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something I DON'T like about Mark Jackson
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Elite
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4/20/2008  1:05 AM
If you notice when he talks, he sounds like a politician. Its very annoying as a broadcaster because everything he says sounds almost scripted.

Remind you of anyone?

I for one am sick of hearing our coaches spew politically correct bs sounding like thy r scared of media backlash or hurting fragile players feelings.

We need a straight shooter with a intense work ethic that demands the same from his players.

We need a coach that will fine eddy curry for coming to camp out of shape, and then let everyone know he has 1 month to get in shape or he won't play. See if he gets his ass in gear then.

Mark jackson seems not only passive, but just overly politically correct and when he speaks I swear sometimes I wonder if im listening to a robot.

Reminds me too much of isiah... not as sly... but definately not BLUNT and honest like a larry brown or jeff van gundy.

We need someone who don't give a **** about hurtin nobodys feelings
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4/20/2008  1:17 AM
I agree somewhat. But we just have to wait and see how Mark responds as a coach. Mark has no coaching cred with players right now so he cannot go on the air or give interviews and bash players. He has to be politically correct if he wants to get his first coaching job. JVG has won before and players know this, so he has more leeway to pick apart a players game while broadcasting.

But you also have to have some faith in Donnie Walsh. He's been around the game a long time and he knows Mark Jackson well. And besides, it's not like once you hire someone you cannot fire them. Look at all the different coaches that have come and gone in Indy since Walsh first got there. The bottom line is you still need great players to at least get you to a certain point. If at that point you need to make a change to get over the hump, then you do so.
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4/20/2008  1:45 AM
Your right but I just feel like it will be don chaney all over again.

We need a drastic change in culture, how do you establish that?

You have to have someone who demands respect and sets up a stern highly disciplined system. That has to be a vet who takes no ****.... IF NOT.... u have to get a new guy who is truely inspiring. A OBAMA coach lol... Avery Johnson was a good example.. He was FIREY.. Inspiring.. A workaholic... I just don't see that in Mark.

I think Walsh is refreshing in his approach but I much prefer hearing him speak unscripted he sounds very honest and I like that. I need to really hear him explain more about the isiah situation in a lengthy interview cuz that diddnt sit right with me.

I think when selecting a coach you have to look at the type of team you have and match the coach appropriately. I think mark could be good somewhere but not here... unless he is just a placeholder since they know we will suck the next few years anyways maybe give the guy a shot since it don't matter... long term tank maybe?

Main thing to me is CHANGE THE CULTURE. Id go for tom thibidau or jeff van gundy because they are WORK A HOLICS... that's what we need cuz that's what we lack
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4/20/2008  2:20 AM
Posted by Elite:

Your right but I just feel like it will be don chaney all over again.

We need a drastic change in culture, how do you establish that?

You have to have someone who demands respect and sets up a stern highly disciplined system. That has to be a vet who takes no ****.... IF NOT.... u have to get a new guy who is truely inspiring. A OBAMA coach lol... Avery Johnson was a good example.. He was FIREY.. Inspiring.. A workaholic... I just don't see that in Mark.

I think Walsh is refreshing in his approach but I much prefer hearing him speak unscripted he sounds very honest and I like that. I need to really hear him explain more about the isiah situation in a lengthy interview cuz that diddnt sit right with me.

I think when selecting a coach you have to look at the type of team you have and match the coach appropriately. I think mark could be good somewhere but not here... unless he is just a placeholder since they know we will suck the next few years anyways maybe give the guy a shot since it don't matter... long term tank maybe?

Main thing to me is CHANGE THE CULTURE. Id go for tom thibidau or jeff van gundy because they are WORK A HOLICS... that's what we need cuz that's what we lack

I understand where you're coming from, but you have to realize the next two seasons there will be and should be a tremendous amount of turnover on the roster. This is the perfect time for Walsh to see if Mark Jackson can be that next really good coach. Maybe he will turn out to be Byron Scott or Nate McMillan, maybe he won't. If Mark Jackson proves to be more Don Chaney, then we get rid of him before 2010. I mean, it's not like a great coach cannot come in and immediately do very well. Phil Jax and Larry Brown both won championships in their first seasons with the Lakers and Pistons.

The bottom line is the roster, not who the coach is. No coach can turn these losers into a championship contender and thats what you have to realize. Concern yourself with the roster, the draft, and how Walsh goes about getting rid of Zach and Curry. Thats it. Coach doesn't matter because we're not building it back up for at least 2-3 more years.

In fact, I cannot believe anybody would even care right now who the coach is, just as long as it's not Isiah. This is all about the roster, not the coach. It's been the same issue with the Knicks since Scott Layden took the job. All about the roster.
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4/20/2008  9:50 AM
I think Walsh knows this and will be looking for the same in interviews. Based on what I've heard him say I don't think he will be looking for a passive coach. Only time will tell of course
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4/20/2008  10:08 AM
Elite - don't you think this is a matter best described by the people who have actually talked to Mark Jackson?

