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McK1
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5/15/2008  8:02 PM
"lee + rose for mike miller and the 28th pick"

IMO its a great deal.
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5/15/2008  8:05 PM
I'd do it, but I wanna see if you can work something with Zach and Curry too. I think Lee's far more valueable in that aspect. Of course I wanna keep Lee, but the more I think of it, the more I realize it's unrealistic, thanks to Isiah.
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5/15/2008  8:08 PM
That is four hours away that is perfect. You can get more for Lee than Mike Miller
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5/15/2008  8:15 PM
If you are trading Lee with an expiring contract you better get something better than that.
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5/15/2008  8:24 PM
whomelse is available that fills as many team needs as Mike would and also brings an extra 1st rder (huge since Zeke traded this year's second)along with it if the deal as stands is on the table?

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5/15/2008  8:34 PM
Its just not something i would even look at. This is a team that needs to cut dead weight. I'm not looking to trade Nate, Lee, or Chandler unless it unloads a large contract in the process.

btw, i have no problem letting Chandler develop at SF.

[Edited by - jaydh on 05-15-2008 8:35 PM]
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5/15/2008  8:42 PM
IMO if we want to make the most of Lee's value, we have to use him in a sign and trade when he's free to sign elsewhere.
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5/15/2008  8:51 PM
Posted by eViL:

IMO if we want to make the most of Lee's value, we have to use him in a sign and trade when he's free to sign elsewhere.

That's risky because he has to agree to the sign and trade. He could just sign with another team on his own.
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5/15/2008  9:32 PM
Posted by jaydh:

If you are trading Lee with an expiring contract you better get something better than that.

I tend to agree although the trade's not bad McK1 - I like both Mike Miller as a player and the idea of getting another pick in this deep draft. So we're on the right track here.

How about this - I posted this the other day:

Lee, Balkman and a resigned Randolph Morris (in the $900,000 - $1,000,000 range) to Sacramento for Shelden Williams and pick #12.

Knicks - We turn pick #12 into JaVale McGee. Love his size (legit 7'), length, skill set and potential. Gotta give Briggs some love on this - he's been talking about this kid for a while now. This could be our center for the next 12 years. The kid's a late bloomer and obviously has some things to work on but the potential this kid has is just disgusting. Would make perfect sense especially if we wind up finding any takers for Eddy Curry. And we get Shelden Williams who slides right into the David Lee role. He's bigger and more rugged than Lee and much better equipped to guard the interior - one of our biggest weaknesses for the last few seasons now (legit NBA PF size/can play some C, can rebound and actually block a shot or two). The fact that Williams might be considered a bust at this point further intrigues me - we probably wouldn't have to pony up as much money to secure him as we would for Lee when the time comes as Lee's the more established vet between the two at this point. With playing time though (which hasn't been there for him yet) Williams could be a major contributor. The guy's got Antonio Davis/Dale Davis written all over him and those were two excellent role players. He just needs more than 10 mins. a night to show it. You don't become a star at one of the best college programs in America and get nicknamed 'the landlord' if you can't play, bottom line.

Kings - They get David Lee who we already know Geoff Petrie wanted from the beginning of last year when he was ready to deal Artest for him (reports at the time say that Isiah Thomas was the one that shot the deal down). Lee's smarts, energy, athletism, youth and double-double ability would be perfect for their aging frontcourt. It would give Theus the opportunity to rest guys like Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Kenny Thomas and Mikki Moore (assuming they bring him back) much more, keeping them all fresh for the stretch run & playoffs. Lee as a PF is better suited in the faster-paced Western Conference anyway imo. And they get Balkman who can provide more athletism and defense to a team already full of offensive firepower. Much like with the addition of Lee, Theus could now rest Artest more with Balkman on the court. And imagine what little defensive tricks Balkman could pick up playing with/practicing against Artest everyday. Scary stuff... Morris would just be filler at this point to make the trade work money-wise, but who knows, he could develop into something someday. The Kings suddenly become a much, much more complete team with this trade.

Any thoughts??
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5/15/2008  9:50 PM
Posted by jaydh:

If you are trading Lee with an expiring contract you better get something better than that.

would u do Malik & D Lee for Camby?
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5/15/2008  9:54 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

If you are trading Lee with an expiring contract you better get something better than that.

would u do Malik & D Lee for Camby?

I wouldn't. We are building for a club 2-3 years down the road and Camby will be on the downside by then.
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5/15/2008  10:08 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

If you are trading Lee with an expiring contract you better get something better than that.

would u do Malik & D Lee for Camby?

I wouldn't. We are building for a club 2-3 years down the road and Camby will be on the downside by then.

