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BigSm00th
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5/7/2008  11:49 PM
from ESPN, http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3386183
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5/7/2008  11:56 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

from ESPN, http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3386183

This organization will never learn and this has Dolan written all over it. D'Antoni is accomplishing his mission and that was to drive his price up and it appears we've fallen for it.
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5/7/2008  11:58 PM
Walsh is trying to make the playoffs at all cost next yr if he hires D'Antoni.
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5/7/2008  11:59 PM
true enough true blue. i do think, however, that if they offer d'antoni a big enough amount he'll wait until the lottery to see if the knicks can get rose to run his offense. wouldn't be surprised if he took less and went to the bulls anyway, keep in mind this is a guy who on april fool's day told barbosa he got traded to the knicks and barbosa started crying. he obviously doesn't hold us in high regard.

trueblue, how will this organization never learn? why not offer d'antoni a lot of $$$ he's definitely the best coach on the market and literally the only asset the knicks have is dolan's deep pockets.
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5/8/2008  12:02 AM
Terrible.

Plain and simple, if Walsh hires D'Antoni, he is an idiot. That's the only coach where I care if he coaches this team or not. You can hire anyone else, including Mark Jackson, over this guy. Why the hell do we want this guy? He preaches no defense! Avery Johnson is right there! I still think we're getting Mark Jackson but if not him I hope it is definitely not D'Antoni.
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5/8/2008  12:05 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

true enough true blue. i do think, however, that if they offer d'antoni a big enough amount he'll wait until the lottery to see if the knicks can get rose to run his offense. wouldn't be surprised if he took less and went to the bulls anyway, keep in mind this is a guy who on april fool's day told barbosa he got traded to the knicks and barbosa started crying. he obviously doesn't hold us in high regard.

trueblue, how will this organization never learn? why not offer d'antoni a lot of $$$ he's definitely the best coach on the market and literally the only asset the knicks have is dolan's deep pockets.

Because it's a matter of establishing the most beneficial vision. We're still operating with the teenager mentality... instant gratification, swing for the fences type of thinking. We're a team in transition and of course first move, we may go All-In IMO with shortsightedness. We shouldn't throw the farm financially at D'Antoni just because he's available.
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5/8/2008  12:09 AM
I thought Mark Jackson was the frontrunner? In any case, I don't how much a coach makes. As misterearl would say, "it's not our money" and since it doesn't effect the salary cap who cares.

as for hiring D'antoni over Jackson, I think it's a bad idea. But not because D'antoni doesn't preach defense, but rather due to Mike being a horrible fit for our current roster, which isn't flexible enough to drastically changed anytime soon. I wouldn't mind him being hired otherwise though. As for the whole his style of ball doesn't win Championships thing.... eh.. I'd still take my chances with him. I don't think it would be impossible with a few adjustments. And at least then the team would have an identity.
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5/8/2008  12:10 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

true enough true blue. i do think, however, that if they offer d'antoni a big enough amount he'll wait until the lottery to see if the knicks can get rose to run his offense. wouldn't be surprised if he took less and went to the bulls anyway, keep in mind this is a guy who on april fool's day told barbosa he got traded to the knicks and barbosa started crying. he obviously doesn't hold us in high regard.

I think that was Steve Kerr not D'antoni. Also, no one holds the Knicks in high regard, and rightly so.
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5/8/2008  12:10 AM
I personally am not a D'Antoni guy, I feel his style is not conducive to winning in the playoffs, the time of the year that matters most. I would hope as a Knicks fan that D'Antoni is willing to tweak his style a smidge, so it has more defense. To be honest though, by the time the Celtics run is over 2-3 years from now, the Knicks could have a solid run and gun team that could win in the East. If the Suns were in the East the past 4 years they probably would have made it to finals atleast twice. The fact remains though, I am not a fan of D'Antoni.

I trust Donnie Walsh and I feel like he is NOT towing the company line and he's doing things his way, so if he feels this is a good hire, then I'll be on board... although on the surface, I don't like it.
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5/8/2008  12:21 AM
I don't trust anybody until they show me they can be trusted. I trusted the previous GM's when they first came and look where that got us. Keeping Isiah wasn't the best start but nobody will care if he makes the right moves. D'Antoni is not the right move. Not now, not ever.
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5/8/2008  12:21 AM
Tom Mcdonald on sports on NY1 is going nuts about this. A couple callers called in saying the same thing you guys are saying.

I dunno man......this does sound like the same old thing.....if d'antoni becomes the Knicks head coach, what does that mean? Knicks need roster moves.....what direction would the Knicks be headed?
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5/8/2008  12:37 AM
This move has Isiah and Dolan written all over it. Of course that's understandable since Walsh is Dolan's new front man and Isiah is his <cough> trusted consultant.

