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5/16/2008  8:24 AM
Knicks' Walsh wooed D'Antoni with love and money, as Bulls lost out
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By Chad Ford
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When Donnie Walsh took over as the president of the New York Knicks in March, he promised to bring hope and change to the most dysfunctional franchise in sports.

Walsh's first big moves as Knicks president show he's going to walk the walk. First he fired Isiah Thomas as coach. And now Walsh has lured Mike D'Antoni from the Phoenix Suns to the Knicks -- an improbable home run that could immediately turn the fortunes of a franchise in desperate need of optimism. D'Antoni will bring a pedigree of exciting, winning basketball that should inject new life into a tired Knicks franchise.

Scoring D'Antoni wasn't easy for New York. Chicago, with a group of young, talented athletes, appeared to be a great fit for D'Antoni, and he wanted to work it out with the Bulls. The team appeared to be a great coach away from returning to its status as a contender in the East.

The struggling, rebuilding Knicks, in contrast, appeared to be years away from winning in the NBA's most demanding market. Walsh was widely expected to hire Mark Jackson, work on cleaning up the roster and patiently wait until the free-agent class of 2010 hit the market.

It was only over the past few days that details began to emerge from ESPN.com's Marc Stein that the Knicks were throwing all their weight behind an offer for D'Antoni.

How did Walsh pull off the coup of the year? By using his 20-plus years of experience as a GM to woo D'Antoni. There's a reason many of his peers consider Walsh the best GM in the league.


Walsh knows coaches want to be loved. He knew D'Antoni was coming off a bad breakup with a GM who questioned his defensive chops and wondered aloud whether D'Antoni's style could win championships.

More than money or security, D'Antoni was looking for a boss who believed in him -- the same way his former boss, Bryan Colangelo, believed.

Walsh understood that, and that gave him an advantage in the recruiting process.

While Walsh's counterpart in Chicago, John Paxson, hedged and asked D'Antoni to consider hiring a veteran defensive coach, Walsh was decisive. He let D'Antoni know that he was a big fan and wanted the coach to bring the same excitement to New York that he brought to Phoenix.

Walsh told D'Antoni he was committed to giving him the players he needs to succeed. He even went through each player on the roster with his coach-to-be, discussing who would be a good fit and who wouldn't.

Walsh was a true believer. The Bulls, at times, acted like they needed to be convinced.

Obviously money played a big part in the wooing of D'Antoni as well. The Bulls were hesitant to offer D'Antoni a big deal, while the Knicks came right away with a big offer, reported to be $24 million for four years -- another sign that they were committed, long term, to what D'Antoni was going to bring.

"The money and years were important," said one veteran NBA agent with knowledge of the situation. "But it's also what the money and years represent. For a coach looking to be embraced, it says, 'We want you and we want you badly.' Sometimes that's all they need hear. Coaches need a relationship with management to succeed. Mike felt like he could work with Donnie."


D'Antoni's arrival now gives the Knicks an identity to build around. Look for Walsh to be aggressive in the coming months and years in finding players -- particularly long athletes and jump shooters -- to fit D'Antoni's up-tempo, high-efficiency style.

The Knicks actually have a decent core already for D'Antoni to work with. David Lee, Nate Robinson, Wilson Chandler, Jamal Crawford and Quentin Richardson (a former Sun) should be good fits in what the Knicks will want to do.


But they still need a point guard who can push the tempo and an athletic big man who can run the floor and score in the paint.
The Knicks who currently play those positions appear to be poor fits for D'Antoni's system -- especially Stephon Marbury and Zach Randolph, who will surely be on the trading block. A few other players, such as Eddy Curry and Renaldo Balkman, are probably wild cards.

New York also has a potential top-five pick in the draft. If it can acquire a dominant point guard like Derrick Rose, an exciting combo guard like Jerryd Bayless or an athletic wing like O.J. Mayo, the Knicks should be immediately able to add some offensive firepower.

Just as important, Walsh now has yet another big chip in the game when it comes to wooing free agents. Players already love New York and all the trappings that come with playing in the league's biggest media market.

Players also love playing for Mike D'Antoni. They love to get up and down the floor. They love coaches who treat them like adults and give them the freedom to play.

