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5/12/2008  5:31 PM
I have spouted off my opinion on why I think this is a bad hire. I have only found one guy who gets paid to report and analyze this stuff who thinks it is good. Is there any other good press for D'Antoni other than Berman?
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5/12/2008  5:36 PM
I can care less what the media writers think about this. We have no clue how things will turn out until the roster is rebuilt. No coach can coach what we have right now.
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5/12/2008  5:37 PM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spbarker0513,0,3888809.column

Hiring D'Antoni makes sense for Knicks
Barbara Barker



I'm going to write something nice about the Knicks today. And I swear I'm not doing it because owner Jim Dolan or someone else from Cablevision will soon be the person signing my paycheck.

I'm doing it because for the third time in six weeks the Knicks have done something that's big, that's splashy and that also makes sense. The Knicks have gone out and bought the best available candidate for a job - not just someone with a name like Isiah Thomas or New York ties like Stephon Marbury or an affable personality like Don Chaney.

In less than two months, the Knicks have hired Donnie Walsh as team president, removed Isiah Thomas as coach and outbid the Bulls to get Mike D'Antoni. That's more good moves in six weeks than the franchise has made in the past six seasons.

Yes, the Knicks are still stuck with a disjointed, strange and unaccomplished roster. But for the first time in years there is solid reason to believe that they are past the bottoming-out point, that they are formulating a plan and that the plan has a realistic chance of working.

The plan is not about next year. It's not about the year after. It's about 2010 and maybe the next 10 years after that. It's about landing LeBron James and restoring the excitement that has long been gone from the Garden. It's about luring James with a system that is perfectly suited to his style of play. It's about making a Knicks ticket the hardest one to in town to get again.

There's been a lot of noise out there about how D'Antoni's style is not suited to this Knicks team, about how they would have been better off with a disciplinarian, someone who could knock some sense into their heads and get them to play a little bit of defense.

The reality is who cares what this Knicks team needs now? And where exactly would you go to get a coach who matches this dysfunctional group? Isn't it better to grab the most talented coach out there, and then start looking for the right pieces to complement him? Isn't it better to scrap the whole thing and start over?

Because the Knicks now have an accomplished, savvy and respected basketball executive in Walsh there is actually a good chance they might pull this off. Walsh knows how to judge talent, and he knows how to move players off the salary cap.

Walsh showed his worth over the past week by his ability to woo D'Antoni, by his ability to convince him that it was better to take on a long-term project like the Knicks where he was really needed than go to Chicago where they had a better roster but a management group that might be less supportive of his needs.

Of course, the Knicks have the cash, and they came up with a plenty of it to land D'Antoni. They could have had Mark Jackson, a local guy, a good guy, for a lot less. Hiring Jackson would have been painted as the right thing to do, as a move that would return the team to its New York roots, yada yada yada.

This was the harder move to make, and it was the right one. Jackson may end up being a very good coach one day, but he still hasn't coached a game in the NBA. D'Antoni, until he recently fell out of favor with his owner in Phoenix, was considered one of the best coaches in the game.

He's going to be earning every cent of his gigantic contract next season. But that's OK. If things start going the right way, for the first time in six seasons, Knicks fans will be getting more than their money's worth.
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5/12/2008  5:40 PM
Posted by martin:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spbarker0513,0,3888809.column

Hiring D'Antoni makes sense for Knicks
Barbara Barker



I'm going to write something nice about the Knicks today. And I swear I'm not doing it because owner Jim Dolan or someone else from Cablevision will soon be the person signing my paycheck.

I'm doing it because for the third time in six weeks the Knicks have done something that's big, that's splashy and that also makes sense. The Knicks have gone out and bought the best available candidate for a job - not just someone with a name like Isiah Thomas or New York ties like Stephon Marbury or an affable personality like Don Chaney.

In less than two months, the Knicks have hired Donnie Walsh as team president, removed Isiah Thomas as coach and outbid the Bulls to get Mike D'Antoni. That's more good moves in six weeks than the franchise has made in the past six seasons.

Yes, the Knicks are still stuck with a disjointed, strange and unaccomplished roster. But for the first time in years there is solid reason to believe that they are past the bottoming-out point, that they are formulating a plan and that the plan has a realistic chance of working.

The plan is not about next year. It's not about the year after. It's about 2010 and maybe the next 10 years after that. It's about landing LeBron James and restoring the excitement that has long been gone from the Garden. It's about luring James with a system that is perfectly suited to his style of play. It's about making a Knicks ticket the hardest one to in town to get again.

