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5/10/2008  1:31 PM
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D'Antoni A Knick
Email|Link|Comments (0) Posted by Marc J. Spears, Globe Staff May 10, 2008 01:24 PM

An NBA source close to the situation told The Boston Globe today that Phoenix Suns coach Mike D'Antoni has accepted the New York Knicks head coaching job.

Despite having two years and $8.5 million on his deal with the Suns, D'Antoni was given permission by the team to interview for openings with the Knicks and the Chicago Bulls.

D'Antoni has a career record of 267-172 after coaching Phoenix for four seasons and Denver in one.
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5/10/2008  1:39 PM
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5/10/2008  1:40 PM
Dolan should have just rehired Layden. This is ridiculous.
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5/10/2008  1:43 PM
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5/10/2008  1:44 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

Dolan should have just rehired Layden. This is ridiculous.

It really is sad how we go about doing business. The funny thing is once again we help Phx out. D'Antoni leaves $8.8mil on the table, they can hire a dead corpse for pennies on the dollar to coach their team and still remain in contention, although they may slide just a little.
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5/10/2008  1:44 PM
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5/10/2008  1:46 PM
I don't really understand the big deal. Is the main objection to D'Antoni that we won't play defense? So, hire a defensive coordinator to assist like in Boston. Maybe you can lure Thibodeau away after the season even.

I mean, look at the guy's winning %.

But I guess it gives another opportunity for people to bicker back and forth.
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5/10/2008  1:47 PM
Posted by efw:

I don't really understand the big deal. Is the main objection to D'Antoni that we won't play defense? So, hire a defensive coordinator to assist like in Boston. Maybe you can lure Thibodeau away after the season even.

I mean, look at the guy's winning %.

But I guess it gives another opportunity for people to bicker back and forth.

I agree 100%
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5/10/2008  1:50 PM
Posted by efw:

I don't really understand the big deal. Is the main objection to D'Antoni that we won't play defense? So, hire a defensive coordinator to assist like in Boston. Maybe you can lure Thibodeau away after the season even.

I mean, look at the guy's winning %.

But I guess it gives another opportunity for people to bicker back and forth.

This called fear of success.
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Such negativity!! And I have been part of it when it concerns Isiah, Marbury etc. But this guy at least has a winning record. His idea of how to run a team does not mesh with mine, but I am more than happy to see him coach here. All I want is that we have the ability to fire him if he doesn't produce a certain amount of progress and that's worked into the contract. The guys has 267 Ws, that's 267 more than Mark Jackson at the highest level of the game. Can we give him a chance at least?
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5/10/2008  1:52 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by CrushAlot:

Dolan should have just rehired Layden. This is ridiculous.

It really is sad how we go about doing business. The funny thing is once again we help Phx out. D'Antoni leaves $8.8mil on the table, they can hire a dead corpse for pennies on the dollar to coach their team and still remain in contention, although they may slide just a little.


Might slide a little?! They are going dooowwn. I wouldn't be surprised if Sarver purges the dead weight this summer and looks towards starting over.
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5/10/2008  1:52 PM
Posted by efw:

I don't really understand the big deal. Is the main objection to D'Antoni that we won't play defense? So, hire a defensive coordinator to assist like in Boston. Maybe you can lure Thibodeau away after the season even.

I mean, look at the guy's winning %.

But I guess it gives another opportunity for people to bicker back and forth.


How is this move any different from some of the ones we've made in the past? I guess we're playing a game of numbers in that at some point our fortunes have to turn out favorably. This hire is prototypical.
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5/10/2008  1:52 PM
Posted by loweyecue:

Such negativity!! And I have been part of it when it concerns Isiah, Marbury etc. But this guy at least has a winning record. His idea of how to run a team does not mesh with mine, but I am more than happy to see him coach here. All I want is that we have the ability to fire him if he doesn't produce a certain amount of progress and that's worked into the contract. The guys has 267 Ws, that's 267 more than Mark Jackson at the highest level of the game. Can we give him a chance at least?


Well said.
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5/10/2008  1:53 PM
Posted by loweyecue:

Such negativity!! And I have been part of it when it concerns Isiah, Marbury etc. But this guy at least has a winning record. His idea of how to run a team does not mesh with mine, but I am more than happy to see him coach here. All I want is that we have the ability to fire him if he doesn't produce a certain amount of progress and that's worked into the contract. The guys has 267 Ws, that's 267 more than Mark Jackson at the highest level of the game. Can we give him a chance at least?

LB was a winner coach, so was Lenny... and....?
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5/10/2008  1:54 PM
I have not had a chance chime on D'Antoni yet, but a couple of thoughts about him and the defense criticism

1) The Suns ranked 4th in the NBA in pace last year. What that means is that, on offense and defense, the Suns had the 4th most possessions in the league last year. When you regularly play at that heavy a pace, you're going to see more points scored on both ends than the rest of the league.

