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5/18/2008  10:50 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/05/17/2008-05-17_mike_dantoni_tosses_around_different_mix.html

Mike D'Antoni tosses around different mixes to get Knicks up to speed
Saturday, May 17th 2008, 9:10 PM

Now that Mike D'Antoni holds the key to the machine, some Knicks could be sent packing.
Garden favorites or not, more than a few Knicks' days are probably numbered. When the Suns had a chance to draft David Lee in 2005, Mike D'Antoni opposed it, citing Lee's lack of offensive skills.

Lee hasn't developed much of a game since, and hustle and rebounding only go so far for the Knicks' new coach. In Phoenix, he wanted his big men to be scoring threats from all over the court, and that probably won't change. So that doesn't bode well for Renaldo Balkman or Randolph Morris, either.

Despite his status with fans, Lee has limited range and trouble getting his shot off in traffic. When it comes to another member of the 2005 draft, D'Antoni is much higher on Nate Robinson, whom the Suns drafted and immediately packaged with Quentin Richardson for Kurt Thomas.

"Mike doesn't like guys like Lee who can't shoot," a D'Antoni confidant said. "He saw him as a non-scoring power forward when he came out of Florida. But that's why a guy like Jamal Crawford is going to be around. He will thrive in Mike's system. And he likes Nate a lot, too. Mike likes guys who can make plays from anywhere on the court."

Even Zach Randolph will have to diversify his game. In this case, "diversify" doesn't mean shooting more, as "Zebo" probably thinks. He'll have to do more than just catch, hold, dribble, hold, hold some more, and then shoot. Eddy Curry? Who knows what he'll have to do to play in D'Antoni's system - other than the obvious fact that he will have to get into the best shape of his life. Jerome James is a candidate for a buyout or to be packaged in a deal in which the Knicks trade Lee and require the other team to take James, too. On second thought, no one can be that desperate.
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5/18/2008  11:58 AM
I would think that when D'Antonie first looked at Lee before the draft he did not know that Lee would be able to score without shooting the jumpshot in the NBA. Not only does Lee have to ability to shoot 50% from the field but also from making hustle plays, and cutting to the hole he can do other things.

He also is great on the break and rebounding. I really doubt that D'Antonie has the same feelings he had back then about Lee.

At the same time I would not be surprised if Lee was packaged to get rid of an unwanted player on this team. Or better yet for another draft pick.


When I think of a player that might benefit in coach DA's system the main three that popped in my head were Lee, Jamal, and Nate. I also want to see what Chandler can do in this system.

The players that I am not sure about is

Malik
Karate
Marbury
Curry
Mardy

Despite public belief I think Stiffy Long Stockings Q will have problems because he does not have Nash and his game is trash right now.

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5/18/2008  12:29 PM
People are acting like Marion, Amare, & Diaw were all world shooters. Marion isn't a good shooter he is an above average shooter. Amare is an above average shooter. Diaw is a below average shooter.

Lee has 4 skills that make him good for D'Antoni's system in his own way and it will be very visible come camp. Strong rebounder, he dishes out EXCELLENT outlet passes to push the tempo, pretty athletic & runs the floor well, Solid finisher.

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5/18/2008  12:33 PM
Who the hell is karate???

Q, I don't think it's fair to judge Lee on what he was or wasn't gonna become, judging from D'An not drafting him. And Z's biggest problem is TO! He averaged 2.70 a game. Most guards don't even have that many.
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5/18/2008  12:35 PM
Posted by 4949:

Who the hell is karate???

Q, I don't think it's fair to judge Lee on what he was or wasn't gonna become, judging from D'An not drafting him. And Z's biggest problem is TO! He averaged 2.70 a game. Most guards don't even have that many.

Karate James. All the man does is foul players and give them karate chops

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5/18/2008  12:41 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by 4949:

Who the hell is karate???

Q, I don't think it's fair to judge Lee on what he was or wasn't gonna become, judging from D'An not drafting him. And Z's biggest problem is TO! He averaged 2.70 a game. Most guards don't even have that many.