There's been a lot of noise out there about how D'Antoni's style is not suited to this Knicks team, about how they would have been better off with a disciplinarian, someone who could knock some sense into their heads and get them to play a little bit of defense.

The reality is who cares what this Knicks team needs now? And where exactly would you go to get a coach who matches this dysfunctional group? Isn't it better to grab the most talented coach out there, and then start looking for the right pieces to complement him? Isn't it better to scrap the whole thing and start over?

Because the Knicks now have an accomplished, savvy and respected basketball executive in Walsh there is actually a good chance they might pull this off. Walsh knows how to judge talent, and he knows how to move players off the salary cap.

Walsh showed his worth over the past week by his ability to woo D'Antoni, by his ability to convince him that it was better to take on a long-term project like the Knicks where he was really needed than go to Chicago where they had a better roster but a management group that might be less supportive of his needs.

Of course, the Knicks have the cash, and they came up with a plenty of it to land D'Antoni. They could have had Mark Jackson, a local guy, a good guy, for a lot less. Hiring Jackson would have been painted as the right thing to do, as a move that would return the team to its New York roots, yada yada yada.

This was the harder move to make, and it was the right one. Jackson may end up being a very good coach one day, but he still hasn't coached a game in the NBA. D'Antoni, until he recently fell out of favor with his owner in Phoenix, was considered one of the best coaches in the game.

He's going to be earning every cent of his gigantic contract next season. But that's OK. If things start going the right way, for the first time in six seasons, Knicks fans will be getting more than their money's worth.

She is probably sucking up to Dolan but I do like the hire.
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5/12/2008  5:40 PM
Hollinger was pretty positive too and so was Chad Ford.
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5/12/2008  5:46 PM
We know D'Antoni's style doesn't win championships. We know that he has a thin skin. We know that he doesn't have long practices. We know that he doesn't coach or demand that his players play defense. We know that he was successful when he had Steve Nash and was not successful for the two years he coached without him. We know what happened when Don Nelson coached here. We know the Garden philosophy of finding the big name that doesn't fit. We know that he is getting a roster that was put together without thought for a system of any kind. So I ask my question again, Do you know of any analyst/reporter other than Mark Berman who thinks this was a good move?
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5/12/2008  5:50 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

We know D'Antoni's style doesn't win championships. We know that he has a thin skin. We know that he doesn't have long practices. We know that he doesn't coach or demand that his players play defense. We know that he was successful when he had Steve Nash and was not successful for the two years he coached without him. We know what happened when Don Nelson coached here. We know the Garden philosophy of finding the big name that doesn't fit. We know that he is getting a roster that was put together without thought for a system of any kind. So I ask my question again, Do you know of any analyst/reporter other than Mark Berman who thinks this was a good move?

Magic Johnson and the 80's had that exact style and won a LOT.
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5/12/2008  6:05 PM
Over the last twenty years alot of teams have tried to duplicate the Lakers. However the Lakers also played good defense.
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5/12/2008  6:05 PM
Over the last twenty years alot of teams have tried to duplicate the Lakers. However the Lakers also played good defense.
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5/12/2008  6:08 PM
McCallum from SI thinks it's a coup for the Knicks.

[Edited by - PhilinLA on 12-05-2008 6:30 PM]
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5/12/2008  6:09 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by CrushAlot:

We know D'Antoni's style doesn't win championships. We know that he has a thin skin. We know that he doesn't have long practices. We know that he doesn't coach or demand that his players play defense. We know that he was successful when he had Steve Nash and was not successful for the two years he coached without him. We know what happened when Don Nelson coached here. We know the Garden philosophy of finding the big name that doesn't fit. We know that he is getting a roster that was put together without thought for a system of any kind. So I ask my question again, Do you know of any analyst/reporter other than Mark Berman who thinks this was a good move?

Magic Johnson and the 80's had that exact style and won a LOT.

This isn't the 80's and we don't have Magic Johnson. Furthermore when the 80's Lakers needed a stop, THEY GOT IT! Pat Riley understands the importance of defense.

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5/12/2008  6:33 PM
On the defense thing, how come some people still fail to acknowledges that his teams were not as bad when you adjust for pace? They were a team that played last year's champions very close until the infamous suspensions. It's not like they get swept out of the playoffs every year by an 8th seed.