When the Knicks hit 2010 with cap room, as planned, players such as LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, expected to be free agents that summer, may find the combination of D'Antoni, New York and an improving Knicks roster too good to pass up.


Meanwhile, the Bulls, once again, are on the outside looking in. Once again, the story is about the one who got away.

Over the past several years, a series of high-profile players, from Kevin Garnett to Pau Gasol to Kobe Bryant, were rumored to be on their way to Chicago. In each case, it appears the Bulls' indecision and aversion to risk hampered their ability to pursue a game-changing deal.


Losing D'Antoni could be another big blow in Paxson's quest to turn the Bulls into a title contender. I wrote earlier in the week that D'Antoni, as long as he got cooperation from management, had what it took to save the Bulls. There are other coaches, such as former Dallas Mavericks coach Avery Johnson and Boston Celtics assistant Tom Thibodeau, who can run the team. But none of them can bring to Chicago the cachet, excitement or offensive system D'Antoni would have.

So in Chicago, many questions remain about the viability of the Bulls' roster, the direction the franchise is heading and what to do about their free agents. Meanwhile, the Knicks are announcing loud and clear how they intend to turn around the franchise.
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5/16/2008  9:16 AM
That's a great article. It's nice we have some professionalism back with our franchise.
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5/16/2008  9:28 AM
There's nobody in the NBA that knows more about how to run a front office than Donnie Walsh. I think its quite obvious that he was handpicked by David Stern for this job- from having the NY background and savvy to having that team building knowledge.

I think the more you think about it, the more the D'Antoni hire makes complete sense. When you consider the massive scope of what needs to be done here, and just how long it could take- there is still a very attractive "floor" to what D'Antoni offers. D'Antoni has a system that is perfect for instilling confidence in players and developing their overall talent. He has a style of play that will bring excitement and enthusiasm back to the fan base. And he has long term perspective. So no matter what happens with D'Antoni's tenure here, the Knicks will probably come out the better for it, for either himself or the coach to follow.
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5/16/2008  9:29 AM
For the 1st time in a long time we have a Coach and GM who have a direction, plan, scheme and will to form an identity for the team. Some may not like the new direction, but it's a good thing to at least have a sense of purpose and a real goal again. Isiah who originally was headed toward a more athletic uptempo team, but then switched gears mid way and tried to go with a power post up team, didn't have the commitment and skill to do this. You have to feel that Walsh and D'Antoni have not only the commitment, but the know how to get this done.

At least Isiah didn't give away this pick. He did still bring in some young talent and I think despite the poor record Walsh has something to start to work with. People will deal with Walsh and won't assume they can take advantage of him in trades. There's already a new level of respect for the franchise around the league. That's progress to be glad about.
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5/16/2008  10:06 AM
Posted by nixluva:

For the 1st time in a long time we have a Coach and GM who have a direction, plan, scheme and will to form an identity for the team. Some may not like the new direction, but it's a good thing to at least have a sense of purpose and a real goal again. Isiah who originally was headed toward a more athletic uptempo team, but then switched gears mid way and tried to go with a power post up team, didn't have the commitment and skill to do this. You have to feel that Walsh and D'Antoni have not only the commitment, but the know how to get this done.

At least Isiah didn't give away this pick. He did still bring in some young talent and I think despite the poor record Walsh has something to start to work with. People will deal with Walsh and won't assume they can take advantage of him in trades. There's already a new level of respect for the franchise around the league. That's progress to be glad about.
thats all I ever asked for.. a plan. That why I hated Isiah, he had none. First it was young and athletic, then it was Mo Taylor and Jalen Rose. Then it was expiring contracts and extra draft picks. It changed every 4 months. Isiah brought some good players and coaches in. He made some ok draft picks. But there was no plan, no system, no team and concept of building anything, and the result were 20 win seasons.

I dont know if DW will succeed but there can be no argument that there is at least a plan in place, and thats a good thing. I like the start.

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5/16/2008  11:34 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by nixluva:

For the 1st time in a long time we have a Coach and GM who have a direction, plan, scheme and will to form an identity for the team. Some may not like the new direction, but it's a good thing to at least have a sense of purpose and a real goal again. Isiah who originally was headed toward a more athletic uptempo team, but then switched gears mid way and tried to go with a power post up team, didn't have the commitment and skill to do this. You have to feel that Walsh and D'Antoni have not only the commitment, but the know how to get this done.

