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4/22/2008  4:53 AM
Isiah Thomas is not fired, just banned

BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Monday, April 21st 2008, 8:15 PM
Isiah Thomas must stay away from the Knicks' facilities. Spearman/AP

Isiah Thomas must stay away from the Knicks' facilities.

When, not if, Mark Jackson arrives in New York, he won't have to worry about Isiah Thomas meddling with the players or making any surprise visits to the Knicks' training headquarters in Westchester.

According to a team source, Thomas has been barred from having any contact with the team as part of his reassignment agreement with Knicks president Donnie Walsh. Such an agreement is critical for a new coach as he tries to reestablish a winning culture at Madison Square Garden and distance himself from the Thomas regime.


Thomas is responsible for acquiring every player on the current roster and the fear is that if he were allowed to have any contact, including telephone calls, he could either willingly or unwillingly undermine the incoming coach.

That agreement, however, does not prohibit Thomas from speaking to Garden chairman James Dolan, who was been a staunch supporter of Thomas despite four straight losing seasons.

Walsh, who removed Thomas as coach last week, apparently is comfortable with the arrangement and more concerned now with finding Thomas' successor. Jackson is not only the leading candidate, but he appears to be the only candidate to become the Knicks' next head coach.

Walsh is expected to meet with Jackson this week and there is a possibility a deal could be in place sometime within the next seven to 10 days. A Chicago Bulls source confirmed that the team has contacted Jackson about its coaching vacancy. It is unclear if Jackson, unavailable for comment yesterday, will interview with the Bulls.

Jackson's lone competition, Scott Skiles, signed on with the Bucks yesterday. It appears that Jeff Van Gundy, who has endorsed Jackson, never was a serious candidate.

One report, citing an unnamed source who was with Walsh during Friday's conference call in which Walsh officially removed Thomas as coach, suggested that the new team president mocked a reporter's question as to whether Van Gundy would be a candidate. According to the source, Walsh made a gesture with a fake pen and pretended to write Van Gundy's name as if he were adding the former Knick coach to a make-believe list.

If the source is suggesting that Walsh was never going to consider Van Gundy for the job, it makes Walsh look bad on many levels. Why would Walsh ridicule the third- winningest coach in franchise history, who also happens to be the people's choice for the job, and yet go out of his way to publicly praise Thomas, who was arguably the worst coach in team history and despised by fans?

Also, if Walsh was just paying lip service to the suggestion that Van Gundy is a candidate, was he also not being forthcoming when he said that Dolan "absolutely had no input" with the decision to reassign Thomas?

Either way, Walsh learned a lesson about trusting this organization as he tries to familiarize himself with employees. Walsh seems sincere about wanting to revamp the club's notorious media policy, yet less than a month into the job he already has been embarrassed twice by his own staff.

Ten days ago, his interview with reporters was documented by a media relations official without Walsh's knowledge. This week, a private moment was leaked as a way to humiliate Van Gundy, but it instead made Walsh look petty and vindictive.

Moreover, Van Gundy has been effusive in his praise of Walsh and even eliminated a potentially awkward situation by essentially saying on Saturday that he had no interest in returning to coaching and that Jackson was the right - and only - man for the Knicks' job.

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4/22/2008  6:25 AM
Ok so lets squash the Isiah talk. Fat Italian guy has sung.
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4/22/2008  7:14 AM
Only a completely dysfunctional team would keep a guy around but give him no role--just because they didn't want to fire him.
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4/22/2008  8:27 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Only a completely dysfunctional team would keep a guy around but give him no role--just because they didn't want to fire him.

Yeah, the way Isola wrote this piece suggests that Dolan had plenty of input in reassigning Thomas, and Walsh met Dolan somewhere in the middle on how to deal with Thomas. The piece (again, the way its written not syaing its truthful) makes it seem as if Walsh may have wanted to fire Isiah but had to compromise with Dolan.

If this is true, this is definitely not a healthy way for Walsh and Dolan to begin a relationship. Then to add fuel to the fire, the whole media relations debacle also may suggest that Dolan hasn't given Walsh the thumbs-up to totally revamp the media relations department. Hopefully, I'm reading too much into this. Walsh has only been on the job for 3 weeks and has a lot on his plate (hiring a new coach, new GM, etc) and he hasn't gotten around to the 5th course (media relations) as of yet. I hope this is the case.



[Edited by - uptown on 04-22-2008 08:39 AM]
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4/22/2008  8:49 AM
If Thomas was fired they still owe him money so it would be a distraction.