Overspending to get someone who doesn't fit here, when he'd rather go someplace else but can't say no to the money, is the same crap that's been going on here since Isiah got here. Not coincidentally, Isiah's grand plan was to make the Knicks the Phoenix Suns of the East. If Isiah had his wish, D'Antoni would be his choice as head coach. Isiah's continued presence couldn't be felt any stronger.

D'Antoni's system works if you have a Steve Nash at the point running things and athletic freaks like Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire to run with. It's not easy getting those kinds of players. Even then, when it comes to the playoffs and things slow down to half court, D'Antoni's style doesn't win because they don't execute well in the half court.

I want to win championships, not be entertaining enough to sell tickets and lose in the 2nd rd every year. But then again, that's what Dolan wants and Walsh is his puppet. Like I said, this move has Isiah and Dolan written all over it.
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5/8/2008  12:39 AM
for what it's worth, at least d'antoni hates marbury. he won't come - d'antoni got what he wanted from us: a bigger offer than chicago offered. he'll just use us to get more money from chicago.

there's no way he's coming here. if he does, i'll admit it's a horrible sign. we're the patsies again.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 08-05-2008 12:40 AM]
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5/8/2008  12:43 AM
Posted by islesfan:

This move has Isiah and Dolan written all over it. Of course that's understandable since Walsh is Dolan's new front man and Isiah is his <cough> trusted consultant.

Overspending to get someone who doesn't fit here, when he'd rather go someplace else but can't say no to the money, is the same crap that's been going on here since Isiah got here. Not coincidentally, Isiah's grand plan was to make the Knicks the Phoenix Suns of the East. If Isiah had his wish, D'Antoni would be his choice as head coach. Isiah's continued presence couldn't be felt any stronger.

D'Antoni's system works if you have a Steve Nash at the point running things and athletic freaks like Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire to run with. It's not easy getting those kinds of players. Even then, when it comes to the playoffs and things slow down to half court, D'Antoni's style doesn't win because they don't execute well in the half court.

I want to win championships, not be entertaining enough to sell tickets and lose in the 2nd rd every year. But then again, that's what Dolan wants and Walsh is his puppet. Like I said, this move has Isiah and Dolan written all over it.


I beat you to it.

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5/8/2008  12:45 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

This move has Isiah and Dolan written all over it. Of course that's understandable since Walsh is Dolan's new front man and Isiah is his <cough> trusted consultant.

Overspending to get someone who doesn't fit here, when he'd rather go someplace else but can't say no to the money, is the same crap that's been going on here since Isiah got here. Not coincidentally, Isiah's grand plan was to make the Knicks the Phoenix Suns of the East. If Isiah had his wish, D'Antoni would be his choice as head coach. Isiah's continued presence couldn't be felt any stronger.

D'Antoni's system works if you have a Steve Nash at the point running things and athletic freaks like Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire to run with. It's not easy getting those kinds of players. Even then, when it comes to the playoffs and things slow down to half court, D'Antoni's style doesn't win because they don't execute well in the half court.

I want to win championships, not be entertaining enough to sell tickets and lose in the 2nd rd every year. But then again, that's what Dolan wants and Walsh is his puppet. Like I said, this move has Isiah and Dolan written all over it.


I beat you to it.

No you didn't. I just needed some time to get over my anger so that I could focus and type.
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5/8/2008  12:47 AM
i didn't know what to think as to whether isiah still had a role in the organization or not. i was waiting for a sign before making up my mind.

...and this is not a good sign.
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5/8/2008  12:47 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

for what it's worth, at least d'antoni hates marbury. he won't come - d'antoni got what he wanted from us: a bigger offer than chicago offered. he'll just use us to get more money from chicago.

there's no way he's coming here. if he does, i'll admit it's a horrible sign. we're the patsies again.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 08-05-2008 12:40 AM]

Marbury is a non-entity at this point. There's no chance he's here after next year regardless of who is the next coach.

Chicago isn't going to match the offer. They'll offer him what they think is fair and dare him to take the Knicks offer.

If D'Antoni comes here it'll be for the money and nothing else.
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5/8/2008  1:00 AM
I got a feeling I'm going to have to stay away from here for awhile if D'Antoni is hired. I'm willing to give things a chance with Walsh and D'Antoni, but the negativity is going to be relentless, haha.
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5/8/2008  1:02 AM
I don't know if this is true and certianly I would not *get it* unless they want Dantoni to try to help create what Phoenix had over the next few years. But he was not responsible for creating the team--colangelo was.
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5/8/2008  1:05 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I don't know if this is true and certianly I would not *get it* unless they want Dantoni to try to help create what Phoenix had over the next few years. But he was not responsible for creating the team--colangelo was.

I guess one would assume that D'Antoni knows what kind of players he needs to have run his system and my guess is that Walsh would be sticking to that plan and looking for those players. Yes it would take a few years to get those guys, but this roster has to be gutted anyway.
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