn't want to trade him. If no one like that falls to 6, the Nets wouldn't want to trade down.

If the mayo falls to sixth, then he not very desirable, right?
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5/26/2008  12:36 PM
Better move in my mind is trading D-Lee to Portland for Sergio Rodriguez and Portlands #13.

Portland wants to add young vets to their mix and Lee fits.

Adding Rodriguez and #13 is like adding 2 additional 1st round picks to our #6 pick and we also avoid having to give Lee a big extension.

If Mayo is gone at # 6 we take Anthony Randolph as our future PF, and we take Brandon Rush or CDR at #13 as legit back-up 2 guards. All 3 additions would see solid fits in D'Antoni's system.
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5/26/2008  12:51 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:

Better move in my mind is trading D-Lee to Portland for Sergio Rodriguez and Portlands #13.

Portland wants to add young vets to their mix and Lee fits.

Adding Rodriguez and #13 is like adding 2 additional 1st round picks to our #6 pick and we also avoid having to give Lee a big extension.

If Mayo is gone at # 6 we take Anthony Randolph as our future PF, and we take Brandon Rush or CDR at #13 as legit back-up 2 guards. All 3 additions would see solid fits in D'Antoni's system.

And give the extension to who? Rodriguez?

Sergio Rodriguez:
10.41 mpg
3.1 ppg
1.1 rpg
39.1 fg%
71.9 ft%

David Lee:
25.3 mpg
8.9 ppg
7.9 rpg
57 fg%
76 ft%

Keep in mind, Lee's stats include his first year, where he averaged 16.9 minutes a game, 5.1 ppg and 4.5 rpg. His numbers have gone up in the last two years, with still limited minutes.

How is Sergio worth more than Lee? And for the #13 pick also???

I still wonder why so many people want to get rid of Lee?



[Edited by - 4949 on 05-26-2008 12:55 PM]
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5/26/2008  12:57 PM
Man if we can trade back w/ the Nets for their 10/20 and land say...Joe Alexander & Robin Lopez (or Gallinari & Jason Thompson)...I certainly wouldn't complain.
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5/26/2008  2:27 PM
Robin and Gallinari, yes. Joe and Jason, no.

I think the brass should first try to acquire another pick, without letting Lee go and without losing the #6 spot.
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5/26/2008  3:01 PM
I agree...and I think any normal competent GM / President should have the same strategy...

Try to get another pick, while dumping one of our large contracts (Zach), and keep the #6 pick...

Maybe your throw in Marbury (expiring contract) or Balkman / Nate to make the deal sweeter...

This is why we need a GM in place, before the draft...I don't trust Walsh and D'antoni with trade scenarios...

But hey, at this point, anything is better than Isiah creating these trades...
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5/26/2008  3:12 PM
They haven't really given any scenarios. suckbury would be a very attractive expiring, that's for sure, with about 20 million coming off their books. But who do we trade him for? It's got to be three players, that we can tie the money up for the next two years. As a part of our plan to flex the cap.

Maybe we trade him for two players and a draft pick, within the top 30. But to who? Two goals here. Protect the money and find another pick. Hmmmm.
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5/26/2008  6:50 PM
Marbury's expiring is not gonna appeal to any team unless they wanna dump a huge contract on us... there are only a few guys in the NBA w/contracts that would even match up & who's teams are looking to dump their contracts... there are a lot more attractive options w/expiring contracts next year for teams willing to give up picks for, Allen Iverson being 1 of them... we're not getting any picks in any Marbury deals, we'll just be taking on a big contract or 2 in a salary dump.
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5/26/2008  11:00 PM
Posted by blkexec:

I agree...and I think any normal competent GM / President should have the same strategy...

Try to get another pick, while dumping one of our large contracts (Zach), and keep the #6 pick...

Maybe your throw in Marbury (expiring contract) or Balkman / Nate to make the deal sweeter...

This is why we need a GM in place, before the draft...I don't trust Walsh and D'antoni with trade scenarios...

But hey, at this point, anything is better than Isiah creating these trades...

Why do you not trust Walsh with trades? 90% of the trades he made with Indiana worked out fantastic for them.
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Posted by 4949:
Posted by LivingLegend:

Better move in my mind is trading D-Lee to Portland for Sergio Rodriguez and Portlands #13.

Portland wants to add young vets to their mix and Lee fits.

Adding Rodriguez and #13 is like adding 2 additional 1st round picks to our #6 pick and we also avoid having to give Lee a big extension.

If Mayo is gone at # 6 we take Anthony Randolph as our future PF, and we take Brandon Rush or CDR at #13 as legit back-up 2 guards. All 3 additions would see solid fits in D'Antoni's system.

And give the extension to who? Rodriguez?

Sergio Rodriguez:
10.41 mpg
3.1 ppg
1.1 rpg
39.1 fg%
71.9 ft%

David Lee:
25.3 mpg
8.9 ppg
7.9 rpg
57 fg%
76 ft%

Keep in mind, Lee's stats include his first year, where he averaged 16.9 minutes a game, 5.1 ppg and 4.5 rpg. His numbers have gone up in the last two years, with still limited minutes.

How is Sergio worth more than Lee? And for the #13 pick also???

I still wonder why so many people want to get rid of Lee?



[Edited by - 4949 on 05-26-2008 12:55 PM]

Nobody said Sergio is worth more than Lee. We trade Lee for Sergio and the #13 pick (Brandon Rush, CDR, Authur).

Lee is going to command a big extension -- Sergio won't. Sergio can be our point in D'Antoni's system - D-Lee can't.
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