At least Isiah didn't give away this pick. He did still bring in some young talent and I think despite the poor record Walsh has something to start to work with. People will deal with Walsh and won't assume they can take advantage of him in trades. There's already a new level of respect for the franchise around the league. That's progress to be glad about.
thats all I ever asked for.. a plan. That why I hated Isiah, he had none. First it was young and athletic, then it was Mo Taylor and Jalen Rose. Then it was expiring contracts and extra draft picks. It changed every 4 months. Isiah brought some good players and coaches in. He made some ok draft picks. But there was no plan, no system, no team and concept of building anything, and the result were 20 win seasons.

I dont know if DW will succeed but there can be no argument that there is at least a plan in place, and thats a good thing. I like the start.


Good post.. and one thing I beleive, even if you plan, you can still fail, but at least it is not from lack of planning... That is all I ask for.. give me a plan, if it goes wrong, OK, at least we can see where it went wrong.. With isiah, he had no plan, he was all over the place, and on top of that he had all the other BS going on... Marbury and his family running wild around the garden, annucha and her agenda and incompetency, sexual harrasment suits, back biting, I mean the whole shabang!! it was a toxic and unprofessional enviornment, and it showed, because even the best baksetball minds(brown and lenny) could not function here. Now we have a true professional in the front office, and believe me, Isiah never lands D'antoni unless he paid him 100 mil... LOL.....

Now we have some direction, will it work? who knows, but at least we have a legit chance at turning it around with these two guys (mike and donnie) leading the way..... I have hope, something I haven't had in years with this team..
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5/16/2008  11:40 AM
Many had hope when Isiah came aboard and brought in Marbury, I wasn't one of them and now........
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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Posted by playa2:

Many had hope when Isiah came aboard and brought in Marbury, I wasn't one of them and now........


playa, you had hope in don chaney, you said he was the architect of the Rockets championships, so maybe your hope is misguided......
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5/16/2008  1:28 PM
Isiah is a person who must fail. If he succeeds it is even worth that failure; because he deserves misery.
So it was no chance for happy ending.
You want people to succeed because they deserve it. Now we have a chance to see the happy ending.
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5/16/2008  2:27 PM
Do we have a plan though? I was happy when Walsh said we were going for cap preservation and all. It would be great to develop our youth. But then we got Mikey D, who is hardly a rebuild coach seemingly. Then there are talks about Diaw and Barbosa and how Mike can win with this team now. I hope it's not more of the same with different management.
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5/16/2008  2:59 PM
for sanity check, i like the d'antoni selection....and i like the walsh selection. unlike the last group i hope egos do not play into this "plan". i also hope for the majority everybody buys into this "plan"
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5/16/2008  3:06 PM
Great, a head coach whose ego needed to be stroked, in addition to more money than anybody was going to offer him, before he would accept this job.

Gotta love a GM who thinks it's more important to pander to a prospective head coach instead of asking about very legitimate concerns about his coaching style. Sure, stroke his ego and tell him that you'll do everything you can to get "his kind of players". If he needs "his kind of players", then why did they go to such great lengths to say that "D'Antoni can coach any style, especially with defense?

This is just another big name acquisition by the Knicks without regard to how the piece fits. Of course that depends on what the goal is. If the goal is building towards a championship, then it doesn't fit. If the goal is to be a playoff contender, be entertaining enough to pacify some of the apathetic fans and most importantly, to deflect criticism from ownership and management that are still intact, then this was the way to go.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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Posted by islesfan:

Gotta love a GM who thinks it's more important to pander to a prospective head coach instead of asking about very legitimate concerns about his coaching style. Sure, stroke his ego and tell him that you'll do everything you can to get "his kind of players". If he needs "his kind of players", then why did they go to such great lengths to say that "D'Antoni can coach any style, especially with defense?

Hold up. We've gone through years and years of coaches (except Isiah) getting no support from management. So, now the complaint is that management is going to support the coach too much?

