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TrueBlue
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5/13/2008  2:52 AM
Marty Ball was Cleveland Browns, Kansas City Chiefs, and San Diego Chargers. When it counted you could count on Marty Ball to fail in the Post-Season

We're looking more than likely at Kansas City Chiefs type success.


I don't understand why we want entertainment in the form of the Denver Nuggets when plenty of our fans before the hiring were making suggestions for the Nuggets to blow it up. Why? Aren't the Nuggets providing entertainment to their fans? They were one of the highest scoring teams in the league and George Karl has been successful at quite a few stops in the NBA and has coached a team to the NBA Finals yet our fans were suggesting he should be fired because he doesn't stress defense enough in Denver. Don't the Nuggets play at a faster pace? Didn't Karl produce a DPOY in Camby? Didn't Karl help develop 2 young players this yr in Kleiza and Smith? Didn't Karl get two inherently selfish ball hogs to play together to remain All-Stars and finish 3rd and 4rth in the league in scoring? Didn't Denver lose every time to the Spurs in the first round in the playoffs like Suns would lose to them in later rounds?

Why are things different for our team since we hired Mr. Pringles vs others with similar scenarios.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-13-2008 01:55 AM]
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5/13/2008  8:13 AM
really? DAntoni has a + .500 winning % in the playoffs and basicly got eliminated by the Spurs who titles in 3 of those years. Do the Chiefs have a playoff winning % of over .500?

Good post.. really well thought out
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5/13/2008  8:25 AM
after 8 years of pathetic futility, I'll take the play offs, and some one and dones.
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5/13/2008  9:38 AM
I'll give MikeyD 4 years to hit the glass ceiling.

Coaches adapt, coaches grow!

Some eventually reach the summit and celebrate.


Why do we automatically assume MikeyD will do nothing but replecate his Phoenix achievements and nothing more? Hell, he could be a complete and utter disaster!
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5/13/2008  10:15 AM
Don't forget, didn't G Karl also told them that they should be happy if they reach 50 wins when some players were talking about winning in the playoffs. Also i don't know if Melo is really a winner, i mean the jury is still out i guess.
So how does this compare to the knicks situation? Knicks don't have anyone like Melo or Camby or AI and the only thing thats simular is how both coaches team's defense is below average. If we become a 50 win team i'd be happier than a pig in ****.
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5/13/2008  11:08 AM
TrueBlue, you're right man. We just got a coach who is one of hte best in the game, but he's not going to lead us to our first title since Frazier.

We should have held out for... ___________________

Can you fill that in for me? That's where I don't get this argument. We should have hired someone who is more unproven? What's Jax's winning percentage in the playoffs? Oh right, he's never coached.

Tommy Thibs is still licking his wounds on the plane back from Cleveland, but I'm sure he's the answer right?

Larry Brown was supposed to be a sure thing and it seemed like he lost his mind the day he walked in the door.

Mike D'Antoni is a huge get for the lowly Knicks. There is no questioning that.
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5/13/2008  11:10 AM
Marty was an old school martinette. That's not D'Antoni's style.
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5/13/2008  11:54 AM
Avery Johnson- Season .735-Playoffs .489
D'Antoni - Season .608-Playoffs .510
http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/

Marty - Season .613-Playoffs .278
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SchoMa0.htm
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5/13/2008  12:11 PM
All I hope is that Mike can make the team better without requiring additional payroll because if that's the case Donnie Walsh looks like a complete hypocrite and Isiah Thomas seems like he was doing the right thing. The actual right thing is to make this team sucessful while working to get under the cap. This is no easy tasks but trying to acquire Boris Diaw and Barbosa (whose contracts ride out to 2012) would not make any sense. We are not talking about Priest Holmes or Ladanian Thomlinson, we are talking about Diaw and Barbosa (whose role can easily be managed by Nate in my opinion). Mike D reminds me more of Norv Turner, a coach that fell into a good situation ( LT, Merriman, Cromartie vs. Nash, Marion, Amare). Norv Turner track history prior to last year wasn't good. The Phoenix job was D'Antoni's first gig in the NBA (he did coach a good European team but that success does not translate to me). So what D'Antoni does with our New York Knicks will show how good he actually is as a coach and how bright our Knicks future really is...let's pray the right decisions are made.
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5/13/2008  1:31 PM
if u wanted a proven no brainer championship winning type coach for this team than there are really only 2 choices the Knicks could have went after, & unless u can figure out a way to have gotten Greg Popovich or Phil Jackson i don't see the point in continuing to badmouth this hire before the games are even played to see the results... other than those 2 what other proven championship coaches are out there? Pat Riley wasn't a valid choice, he's done with coaching & just got done leading the worst team in the NBA to the top slot in the lottery... the Larry Brown experiment failed miserably... other than those guys there's only coaches who have sustained successful track records in terms of wins & losses to choose from... so then who else has better credentials than Mike D in your eyes? Jerry Sloan maybe? he's a mainstay in Utah & already has a great young team to coach, he's not going anywhere... who else? maybe Don Nelson is close? his system is even more free running & gunning than D'Antoni's... no other coach available had as good a track record after those guys, so the Knicks went & got the best option they could... how do you kill them for doing that?
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5/13/2008  9:42 PM
Posted by fishmike:

really? DAntoni has a + .500 winning % in the playoffs and basicly got eliminated by the Spurs who titles in 3 of those years. Do the Chiefs have a playoff winning % of over .500?

Good post.. really well thought out

Bingo...........schotty has like a .250 win percentage if you really wanted to compare.
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5/13/2008  9:56 PM
Can we stop with dumb ****ing posts that are just nit picking. Our team is garbage our coach is not. There is no reason to complain about this hire.