Phoenix has been high up there in the title hunt the last few seasons. Titles are not easy to come by. Only the Lakers, Pistons, Heat and Spurs have won in the last decade plus. I mean, some skepticism is fine especially in light of the last few Knicks seasons. But at the same time, can't we be a little open minded?

This summer we have acquired some of the better basketball minds that were available to help run this franchise. These are guys that have been involved with winning organizations. These are guys that have been involved in turning things around rather quickly.

People like to use Nash as some type of knock against D'Antoni: "He woulda been nothin' without 2-time MVP Nash" they say. When you look at the perceptions of Nash before he became the two-time MVP, you'd see that he was considered over the hill and inferior to Marbury. Well, after D'Antoni got a hold of him, things changed dramatically.
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5/12/2008  6:58 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by CrushAlot:

We know D'Antoni's style doesn't win championships. We know that he has a thin skin. We know that he doesn't have long practices. We know that he doesn't coach or demand that his players play defense. We know that he was successful when he had Steve Nash and was not successful for the two years he coached without him. We know what happened when Don Nelson coached here. We know the Garden philosophy of finding the big name that doesn't fit. We know that he is getting a roster that was put together without thought for a system of any kind. So I ask my question again, Do you know of any analyst/reporter other than Mark Berman who thinks this was a good move?

Magic Johnson and the 80's had that exact style and won a LOT.

The championship Lakers did not play "shoot in 7 seconds or less" ball. They also emphasized defense much more than D'Antoni ever has. They ran when it was available and they were a very good rebounding team.

They also played as good as anybody in the half-court with Kareem automatic with the sky hook and Johnson able to post any defensive players from 1-5.

Not to mention they had Worthy, Scott, Green, Rambis, Nixon, Wilkes, Lucas, Cooper, and more.

My point is, they did not play the same style, and it really wasn't the style that made that team good. It was the fact that they were packed with all-time, HOF, and all-star type talent for years.

A better comparison would be Nuggets teams of the last 25 years. Entertaining, sometimes pretty good, but overall not that successful when it really counted.

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5/12/2008  7:04 PM
Why were most people so willing to accept Isiah Thomas, who had a track record of being a terrible business person in executive positions, and an equally bad track record of repeated underachievement and first-round exits as a coach, but now few people seem willing to give Walsh and D'Antoni, two guys with a rep for winning everywhere they have been, a chance?
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5/12/2008  7:18 PM
i gave Isiah a shot to prove himself, if nothing else D'Antoni deserves the same chance... he's got a much better track record of coaching winning teams than Isiah, that's for sure.
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5/12/2008  7:40 PM
Posted by TMS:

i gave Isiah a shot to prove himself, if nothing else D'Antoni deserves the same chance... he's got a much better track record of coaching winning teams than Isiah, that's for sure.

So did LB and even more so. Maybe I might borrow your reasoning at some point.
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5/12/2008  7:41 PM
who cares? Everyone thought Marbury was a good trade.

Was there a better coach available?
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5/12/2008  7:59 PM
Posted by eViL:

Why were most people so willing to accept Isiah Thomas, who had a track record of being a terrible business person in executive positions, and an equally bad track record of repeated underachievement and first-round exits as a coach, but now few people seem willing to give Walsh and D'Antoni, two guys with a rep for winning everywhere they have been, a chance?

Because Isiah is the Cap'n.
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5/12/2008  9:02 PM
I think Isiah was given a shot because Layden was so bad. Remember the Knicks coach was Don Chaney and Layden was the GM. The team was made up of over achieving high character guys with horrible contracts. Isiah was blessed to follow Layden. D'Antoni in a sense is blessed to follow Thomas because he can't do worse. However, he has flaws. He doesn't coach defense, has short practices, has a thin skin, is a charismatic players coach who is being asked to deal with a bunch of knuckleheads, and he doesn't have any future hall of famers to run his system. In general most Knick fans are pretty knowledgeable and have been forced to be big picture thinkers and to really analyze moves made beyond the big name and look at how it will impact the team. This move is not a good fit. D'Antoni is a good coach in the right situation but this is not it. It also appears to be another Dolan decision and that alone makes it easy to reject and criticize.
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5/12/2008  9:16 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I can care less what the media writers think about this. We have no clue how things will turn out until the roster is rebuilt. No coach can coach what we have right now.

Really, the thread could have been closed with this. Nothing more needs to be said and nothing is more accurate.
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Other than Berman, is there any national or local reporter who thinks this is a good hire?

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