Karate James. All the man does is foul players and give them karate chops

Better known as 'triple cheeseburger'. He does indeed foul an awful lot! Do you guys realize he averages 13.4 minutes a game 'IN HIS CAREER'?
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5/18/2008  12:43 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by 4949:

Who the hell is karate???

Q, I don't think it's fair to judge Lee on what he was or wasn't gonna become, judging from D'An not drafting him. And Z's biggest problem is TO! He averaged 2.70 a game. Most guards don't even have that many.

Karate James. All the man does is foul players and give them karate chops while snacking on a pork chop


fixed it for you

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5/18/2008  12:47 PM
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by 4949:

Who the hell is karate???

Q, I don't think it's fair to judge Lee on what he was or wasn't gonna become, judging from D'An not drafting him. And Z's biggest problem is TO! He averaged 2.70 a game. Most guards don't even have that many.

Karate James. All the man does is foul players and give them karate chops while snacking on a pork chop


fixed it for you
lol
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5/18/2008  1:23 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

People are acting like Marion, Amare, & Diaw were all world shooters. Marion isn't a good shooter he is an above average shooter. Amare is an above average shooter. Diaw is a below average shooter.

Lee has 4 skills that make him good for D'Antoni's system in his own way and it will be very visible come camp. Strong rebounder, he dishes out EXCELLENT outlet passes to push the tempo, pretty athletic & runs the floor well, Solid finisher.


Amare was basically playing the center position and though he isn't the world's greatest shooter he does have a solid outside J. Diaw' skills with ball-handling, passing, and some shooting made him solid contributor, and Marion has the ugliest looking jumper in the game but it still has nearly a 50% fg percentage.

I wouldn't believe most of the stuff being written in the paper until if and when any actions are taking but get serious about Lee he isn't a shooter, decent passer (he's averaged a whopping 1 assist) and still has some ways to go on his outside shot. So I think that its important to remember that no one on this roster is untouchable and nor should they be.
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5/18/2008  1:35 PM
What I wanna know is since when does David Lee have a problem scoring in traffic?

D'Antoni didn't think David could score? Hell I didn't think he could score either! I didn't think he could play at all. When I saw David in summer league his first year, that changed all that. David Lee is a good player.

Its still a good debate on whether D'antoni or Donnie for that matter will keep him. He has massive respect around the league. If the Knicks could get a good player for Lee and a contract then cha-ching! If they do that then they should move Marbs too if they can to get another good player.
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5/18/2008  2:10 PM
I think it will be interesting what you do with Lee. Do you pay him 45 million and get 16-12 from the four position the next 5 years? DO you trade him for a draft pick which would be retarded because you have no idea what your getting with a draft pick and you know what you have with him. Only 8 players in his draft are having a better career and about 5 from last year. Do you trade him with a bad contract and start all over?
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5/18/2008  2:31 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

People are acting like Marion, Amare, & Diaw were all world shooters. Marion isn't a good shooter he is an above average shooter. Amare is an above average shooter. Diaw is a below average shooter.

Lee has 4 skills that make him good for D'Antoni's system in his own way and it will be very visible come camp. Strong rebounder, he dishes out EXCELLENT outlet passes to push the tempo, pretty athletic & runs the floor well, Solid finisher.


Amare was basically playing the center position and though he isn't the world's greatest shooter he does have a solid outside J. Diaw' skills with ball-handling, passing, and some shooting made him solid contributor, and Marion has the ugliest looking jumper in the game but it still has nearly a 50% fg percentage.

I wouldn't believe most of the stuff being written in the paper until if and when any actions are taking but get serious about Lee he isn't a shooter, decent passer (he's averaged a whopping 1 assist) and still has some ways to go on his outside shot. So I think that its important to remember that no one on this roster is untouchable and nor should they be.

Who said anyone on the roster was untouchable? Lee is an excellent outlet passer to start a fast break after a rebound. That doesn't mean that he is going to end up with a bunch of assist. He doesn't touch the ball enough offensively to have a lot of assist. But it does mean that its a great attribute to have in D'Antoni's system.