2) Even with the faster pace, the Suns ranked no.1 in the NBA in offensive efficiency, or points scored per 100 possessions. So they were the best team in the NBA in terms of scoring efficiency, not just one of the best teams in terms of volume scoring. By contrast, other fast paced scoring teams like Denver and Golden State averaged 3-4 pts below Phoenix in this mark.

3) The Suns ranked 16th in the league in defensive efficiency. So they were 16th in terms of points allowed per 100 possessions. By contrast the Knicks were 29th and gave up 5 more pts per 100. So the Suns were a full tier above the Knicks in defense. And further, the Suns ranked 9th in league in effective FG% allowed (effective FG=(FGM+3PM/2)/FGA)). The cause for the disparity was that the Suns were one of the bottom 5 teams in creating turnovers (ranked closely with the Knicks).

But I think my conclusion is that you can't say this was a coach or a team that was de-emphasizing defense if they could rank top 10 in eFG allowed. It was a team that wasn't great on defense- but considering some of the individual defenders in their lineup like Nash, Amare (a much improved defensive player in recent seasons, though not a stalwart) and Shaq (too slow) you're not gonna be outstanding. Nash in particular cannot defend quick PG's (as demonstrated again in the playoffs), but he makes such a big difference on the offensive end that you can't really play him less minutes for defense.

4) Mike D'Antoni is one of the select few coaches in the NBA that has really demonstrated a vision. He created a system, had the players to fit it, and was very successful because they were playing a way that nobody in the NBA was playing at the time. The ability to see the big picture and go against the grain is something that is extremely valuable in a coach.

That he'll coach the Knicks the same way that he coached the Suns is not a given. But if he does choose to, I am extremely confident that the Walsh and D'Antoni will find the players who can run this system effectively. The Knicks do have several players on the roster that can thrive in an uptempo game (the ones we like), and several players who cannot (namely Zach, Curry, Marbury or the ones we don't).

If the Knicks were to play a faster pace, they'd be on of a handful of teams in the Eastern Conference to do so, and going against the grain could give them the advantage they need to be a playoff team in this conference. Will it ultimately win them the championship? It might be harder to thrive like that in the West where the playoff teams are a deeper and you have to face a team like the Spurs in the first round. A team that could legitimately play up tempo in the East I would suspect would go a lot farther.
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5/10/2008  1:55 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by efw:

I don't really understand the big deal. Is the main objection to D'Antoni that we won't play defense? So, hire a defensive coordinator to assist like in Boston. Maybe you can lure Thibodeau away after the season even.

I mean, look at the guy's winning %.

But I guess it gives another opportunity for people to bicker back and forth.


How is this move any different from some of the ones we've made in the past? I guess we're playing a game of numbers in that at some point our fortunes have to turn out favorably. This hire is prototypical.

This is so different then before. Reason being there is no Isiah that in itself was a damn hurdle a GM that constantly meddled in the buismness of the coach. Larry Brown deserved a better chance. D'Antponi is going to have input with the team and Donnie is more respectful than Isiah could ever be.
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5/10/2008  1:55 PM
I have not been able to find any other media outlets reporting this. I am hoping it is a mistake.
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5/10/2008  1:57 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by efw:

I don't really understand the big deal. Is the main objection to D'Antoni that we won't play defense? So, hire a defensive coordinator to assist like in Boston. Maybe you can lure Thibodeau away after the season even.

I mean, look at the guy's winning %.

But I guess it gives another opportunity for people to bicker back and forth.


How is this move any different from some of the ones we've made in the past? I guess we're playing a game of numbers in that at some point our fortunes have to turn out favorably. This hire is prototypical.

This is so different then before. Reason being there is no Isiah that in itself was a damn hurdle a GM that constantly meddled in the buismness of the coach. Larry Brown deserved a better chance. D'Antponi is going to have input with the team and Donnie is more respectful than Isiah could ever be.


I SAY UGH is currently employed by the Knicks and is a consultant of Dolan. It's a Dolan hire just as much as it would have been an I SAY UGH hire if here were allowed to be GM instead of coach.

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5/10/2008  1:58 PM
Everyone here must know more about Basketball, picking good basketball coaches and running an organization better than Donnie Walsch right? Give me a break
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5/10/2008  1:59 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:


How is this move any different from some of the ones we've made in the past? I guess we're playing a game of numbers in that at some point our fortunes have to turn out favorably. This hire is prototypical.

Easy, we have a tried-and-true GM makin decisions with an almost unlimited bankroll, and now we have a coach with a definitive, tried-and-true style (not to mention an awesome winning %). Those two examples alone are things we haven't seen from the knicks since before Layden. This doesn't seem like a Dolan hire at all.

Why is hard to think that Walsh sees one of the best coaches on the market available, thinks his style could work with a bunch of our players (maybe make one or two trades in the offseason to compliment the style), be entertaining for two years, and simultaneously be cognizant of our cap situation for the 2010 season. Has he done anything to make us think differently about that?
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