He played an entire season without Amare, where they supposed to win a championship?

He lost Joe Johnson against the spurs and they got eliminated

Nash had his nose explode and the nba suspeded two of his players, was that his fault?

Was it his fault this season that Grant Hill got injured or they gave Kurt Thomas away because teh owner is cheap, and he game back to kill him and his team didn't close out the first game.

Is it his fault that he is going against the best pf of all time, one of the four best pgs in the league and a clutch closer, the best organization in all of sports, perhaps not.

Be negative if you know what your talking about and have a ****ing clue. But don't look to **** on our coach that is actually a professional, a real dude that knows what he is doing
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5/13/2008  10:06 PM
Posted by Nalod:

I'll give MikeyD 4 years to hit the glass ceiling.

Coaches adapt, coaches grow!

Some eventually reach the summit and celebrate.


Why do we automatically assume MikeyD will do nothing but replecate his Phoenix achievements and nothing more? Hell, he could be a complete and utter disaster!

thanks for conveying lame larry's dream job

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5/14/2008  9:29 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

TrueBlue, you're right man. We just got a coach who is one of hte best in the game, but he's not going to lead us to our first title since Frazier.

We should have held out for... ___________________

Can you fill that in for me? That's where I don't get this argument. We should have hired someone who is more unproven? What's Jax's winning percentage in the playoffs? Oh right, he's never coached.

Tommy Thibs is still licking his wounds on the plane back from Cleveland, but I'm sure he's the answer right?

Larry Brown was supposed to be a sure thing and it seemed like he lost his mind the day he walked in the door.

Mike D'Antoni is a huge get for the lowly Knicks. There is no questioning that.


When Larry Freakin Brown turns around the Bobcats, you will see his name could and should have been inserted in that slot.

Isiah was an enabler that turned LB off.
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5/14/2008  9:57 AM
Sure let's compare post-season winning percentages when the playoff format for one is one and done, while the other is a best of and teams get to play more games at home. That's smart NOT!

I'm talking about having a team or the pieces to win it all, who perform well during the regular season, and then fold/choke in the post -season.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-14-2008 08:59 AM]
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5/14/2008  10:38 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Sure let's compare post-season winning percentages when the playoff format for one is one and done, while the other is a best of and teams get to play more games at home. That's smart NOT!

I'm talking about having a team or the pieces to win it all, who perform well during the regular season, and then fold/choke in the post -season.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-14-2008 08:59 AM]

You made the comparison. And an over .500 win % in the playoffs is not exactly bad.
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Posted by joec32033:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Sure let's compare post-season winning percentages when the playoff format for one is one and done, while the other is a best of and teams get to play more games at home. That's smart NOT!

I'm talking about having a team or the pieces to win it all, who perform well during the regular season, and then fold/choke in the post -season.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-14-2008 08:59 AM]



You made the comparison. And an over .500 win % in the playoffs is not exactly bad.

I wasn't make the comparison of winning percentages.

Supposedly Good coach, high expectations, good team, good regular season, failure after failure in the post-season.

You could throw Flip Saunders in here as well.
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5/14/2008  10:45 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Sure let's compare post-season winning percentages when the playoff format for one is one and done, while the other is a best of and teams get to play more games at home. That's smart NOT!

I'm talking about having a team or the pieces to win it all, who perform well during the regular season, and then fold/choke in the post -season.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-14-2008 08:59 AM]



You made the comparison. And an over .500 win % in the playoffs is not exactly bad.

I wasn't make the comparison of winning percentages.

Supposedly Good coach, high expectations, good team, good regular season, failure after failure in the post-season.

You could throw Flip Saunders in here as well.

Failure in the post season. Exactly how are you defining failure? Seems to me D'Antoni performs well in the playoffs. If your definition of failure is not winning a chip, then 15 teams "fail" every year.
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5/14/2008  10:52 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Sure let's compare post-season winning percentages when the playoff format for one is one and done, while the other is a best of and teams get to play more games at home. That's smart NOT!

I'm talking about having a team or the pieces to win it all, who perform well during the regular season, and then fold/choke in the post -season.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-14-2008 08:59 AM]



You made the comparison. And an over .500 win % in the playoffs is not exactly bad.

I wasn't make the comparison of winning percentages.

Supposedly Good coach, high expectations, good team, good regular season, failure after failure in the post-season.

You could throw Flip Saunders in here as well.

Failure in the post season. Exactly how are you defining failure? Seems to me D'Antoni performs well in the playoffs. If your definition of failure is not winning a chip, then 15 teams "fail" every year.

My definition is being picked as a favorite to win it all, not just having a chance to win it, having the roster, coach, producing a regular season that supports the favoritism and then failing. The Suns had been the favorite to win it all for the past 3 yrs and then to top it off they lost in the first round this yr and were a Tim Thomas 3pt shot from being bounced in the first round in the past 3yrs.

Are seriously going to sit here and rationalize that if Boston doesn't win the Chip their failure is equally monumental as the Sixers and Hawks not getting a Chip? PUHLEEZE!!!!!

Sounds like I'm having a conversation with Stephon Marbury!!


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-14-2008 09:56 AM]
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5/14/2008  11:06 AM
"In Phoenix, he developed a system that turned Steve Nash from a good pro into a Hall of Famer. Two years ago, playing all but two games without Amare Stoudemire, the Suns still won 54 games, made it to the Western finals. Last year, but for an atrocious ruling out of the NBA offices, the Suns would have likely won the NBA championship."
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