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Allanfan20
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5/22/2008  3:53 PM
I just say that, b/c I find that there's, at this point, absolutely NO POINT in having either one of those players, except the fact that Zach is a good rebounder, but that's it. I just can't see how they can fit with this team anymore, and we need to get rid of the malcontents/laziness. It's sad, but I personally think there's no way to get rid of Zach without including Lee. Thank you Isiah the Arshole Thomas, for everything. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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5/22/2008  4:00 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I just say that, b/c I find that there's, at this point, absolutely NO POINT in having either one of those players, except the fact that Zach is a good rebounder, but that's it. I just can't see how they can fit with this team anymore, and we need to get rid of the malcontents/laziness. It's sad, but I personally think there's no way to get rid of Zach without including Lee. Thank you Isiah the Arshole Thomas, for everything. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

I would trade Lee in a heartbeat to move either Curry or Randolph. If we're packaging the pick to move one of those clowns, then I would want a mid round pick in return. But if it came down to it and there were no takers for Randolph in return for a contract two years and less, I would just buy his lame ass out. Then trade Curry and Crawful for contracts 2 years and less which would get us a ton of cap room and another lottery pick next season. Thats what I would do.

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5/22/2008  4:30 PM
I think you could trade Curry plus Jamal in a salary dump to a good team. Here are players I'd target. Obviously you try to get as much thrown in from the other team as possible. I wouldn't do these trades without any sweetener in them for us.

-Ray Allen (if he keeps struggling and Boston loses this round)
-Ben Wallace or Wally + player of their choice
-Battier + Bobby Jackson + Alston
-Raef LaFrenz + Travis Outlaw or Martell Webster
-TJ Ford + Nesterovic
-Matt Harpring + Kyle Korver + Collins + Hart
-Three of these four players: Etan Thomas, Antonio Daniels, Haywood, Sangaila

Any of these trades would free up $21 mil in 2010-2011
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5/22/2008  5:06 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I think you could trade Curry plus Jamal in a salary dump to a good team. Here are players I'd target. Obviously you try to get as much thrown in from the other team as possible. I wouldn't do these trades without any sweetener in them for us.

-Ray Allen (if he keeps struggling and Boston loses this round)
-Ben Wallace or Wally + player of their choice
-Battier + Bobby Jackson + Alston
-Raef LaFrenz + Travis Outlaw or Martell Webster
-TJ Ford + Nesterovic
-Matt Harpring + Kyle Korver + Collins + Hart
-Three of these four players: Etan Thomas, Antonio Daniels, Haywood, Sangaila

Any of these trades would free up $21 mil in 2010-2011

Yup thats what I would do. Then try and trade Zach for a contract of 2 years and less, if no takers then buy him out and free up around an additional 3-5 million depending on the buyout number.
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5/22/2008  5:08 PM
I agree I was saying this around December and people lashed out in fits of rage at these kind of ideas.
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5/22/2008  5:16 PM
if you trade Zach and Curry & include D Lee to dump those guys, you better make sure you're getting back a couple of worthy starting bigmen to take their place, cuz that's basically our entire frontcourt... otherwise you're looking at a Big Turd & Jared fishlips starting frontcourt... excuse me while i purge.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-22-2008 2:16 PM]
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5/22/2008  5:17 PM
Yes trueblue, but there weren't that many. Personally, I was almost ready to give up being a Knick fan when the Zach trade happened.
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5/22/2008  5:18 PM
You don't HAVE to trade the pick but you have to deal Lee with any long-term crap like Zach in order to get back a shorter deal.
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5/22/2008  5:21 PM
I'll trade Curry on his own with out Lee to a taker disillusioned by the need for post scoring. I'll keep Zach for now - he'll be worth more after D'Antoni takes over - I think you can save the same number of years and even get pick in return if you wait.