What you are exposed to on television, compared with how Mark Jackson (or anyone sle for that matter) conducts himself in the locker room are two entirely differnt things.

Lenny Wilkens was always described as mild-mannered because of his Smokey Robinson good looks and calm exterior, but he was a bitch to work under in practice.


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4/20/2008  10:10 AM
Footnote: Broadcasters ARE scripted
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4/20/2008  10:14 AM
Stereotypes

>>Main thing to me is CHANGE THE CULTURE. Id go for tom thibidau or jeff van gundy because they are WORK A HOLICS... that's what we need cuz that's what we lack

and Mark Jackson does not work?

Like John Stockton, the only person who has more assists than Mark Jackson, does not work?

where are these arbitrary comparisons based on?

Truth or perception?

Van Gundy watched a lot of film. Big deal. He also quit. I don't want a quitter.

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4/20/2008  10:16 AM
what majorleads said

It's about the roster.

Let my people run!
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4/20/2008  10:17 AM
Posted by misterearl:


Lenny Wilkens was always described as mild-mannered because of his Smokey Robinson good looks and calm exterior, but he was a bitch to work under in practice.


I thought Oakley took Lenny to task for his soft practices in Toronto.
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4/20/2008  10:20 AM
Change The Culture?

"Main thing to me is CHANGE THE CULTURE. I'd go for tom thibidau or jeff van gundy because...

Maybe its just me, but aside from the glowiing second-hand reports, why does Tom Thibideaux look like he's just eaten too much pizza?

The dude always looks like he's got indigestion with a distant far-away look in his eyes. I don't want a coach who looks like he's had one beer too many.
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4/20/2008  10:22 AM
Purple Rain

Blueseats - Oak would take his own momma to task if a reporter put a microphone in his face. You really puttin' that mch stock in the words of a dude who wore purple suits?

sheesh

Just for the record, Lenny is in the NBA Hall of freakin' Fame.
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4/20/2008  10:23 AM
soft practices?

we talkin' bout practice?
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4/20/2008  10:23 AM
not the game

we talkin' bout practice.
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4/20/2008  10:24 AM
(exasperated) we talkin' bout practice
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4/20/2008  10:47 AM
When did Mark Jackson ever report to camp in shape?
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4/20/2008  10:51 AM
Panos - you're kidding, right?

Mark Jackson shoulda never left New York

I miss Rod Strickland
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4/20/2008  10:54 AM
Besides, Don Nelson never had a decent physique. By mid-season, his body still was softer than the Sta-Puft Marshmellow... but he managed to win plenty of games as a player and a few more as a head coach.
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4/20/2008  11:12 AM
Posted by Elite:

Your right but I just feel like it will be don chaney all over again.

We need a drastic change in culture, how do you establish that?

You have to have someone who demands respect and sets up a stern highly disciplined system. That has to be a vet who takes no ****.... IF NOT.... u have to get a new guy who is truely inspiring. A OBAMA coach lol... Avery Johnson was a good example.. He was FIREY.. Inspiring.. A workaholic... I just don't see that in Mark.

I think Walsh is refreshing in his approach but I much prefer hearing him speak unscripted he sounds very honest and I like that. I need to really hear him explain more about the isiah situation in a lengthy interview cuz that diddnt sit right with me.

I think when selecting a coach you have to look at the type of team you have and match the coach appropriately. I think mark could be good somewhere but not here... unless he is just a placeholder since they know we will suck the next few years anyways maybe give the guy a shot since it don't matter... long term tank maybe?

Main thing to me is CHANGE THE CULTURE. Id go for tom thibidau or jeff van gundy because they are WORK A HOLICS... that's what we need cuz that's what we lack


You must consider that this team will not stay intact as is....so there is no way you can match a coach with a team in transition. With that said, Mark can grow with the team as we assemble the right pieces and allow other odd pieces (Marb, Rose, James, etc), to get lost, and expire.

Ajax and a toothbrush definitley need to be put to the scum infested walls of MSG, and a caoch who is going to kick some A## needs to be employed so we can shake free of the Laissez-faire (or lazy fair) cloud that Isiah has had hovering over this non-practicing, orgainization since he took over. Its hard to tell if Mark is the guy if you judge him from his on-air personalilty because he is supposed to be poilitically correct because he doesn't want to alienate any franchises he may ask for employment from. I dont see anything wrong with giving Mark a shot while we get this mess together.


[Edited by - Uptown on 04-20-2008 11:14 AM]
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4/20/2008  11:31 AM
Let's let the process...Run its course!

Ditto...
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