Fuck it dudes.....he's not in control. Let it burn!
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4/22/2008  8:57 AM
I mentioned this a few weeks ago that it would be expected for Dolan to exibit some "spite work" against Isiah.

Demoralize him to consider a buyout.

He can have his money but is owned by Dolan, or can negotiate a STFU clause and walk with a good chunch of it.

Also it was expected that his removal would be a "process".

Im a bit suprised at the language and they are being so overt but it would appear (certainly in the forums in UK) that fans needed to know that Isiah's juice card has been rendered impident. He can swipe the card but the green light is not going off.

Knick fans rejoice. Dolan is going to embarass Isiah.
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4/22/2008  8:58 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

If Thomas was fired they still owe him money so it would be a distraction.

Fuck it dudes.....he's not in control. Let it burn!

They owe him the money either way. This doesn't address that. I don't think he'd be more of a distraction (actually probably much less of a distraction) if he were no long a part of the team in any way.
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4/22/2008  9:00 AM
Posted by Nalod:

I mentioned this a few weeks ago that it would be expected for Dolan to exibit some "spite work" against Isiah.

Demoralize him to consider a buyout.

He can have his money but is owned by Dolan, or can negotiate a STFU clause and walk with a good chunch of it.

Also it was expected that his removal would be a "process".

Im a bit suprised at the language and they are being so overt but it would appear (certainly in the forums in UK) that fans needed to know that Isiah's juice card has been rendered impident. He can swipe the card but the green light is not going off.

Knick fans rejoice. Dolan is going to embarass Isiah.
Two can play this game. Isiah can do a miserable job, maybe just show up one hour a day, daring Dolan to fire him.
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4/22/2008  9:22 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by EnySpree:

If Thomas was fired they still owe him money so it would be a distraction.

Fuck it dudes.....he's not in control. Let it burn!

They owe him the money either way. This doesn't address that. I don't think he'd be more of a distraction (actually probably much less of a distraction) if he were no long a part of the team in any way.

If you remember the Larry Brown situation, Dolan didn't want to pay Brown and Brown wanted all his money......Isiah is not gonna leave with half his dough. It would be the same situation.......except Isiah has some extra stuff going on with Dolan. It would be crazy. All year everyone asking questions about it. Not good.

Banning Isiah is fine. If he isn't allow to interfere with the goings on with the team.......its good enough for me.
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4/22/2008  9:24 AM
Donnie Walsh is Dolan's puppet. Isiah is being kept on because Dolan wants his buddy here. Dolan told Donnie to keep Isiah and Donnie said "Yes sir!".

If Walsh thinks Isiah would be that much of a distraction, where he would have to go to such a drastic step as ban him from having any contact with the players or coaches, then why keep him around at all? It's absolutely insane.

And the changing of the media policy, along with the culture of the team, is total bull****. Nothing has or will change. Dolan is still ruling with an iron fist and the organization is as paranoid as ever. Interviews are still being monitored, information is still being leaked and news is still being released with the sole intention of lessening the negative backlash (Walsh is introduced while Isiah and the beat writers are on a road trip while Isiah's reassignment is announced after 5pm on a Friday).
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4/22/2008  9:27 AM
Posted by Nalod:

I mentioned this a few weeks ago that it would be expected for Dolan to exibit some "spite work" against Isiah.

Demoralize him to consider a buyout.

He can have his money but is owned by Dolan, or can negotiate a STFU clause and walk with a good chunch of it.

Also it was expected that his removal would be a "process".

Im a bit suprised at the language and they are being so overt but it would appear (certainly in the forums in UK) that fans needed to know that Isiah's juice card has been rendered impident. He can swipe the card but the green light is not going off.

Knick fans rejoice. Dolan is going to embarass Isiah.

Lets hope this is the case. However it was just a few months ago after humiliating losses, Dolan was seen walking the halls of MSG yucking it up with Thomas. Dolan has shown that he can be spiteful (Brown, Anucha, etc) and embarrass former employees. The move to reassign Isiah, was it to embarass Isiah, or protect him? That is the question.
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4/22/2008  9:34 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Donnie Walsh is Dolan's puppet.
Dolan is his boss so Donnie has to do what the boss says. Thats true in all jobs.
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4/22/2008  9:38 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Donnie Walsh is Dolan's puppet. Isiah is being kept on because Dolan wants his buddy here. Dolan told Donnie to keep Isiah and Donnie said "Yes sir!".