I didn't say that Lee did have an jumper or was even going to improve on it. The point is that Marion, Stoud, Diaw were the players they were in D'Antoni's system not because of there shooting ability but because of there physical abilities and skill sets. So the shooting part to me is overblown. Lee can easily find a big role in D'Antoni's system with his own skill set, hustle, good teammate, high IQ even though he can't shoot. Much like Boris Diaw.

If Lee was moved it wouldn't be because of his shooting abilty but because resigning him would effect Walsh plans to go after Lebron.
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5/18/2008  2:36 PM
Its an opinion article written by one of the stupidest writers that covers the Knicks. So what exactly is it worth?
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Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

People are acting like Marion, Amare, & Diaw were all world shooters. Marion isn't a good shooter he is an above average shooter. Amare is an above average shooter. Diaw is a below average shooter.

Lee has 4 skills that make him good for D'Antoni's system in his own way and it will be very visible come camp. Strong rebounder, he dishes out EXCELLENT outlet passes to push the tempo, pretty athletic & runs the floor well, Solid finisher.


Amare was basically playing the center position and though he isn't the world's greatest shooter he does have a solid outside J. Diaw' skills with ball-handling, passing, and some shooting made him solid contributor, and Marion has the ugliest looking jumper in the game but it still has nearly a 50% fg percentage.

I wouldn't believe most of the stuff being written in the paper until if and when any actions are taking but get serious about Lee he isn't a shooter, decent passer (he's averaged a whopping 1 assist) and still has some ways to go on his outside shot. So I think that its important to remember that no one on this roster is untouchable and nor should they be.

Who said anyone on the roster was untouchable? Lee is an excellent outlet passer to start a fast break after a rebound. That doesn't mean that he is going to end up with a bunch of assist. He doesn't touch the ball enough offensively to have a lot of assist. But it does mean that its a great attribute to have in D'Antoni's system.

I didn't say that Lee did have an jumper or was even going to improve on it. The point is that Marion, Stoud, Diaw were the players they were in D'Antoni's system not because of there shooting ability but because of there physical abilities and skill sets. So the shooting part to me is overblown. Lee can easily find a big role in D'Antoni's system with his own skill set, hustle, good teammate, high IQ even though he can't shoot. Much like Boris Diaw.

If Lee was moved it wouldn't be because of his shooting abilty but because resigning him would effect Walsh plans to go after Lebron.

No offense but you act as though outlet passing is some kind of special ability its not and every post player should be able to throw a good outlet pass. Thats an essential thing to being a post player.

Where did Lebron come into the mix? If this is Walsh's big plans for the future hoping to ensnare Lebron away from Clev and whoever else bids on him, he's going to be in for a rude awakening like many Knick fans.
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5/18/2008  3:36 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Its an opinion article written by one of the stupidest writers that covers the Knicks. So what exactly is it worth?

agreed!

D'Antoni said he want's players who can make quick and smart decisions with the ball. Using that definition, I think its Lee is a better fit for D'Antoni than Crawford.

Lee couldn't hit FT's his first year- now he shoots 80%.

Towards the end of last season, he started to show his 12 ft jumper. I can see Lee developing a 3pt shot in a few years- he works hard, and he gets better.
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5/18/2008  7:12 PM
u need a team full of guys who fill their roles well... whether Lee can shoot the rock or not he's great at what he does well, & that's rebounding, running & finishing on the break... he's also a solid passer & has a great attitude... if Mike wants to reinstill some sort of sanity around here & get back to playing team oriented basketball, D Lee is a guy he needs to hold onto unless there's a trade out there to bring in a player we really need... trading him just to get Jerome James' contract off our books is a moronic move to make.
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5/18/2008  7:24 PM
Posted by TMS:

u need a team full of guys who fill their roles well... whether Lee can shoot the rock or not he's great at what he does well, & that's rebounding, running & finishing on the break... he's also a solid passer & has a great attitude... if Mike wants to reinstill some sort of sanity around here & get back to playing team oriented basketball, D Lee is a guy he needs to hold onto unless there's a trade out there to bring in a player we really need... trading him just to get Jerome James' contract off our books is a moronic move to make.