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5/22/2008  5:36 PM
Posted by TMS:

if you trade Zach and Curry & include D Lee to dump those guys, you better make sure you're getting back a couple of worthy starting bigmen to take their place, cuz that's basically our entire frontcourt... otherwise you're looking at a Big Turd & Jared fishlips starting frontcourt... excuse me while i purge.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-22-2008 2:16 PM]

If things go according to plan, we SHOULD have a roster that will make you want to puke next season, but we should also be closer to cap space and we should have more young 2 way players than we have now.
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5/22/2008  5:37 PM
Posted by codeunknown:

I'll trade Curry on his own with out Lee to a taker disillusioned by the need for post scoring. I'll keep Zach for now - he'll be worth more after D'Antoni takes over - I think you can save the same number of years and even get pick in return if you wait.

yeah, the problem is we'll have to wait 2 years before we get anything good in return for Zach.
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5/22/2008  5:59 PM
I have been thinking the same thing Allanfan- why do we have to give up two good assets to dump a contract? I don't like that kind of thinking- I'd rather hold on to Curry/Zach longer.
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5/22/2008  6:14 PM
Posted by 93BUICK:

I have been thinking the same thing Allanfan- why do we have to give up two good assets to dump a contract? I don't like that kind of thinking- I'd rather hold on to Curry/Zach longer.
I agree. I think a combo of Curry and Jamal IS tradeable. You won't get much at all for it but you'll get something with shorter contracts. And I'd rather have David Lee than have Curry + Jamal. I'd also rather have pick #6 than have Curry + Jamal. So that's why I wouldn't include either Lee or pick #6 with Zach in a trade.
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5/22/2008  6:28 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by codeunknown:

I'll trade Curry on his own with out Lee to a taker disillusioned by the need for post scoring. I'll keep Zach for now - he'll be worth more after D'Antoni takes over - I think you can save the same number of years and even get pick in return if you wait.

yeah, the problem is we'll have to wait 2 years before we get anything good in return for Zach.

I don't think so. Trade him next summer for an expiring + pick.
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5/22/2008  6:50 PM
Alternatively you can trade him now to Miami for Blount and Haslem and Eddy to NJ for pick #10 to move into full tank mode.

Either one is a decent option depending on how bad you think we can be next year without Zach and Eddy.
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5/22/2008  6:55 PM
Posted by codeunknown:

Alternatively you can trade him now to Miami for Blount and Haslem and Eddy to NJ for pick #10 to move into full tank mode.

Either one is a decent option depending on how bad you think we can be next year without Zach and Eddy.

I just cannot imagine a team giving up a lottery pick for Eddy
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5/22/2008  7:05 PM
Posted by 93BUICK:

I have been thinking the same thing Allanfan- why do we have to give up two good assets to dump a contract? I don't like that kind of thinking- I'd rather hold on to Curry/Zach longer.

I'm not even saying that I wouldn't do it. If we have to do it, then we have to. Trust me, I want to keep Lee and that pick just as much as anyone else, and I personally think it would be stupid to trade the pick and Zach for a crap player with a shorter contract. However, we DO need to start moving foward, and Zach is poison on this team, and I think he is more hurtful to this team than Marbury! To me, the best time to trade him is this summer, b/c after that, people's sights are going to be glowing on the LeBron year even more, and you probably wont even be able to trade him with Lee next Summer, b/c his salary is going to be MUCH larger. It's unfortunate, but we gotto start weeding this mess.

I think Bonn has a decent idea in trading Jamal and Curry, but it's flawed. That's huge salary teams would be taking on and we'd have to take on something pretty huge in return. Is it worth trading those 2 together (Assuming a team would want both of them, which I doubt.)? I doubt it. Personally, lets see if Jamal can thrive under something he's never had before, besides a couple of months under Larry Brown: Good coaching. Lets see if we can trade Eddie Curry for Mark Blounts shorter deal. Miami needs a big man.
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5/22/2008  7:07 PM
I think the answer is yes. My hope is that if we trade Lee and the pick, that we could unload Zach, Curry, Snacks and possibly JJ2. That would be a major win. Funny how major wins at this point are giving up talent to undo Isiah damage.
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5/22/2008  7:12 PM
Posted by Solace:

I think the answer is yes. My hope is that if we trade Lee and the pick, that we could unload Zach, Curry, Snacks and possibly JJ2. That would be a major win. Funny how major wins at this point are giving up talent to undo Isiah damage.

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5/22/2008  7:14 PM
Since TB stole my trade proposal shine with his colorful post below, I am taking it right back.

I wonder if Washington would do Etan Thomas (2 years left) and Andre Blatche for Eddie Curry. They don't play much defense anyway. They get an established low post scorer who can draw doubles. Makes sense to me.

PS: I like trueblues proposal below.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 22-05-2008 7:24 PM]

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 22-05-2008 7:25 PM]
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