So should we be looking for old school type players? Because a lot of these guys talk of and play like old school.

These videos do that to ya, don't they?

I miss the old school type player on the Knicks.

Posted by CrushAlot:

The new coach has 30 minute practices, doesn't coach defense, and his way to get players to play hard is to treat them like men. Good luck.

Source?

Okay, but he still won 50 plus a season, with a handful of very good players and Nash it's only real star. To me, he's doing something right. He should be able to get at least 30 win (minimum) for the next few years, with the current team we have now. Which would mean they actually have a roof that would be much higher than the last three years, under chicago-isiah.

Posted by CrushAlot:

Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudamire, Grant Hill, Joe Johnson, Leonardo Barbosa, etc. I don't think you can say Nash was his only real star.

See how Marion does without a pass first PG. His game is suspect. Stoudamire is an athletic beast. Grant Hill has not been a star since he left Detroit. Joe Johnson is a decent player, not a star. Barbosa still is too soon to tell. Nash. Marion and Stoudamire are all better than any player on the Knicks over the last 6 years. The rest are decent players that you are over emphasizing to sell your point. 4949 is only saying that he can win at least 30 with the current roster.

Either way, some fundamental basketball skills could go far for this team. But, I cannot understand how people say this team doesn't have any talent. That is just patently untrue. Executives around the league acknowledge the level of ability on this team, its just that our talent comes in the form of bad contracts and questionable personalities. The team lacks chemistry. Perhaps the new management can create a different environment to change that. Either way, some players got to go.

Bowen in his video forgot to show how he make players twist their ankles landing on his foot.

Posted by mattshaw78:

Bowen in his video forgot to show how he make players twist their ankles landing on his foot.

That's true, but he was still a master at getting away with it.

newyorknewyork, I think D'Antoni can' take this team to another level and make them exciting.........for the first time.

I once saw Isaiah punch Mark Price in the the chest when he was driving to the basket. What kind of fundamental is that?

Ira, there has always' been dirty tricks and players in the NBA. I was watching a game between Philly and chicago years ago. A foul was called and one of the players, Charles Barkley lined up on the side and as he and a bull were standing there next to each other, with their hands on their knees, catching a few breaths, Barkley waited for the refs to turn away. He very simple put one hand up and gently shoved the player in the face, standing next to him.

The player stood up facing Barkely, then shoved him backwards, kind of hard. By this time the refs were facing towards the players and the bull got caught pushing Barkley. He got called for a technical foul and somehow Barkley ended up shooting two shots for free. That's 'old school'. Great stuff! The whole stadium saw it. The local television network saw it. Everyone knew about it, except the fefs. And that's where it counted the most.

It's little tricks like that, that make the difference of a few extra points and not having those few extra points. Most NBA fights break out because of things like that. So along with learning and working hard at fundamentals, old school type plays should go along with a players play. Of course you don't want to punch people in the chest and badly injure anyone. You just want your player to develop an edge. One that only frustrates, but doesn't seriously injure.

Barkley used to do things like that a long time ago. He used to crack me up with the plays he would do. Although he was also a very good player, fundamentally, and talent wise, I never really liked him much for his big mouth though.

I think our young guys should talk to the old players, to see what they can learn. I don't think we have that in the Garden.

And Cosmic, you are so right about not listening, not caring, not learning, being fat, spoiled, arrogant prima donna millionairs, who play uninspired basketball. You are sooooo right about that. We definately lack fundamentals and some old school.