Lee is starting next year. No question.
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Posted by bitty41:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

People are acting like Marion, Amare, & Diaw were all world shooters. Marion isn't a good shooter he is an above average shooter. Amare is an above average shooter. Diaw is a below average shooter.

Lee has 4 skills that make him good for D'Antoni's system in his own way and it will be very visible come camp. Strong rebounder, he dishes out EXCELLENT outlet passes to push the tempo, pretty athletic & runs the floor well, Solid finisher.


Amare was basically playing the center position and though he isn't the world's greatest shooter he does have a solid outside J. Diaw' skills with ball-handling, passing, and some shooting made him solid contributor, and Marion has the ugliest looking jumper in the game but it still has nearly a 50% fg percentage.

I wouldn't believe most of the stuff being written in the paper until if and when any actions are taking but get serious about Lee he isn't a shooter, decent passer (he's averaged a whopping 1 assist) and still has some ways to go on his outside shot. So I think that its important to remember that no one on this roster is untouchable and nor should they be.

Who said anyone on the roster was untouchable? Lee is an excellent outlet passer to start a fast break after a rebound. That doesn't mean that he is going to end up with a bunch of assist. He doesn't touch the ball enough offensively to have a lot of assist. But it does mean that its a great attribute to have in D'Antoni's system.

I didn't say that Lee did have an jumper or was even going to improve on it. The point is that Marion, Stoud, Diaw were the players they were in D'Antoni's system not because of there shooting ability but because of there physical abilities and skill sets. So the shooting part to me is overblown. Lee can easily find a big role in D'Antoni's system with his own skill set, hustle, good teammate, high IQ even though he can't shoot. Much like Boris Diaw.

If Lee was moved it wouldn't be because of his shooting abilty but because resigning him would effect Walsh plans to go after Lebron.

No offense but you act as though outlet passing is some kind of special ability its not and every post player should be able to throw a good outlet pass. Thats an essential thing to being a post player.

Where did Lebron come into the mix? If this is Walsh's big plans for the future hoping to ensnare Lebron away from Clev and whoever else bids on him, he's going to be in for a rude awakening like many Knick fans.

No offense but you took a small comment about his outlet passing which is again EXCELLENT and turned it into how many assist he gets per game. Every big should be able to throw a good outlet pass. But most bigs don't look to do so consistantly. Which is probably why Lee's outlet passing stands out. I know im not the only one because ive seen people post commenting on Lee's outlet passing on this board. And is again a good attribute to have in D'Antoni's uptempo game.

Outlet passing a quality or not, his rebounding, hustle, IQ, low turn over rate, 82%ft shooting can't be question.

Lebron has been in the mix ever since Walsh stated he was trying to get cap flexibility by 2010 when Lebron is to become a free agent. So I guess we are in for a rude awakening.
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5/18/2008  7:44 PM
Been thinking about this lately.