Yeah but damn....zach and camby would be a really nice tandem. Curry could kick rocks......I trust D'antoni to work the system and game plan better than isiah.....well way better than Isiah its not even funny. Curry to Memphis makes loads of sense too you know.....

Jeez guys the possibilities!
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5/15/2008  10:10 PM
I think Camby is one of the most overated players in the NBA. The guys takes nights off almost two out of three games. I want no part of Camby, nor do I want any part of Mike Miller.
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5/15/2008  10:14 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

If you are trading Lee with an expiring contract you better get something better than that.

would u do Malik & D Lee for Camby?

I wouldn't. We are building for a club 2-3 years down the road and Camby will be on the downside by then.

Camby's contract expires in 2 years anyway... doesn't hurt our long range plans at all.
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5/15/2008  10:24 PM
IMO, its not.
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5/15/2008  10:28 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

If you are trading Lee with an expiring contract you better get something better than that.

would u do Malik & D Lee for Camby?

I wouldn't. We are building for a club 2-3 years down the road and Camby will be on the downside by then.

Camby's contract expires in 2 years anyway... doesn't hurt our long range plans at all.

but Lee should net us a better asset or move a player with a bad contract... not just malik.
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5/15/2008  10:36 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

If you are trading Lee with an expiring contract you better get something better than that.

would u do Malik & D Lee for Camby?

I see where you're coming from. A deal for Camby's good for several reasons. Obviously, he's everything we need in a center right now skill-wise: quickness, can run the floor (out of any center in pro basketball he'd flourish the most playing under a guy like D'Antoni), monster rebounder and the defense esp. coming from the weakside is unparalleled. Plus his frontloaded contract is quite manageable - 10 mil. this past season then only 2 seasons left - 8 mil. next season, 7.6 mil. the following year. Keeps the Walsh philosophy of making the team more competitive now AND not taking any contracts past the 2009/10 season intact. My chief concerns would be his age (34) and the fact that he's injury-prone.

The deal doesn't work money-wise though (we'd be sending more money to Denver than we'd be receiving - and the last thing I'd want to do is restructure Camby's contract in any way to make it work - not at his age and not when we have to manage this cap the way Walsh wants/needs too at all costs.

TMS - what do you think of this kid McGee? You think he's got a chance to be another Camby?

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5/15/2008  11:13 PM
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5/15/2008  11:36 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

If you are trading Lee with an expiring contract you better get something better than that.

would u do Malik & D Lee for Camby?

I see where you're coming from. A deal for Camby's good for several reasons. Obviously, he's everything we need in a center right now skill-wise: quickness, can run the floor (out of any center in pro basketball he'd flourish the most playing under a guy like D'Antoni), monster rebounder and the defense esp. coming from the weakside is unparalleled. Plus his frontloaded contract is quite manageable - 10 mil. this past season then only 2 seasons left - 8 mil. next season, 7.6 mil. the following year. Keeps the Walsh philosophy of making the team more competitive now AND not taking any contracts past the 2009/10 season intact. My chief concerns would be his age (34) and the fact that he's injury-prone.

The deal doesn't work money-wise though (we'd be sending more money to Denver than we'd be receiving - and the last thing I'd want to do is restructure Camby's contract in any way to make it work - not at his age and not when we have to manage this cap the way Walsh wants/needs too at all costs.

TMS - what do you think of this kid McGee? You think he's got a chance to be another Camby?

don't the CBA rules allow for up to $3 mil in cash to be used to offset any difference in salary, or am i off on this? anyway, the difference is only about a $1 mil or so, maybe a filler could be added on their side to even out the dollars if we can't go the cash route?

on the topic of him being injury prone, that's a valid concern but the past 2 seasons he's played at least 70 games or more, so hopefully that would continue in his final 2 seasons of this contract... in a contract year i'm guessing he wouldn't sit out any games unless he had to.

sorry bro, wish i could give u a qualified opinion on McGee but to be honest i've never even seen the kid play.
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5/15/2008  11:40 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

If you are trading Lee with an expiring contract you better get something better than that.

would u do Malik & D Lee for Camby?

I wouldn't. We are building for a club 2-3 years down the road and Camby will be on the downside by then.

Camby's contract expires in 2 years anyway... doesn't hurt our long range plans at all.

but Lee should net us a better asset or move a player with a bad contract... not just malik.

i dunno how much better of a player we could realistically expect than Camby even at his age... the guy is a stud rebounder & the best shotblocker in the game right now, exactly what this team needs, & he's athletic enough to succeed in D'Antoni's uptempo style... nevermind the fact he's been here before & knows what NY is all about & enjoyed playing here... i think it's a perfect fit.

plus we have to consider the fact that we likely won't be able to hold onto D Lee when it comes time to sign him to an extension anyway, mine as well get a very good player for him now if we can (dunno if DEN would even consider it to be honest).
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