If Walsh thinks Isiah would be that much of a distraction, where he would have to go to such a drastic step as ban him from having any contact with the players or coaches, then why keep him around at all? It's absolutely insane.

And the changing of the media policy, along with the culture of the team, is total bull****. Nothing has or will change. Dolan is still ruling with an iron fist and the organization is as paranoid as ever. Interviews are still being monitored, information is still being leaked and news is still being released with the sole intention of lessening the negative backlash (Walsh is introduced while Isiah and the beat writers are on a road trip while Isiah's reassignment is announced after 5pm on a Friday).

While I agree that this is not a clean start like everyone would've preferred, it's a bit unrealistic to think that Dolan would completely relinquish all control after spending so many years being the man in charge. I think this was the best we could hope for and I don't believe that it will effect how Walsh does his job to any great degree. As has been said many times, Isiah is a friend to both Dolan and Walsh. I think neither guy wanted to fire him outright, even if they know he deserved it.

On the Media policy issue, I think we need to give it some time. The guy hasn't been on the job long enough to effect that many changes yet. Guys like Isola want things to be totally open and that's fine, but let's give the man a chance to put things in order. I'm sure he hasn't had a chance to do much re-organizing or hiring yet.
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4/22/2008  9:56 AM
I agree with Nixluva on the media policy. I'm paranoid and am sensing Walsh has less power than is being led on. But I'm at least willing to give it more than a few months before I say nothing has changed. Talk to me in October, if the culture is the same than I will admit, we are still in trouble.
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4/22/2008  10:10 AM
Yeah, time will tell how this plays out. My guess is that Isaiah has a role on evaluating college players, which is what he's supposed to be good at, and he has no input on trades.
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4/22/2008  10:13 AM
Posted by nixluva:
I think this was the best we could hope for and I don't believe that it will effect how Walsh does his job to any great degree.
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4/22/2008  10:25 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by islesfan:

Donnie Walsh is Dolan's puppet. Isiah is being kept on because Dolan wants his buddy here. Dolan told Donnie to keep Isiah and Donnie said "Yes sir!".

If Walsh thinks Isiah would be that much of a distraction, where he would have to go to such a drastic step as ban him from having any contact with the players or coaches, then why keep him around at all? It's absolutely insane.

And the changing of the media policy, along with the culture of the team, is total bull****. Nothing has or will change. Dolan is still ruling with an iron fist and the organization is as paranoid as ever. Interviews are still being monitored, information is still being leaked and news is still being released with the sole intention of lessening the negative backlash (Walsh is introduced while Isiah and the beat writers are on a road trip while Isiah's reassignment is announced after 5pm on a Friday).

While I agree that this is not a clean start like everyone would've preferred, it's a bit unrealistic to think that Dolan would completely relinquish all control after spending so many years being the man in charge. I think this was the best we could hope for and I don't believe that it will effect how Walsh does his job to any great degree. As has been said many times, Isiah is a friend to both Dolan and Walsh. I think neither guy wanted to fire him outright, even if they know he deserved it.

On the Media policy issue, I think we need to give it some time. The guy hasn't been on the job long enough to effect that many changes yet. Guys like Isola want things to be totally open and that's fine, but let's give the man a chance to put things in order. I'm sure he hasn't had a chance to do much re-organizing or hiring yet.


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4/22/2008  10:46 AM
Donnie has been here all of two weeks?

Isiah banned is effective as it won't allow any of his influence nor distractions.

isiah has been exiled.

Lets be real, two weeks is not enough time to do everything, let alone evaluate what the hell is wrong, get a new GM, new coach, and draft a plan for the next three years and revamp a silly paranoid media policy.

What do we know? Isiah is no longer President or coach and has been banned from the property. If he wants his money, he has to stay away and keep his mouth shut.

No distraction, cuz he is gone. If 18mil is the price for this and dolan was stupid enough to extend him, then at least he is willing to pay to cage Isiah.

If they fired him outright with no restrictions and Isiah indictive then the distractions would be far greater.

They need to sign up season tix holders and making the "banishment" public was a good idea.

Im not jumping up and down with glee but two weeks is not that much time for Walsh to make changes.
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4/22/2008  10:47 AM
why dont they just fire him? i don't get the point of keeping the guy around at all
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4/22/2008  10:55 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

why dont they just fire him? i don't get the point of keeping the guy around at all
Why speculate on why they didn't fire him.
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