Jerome James-- Needs to go. All hamburger jokes aside, he cannot fit in the gameplan. With Shaq in the West again, the reactionary 'big body' move is now completely redundant. We should look for a WC team to take him off our hands as a back up. We will need to package at least Balk to make it work. Utah might be a good fit. They have an abundance of shooting and a lesser amount of big bodies. Jerome James, NRob and Balkman for Kyle Korver and Morris Almond?
Zach Randolph--Gots to go. He can't jump. Athleticism comes at a premium in a Suns-style system. Despite the negative attacks on him, clearly this year he has shown the ability to keep his nose clean and out of the negative media spotlight. I understand that Walsh may want nothing more to do with Artest, but Randolph and Chandler to Sactown for Artest and Kenny Thomas might work.
Eddie Curry--Again, look to the West. I am thinking to Dallas with David Lee for Josh Howard.
Randolph Morris-- Can stay. costs little. Might be able to run. Let's see.
David Lee-- Trading Chip. Can work in any system, so I would love to hold onto him, but I don't want to give him the dollars he deserves at this time.
Renaldo Balkman-- Trading chip. SFs that cannot shoot are not valuble, despite his ability to finish.
Wilson Chandler-- Trading Chip. I'd like to keep him, but if we need to move him to turn over the roster, it works.
Quentin Richardson-- I'd like to move him, but not if it costs us much. Mardy Collins and Qrich to Atlanta for a resigned Josh Childress.
Jared Jeffries. Probably hard to move this contract.
Nate Robinson-- Trading Chip.
Malik Rose. Hold until the trade deadline. Leave him on the IR. I don't want to see his lame shots again. Good character though, so I won't trash him any further.
Stephon Marbury. I love the idea of Marbs for Barbosa and Diaw. I can't imagine how this works under the cap or what else we have to take back, but I see it in the news, so maybe knows things that I don't. I will throw in any other player to get this done.
Mardy Collins-- Trading chip.
Jamal Crawford--Will work in this system. Hits free throws. Has good size. Can break down nearly any defender. Good outside shot. Creates own shot.
Draft: Jerryd Bayless
MLE: Chris 'Birdman' Anderson.
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Howard/Korver
Artest/Almond/Nachbar
Childress/Kenny Thomas/Jeffries
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5/18/2008  8:03 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

People are acting like Marion, Amare, & Diaw were all world shooters. Marion isn't a good shooter he is an above average shooter. Amare is an above average shooter. Diaw is a below average shooter.

Lee has 4 skills that make him good for D'Antoni's system in his own way and it will be very visible come camp. Strong rebounder, he dishes out EXCELLENT outlet passes to push the tempo, pretty athletic & runs the floor well, Solid finisher.


Amare was basically playing the center position and though he isn't the world's greatest shooter he does have a solid outside J. Diaw' skills with ball-handling, passing, and some shooting made him solid contributor, and Marion has the ugliest looking jumper in the game but it still has nearly a 50% fg percentage.

I wouldn't believe most of the stuff being written in the paper until if and when any actions are taking but get serious about Lee he isn't a shooter, decent passer (he's averaged a whopping 1 assist) and still has some ways to go on his outside shot. So I think that its important to remember that no one on this roster is untouchable and nor should they be.

Who said anyone on the roster was untouchable? Lee is an excellent outlet passer to start a fast break after a rebound. That doesn't mean that he is going to end up with a bunch of assist. He doesn't touch the ball enough offensively to have a lot of assist. But it does mean that its a great attribute to have in D'Antoni's system.

I didn't say that Lee did have an jumper or was even going to improve on it. The point is that Marion, Stoud, Diaw were the players they were in D'Antoni's system not because of there shooting ability but because of there physical abilities and skill sets. So the shooting part to me is overblown. Lee can easily find a big role in D'Antoni's system with his own skill set, hustle, good teammate, high IQ even though he can't shoot. Much like Boris Diaw.

If Lee was moved it wouldn't be because of his shooting abilty but because resigning him would effect Walsh plans to go after Lebron.

No offense but you act as though outlet passing is some kind of special ability its not and every post player should be able to throw a good outlet pass. Thats an essential thing to being a post player.

Where did Lebron come into the mix? If this is Walsh's big plans for the future hoping to ensnare Lebron away from Clev and whoever else bids on him, he's going to be in for a rude awakening like many Knick fans.

No offense but you took a small comment about his outlet passing which is again EXCELLENT and turned it into how many assist he gets per game. Every big should be able to throw a good outlet pass. But most bigs don't look to do so consistantly. Which is probably why Lee's outlet passing stands out. I know im not the only one because ive seen people post commenting on Lee's outlet passing on this board. And is again a good attribute to have in D'Antoni's uptempo game.

Outlet passing a quality or not, his rebounding, hustle, IQ, low turn over rate, 82%ft shooting can't be question.

Lebron has been in the mix ever since Walsh stated he was trying to get cap flexibility by 2010 when Lebron is to become a free agent. So I guess we are in for a rude awakening.

How is it a rude awakening? Is that a bad' thing?
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