If you bring in a coach, you better be happy with his current style and his ability to make his own adjustments. If not, you're hiring the wrong coach. Had we taken this approach with Larry Brown, maybe we'd finally be past the proverbial "in just three years we'll be good" speeches.
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5/16/2008  3:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Great, a head coach whose ego needed to be stroked, in addition to more money than anybody was going to offer him, before he would accept this job.

Gotta love a GM who thinks it's more important to pander to a prospective head coach instead of asking about very legitimate concerns about his coaching style. Sure, stroke his ego and tell him that you'll do everything you can to get "his kind of players". If he needs "his kind of players", then why did they go to such great lengths to say that "D'Antoni can coach any style, especially with defense?

This is just another big name acquisition by the Knicks without regard to how the piece fits. Of course that depends on what the goal is. If the goal is building towards a championship, then it doesn't fit. If the goal is to be a playoff contender, be entertaining enough to pacify some of the apathetic fans and most importantly, to deflect criticism from ownership and management that are still intact, then this was the way to go.

Why you have such allergy to big names? Is it because Islanders cannot get one in ages?
Big names make the history. All the rest irrelevant

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5/16/2008  3:50 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by islesfan:

Gotta love a GM who thinks it's more important to pander to a prospective head coach instead of asking about very legitimate concerns about his coaching style. Sure, stroke his ego and tell him that you'll do everything you can to get "his kind of players". If he needs "his kind of players", then why did they go to such great lengths to say that "D'Antoni can coach any style, especially with defense?

Hold up. We've gone through years and years of coaches (except Isiah) getting no support from management. So, now the complaint is that management is going to support the coach too much?

If you bring in a coach, you better be happy with his current style and his ability to make his own adjustments. If not, you're hiring the wrong coach. Had we taken this approach with Larry Brown, maybe we'd finally be past the proverbial "in just three years we'll be good" speeches.

No, that's not it at all.

Every coach that Isiah hired was brought in because they were big names. They were told what they wanted to hear in order to get them here, along with the great paycheck. All of this was done without regard to how they fit here. The same thing was done with D'Antoni.

The difference is that Wilkens and Brown were bad fits because of Isiah, who cared more about his own self preservation and legacy than about anybody or anything else. Mike D'Antoni is a bad fit because of his system which needs the perfect players to even have the success that he had in Phoenix and regardless of what they said at the press conference, he doesn't focus on defense nearly enough. At best that system gets you his Phoenix Suns, but the most likely scenario is the Denver Nuggets.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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5/16/2008  3:51 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by islesfan:

Great, a head coach whose ego needed to be stroked, in addition to more money than anybody was going to offer him, before he would accept this job.

Gotta love a GM who thinks it's more important to pander to a prospective head coach instead of asking about very legitimate concerns about his coaching style. Sure, stroke his ego and tell him that you'll do everything you can to get "his kind of players". If he needs "his kind of players", then why did they go to such great lengths to say that "D'Antoni can coach any style, especially with defense?

This is just another big name acquisition by the Knicks without regard to how the piece fits. Of course that depends on what the goal is. If the goal is building towards a championship, then it doesn't fit. If the goal is to be a playoff contender, be entertaining enough to pacify some of the apathetic fans and most importantly, to deflect criticism from ownership and management that are still intact, then this was the way to go.

Why you have such allergy to big names? Is it because Islanders cannot get one in ages?
Big names make the history. All the rest irrelevant

All the Rangers do is get big names. How's that history working out?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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5/16/2008  4:06 PM
so these big name coaches knew the players and zeke would be a bad fit but took dolan's money anyway
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5/16/2008  4:08 PM
Posted by Bobby:

so these big name coaches knew the players and zeke would be a bad fit but took dolan's money anyway

No, those big name coaches were lied to, sabotaged and thrown under the bus by Isiah.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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5/16/2008  4:18 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bobby:

so these big name coaches knew the players and zeke would be a bad fit but took dolan's money anyway

No, those big name coaches were lied to, sabotaged and thrown under the bus by Isiah.

do you think d'antoni is being lied to and will eventually get thrown under the bus if this fails

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5/16/2008  4:19 PM
Colangelo and Walsh are easily regarded as 2 of the top 5 GMs in the sport. Both have hired DAntoni.

Isles you can spin this anyway you want. He got the best coach available for this job and for what they are trying to accomplish.

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