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4/18/2008  5:06 PM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04182008/sports/knicks/isiah_out_as_knicks_coach_107114.htm

ISIAH OUT AS KNICKS COACH
COULD BE MOVED WITHIN ORGANIZATION
By MARC BERMAN

April 18, 2008 --
The Knicks will finally make it official with Isiah Thomas during a 5 p.m. conference call tonight with Donnie Walsh.

Thomas will be out as head coach and will be reassigned to another position, according to a team source.

Mark Jackson has emerged as the top candidate to replace Thomas, who was 33-49 and 23-59 in two seasons as coach. Thomas lost his team presidency 2-½ weeks ago when Walsh was hired, but was adamant about remaining in the organization.

Jackson quit his job with the YES Network on Wednesday night, but told The Post it was unrelated to the Knicks' job.
Walsh indicated his interest in Jackson before Wednesday's season finale in Indianapolis, saying he knew he would always make a good coach. Walsh tried to interview Jackson for the Pacers last year, but Larry Bird was opposed.

Knicks players all seemed resigned that Thomas would not return to the bench next season.

"I feel bad, I take things personally, like maybe I could've done more," Jamal Crawford said. "I don't think he should get all the criticism because you can only do so much as coach. I feel bad. I take it personally."
The Thomas coaching era ended Wednesday night in Indiana, a fitting, high-scoring affair, a 132-123 loss to the Pacers.
That gave the Knicks the same stinking record - 23-59 - Larry Brown finished with two seasons ago. Thomas fell to 56-108 overall as coach.
Walsh also is zeroing in on a potential GM.

A source said Billy King, who lost out on the Bucks job, interviewed with Walsh earlier this week.
Another possibility is former Bucks GM Larry Harris, according to a team source.

Who knows what Walsh has in store for Thomas, who repeated he's up for anything. He could work with players or serve as a scout.
"I've always been in team sports," Thomas said. "I've never been a person that had to be the star or had to score all the points. I look at this as Donnie is a great acquisition coming to our team. Whatever role he assigns for us, if he needs me to rebound, pass, whatever we need to do to get things turned around and over in the right direction, his vision is one for us to execute."
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4/18/2008  5:09 PM
Isola will be on DNL to discuss his role.


Seriously Donnie Walsh dropped the ball with his first move. UNREAL!

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-18-2008 4:09 PM]
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4/18/2008  5:09 PM
pathetic.
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4/18/2008  5:12 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

pathetic.


1050espn has reported this also.
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4/18/2008  5:13 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by crzymdups:

pathetic.


1050espn has reported this also.

the pathetic part? i hope so.
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4/18/2008  5:18 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by crzymdups:

pathetic.


1050espn has reported this also.

the pathetic part? i hope so.



Let's forget basketball aside. The guy has proven himself to be unprofessional as an employee. What did he say to Walsh to give him any consolation to retain him in any capacity? No other employee such as I SAY UGH would be employed by the other 29NBA franchises. DW set the tone, nothing has changed and we'll continue being a doormat to the rest of the league.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-18-2008 4:21 PM]
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4/18/2008  5:19 PM
F^&k you Donnie Walsh! More of the same. Dolan ****s over and Sh%t's on all knicks fans. Again
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4/18/2008  5:30 PM
Is there room for discussion on this here? I know some are VERY upset (not even saying I'm not), and I'm not invalidating that feeling, but it also isn't necessarily fair to suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with that is is either Isiah 100% out or nothing is crazy or wrong.

Personally, this is what I expected from the get go, and think that it doesn't necessarily have to be as bad for the future of the team as folks are making it out to be. I'm quite sure there are those that will disagree, but some are making some grand leaps in assumptions here that we have ZERO insight into the goings on behind the scenes.

The reality is that Dolan is paying Isiah a lot of money. Is their relationship part of the deal? Sure could be, and wouldn't surprise me at all.

Simply because Walsh retains Isiah does not mean nothing will change. Did the term "cap flexibility" mean anything? What about all of the praise for other things we felt about Walsh before? Isiah is no longer the Coach, and Walsh is the President of Operations. Isiah may have a say in something for the team but he isn't the final decider.

To me, that's been the BIGGER problem and that he was coach.

I'm sure I'll be labeled and yelled at by folks, but sorry, I am not as stark raving mad as others.

Isiah is not in charge, and that's the bottom line for me.
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4/18/2008  5:35 PM
Posted by PresIke:

Is there room for discussion on this here? I know some are VERY upset (not even saying I'm not), and I'm not invalidating that feeling, but it also isn't necessarily fair to suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with that is is either Isiah 100% out or nothing is crazy or wrong.

Personally, this is what I expected from the get go, and think that it doesn't necessarily have to be as bad for the future of the team as folks are making it out to be. I'm quite sure there are those that will disagree, but some are making some grand leaps in assumptions here that we have ZERO insight into the goings on behind the scenes.

The reality is that Dolan is paying Isiah a lot of money. Is their relationship part of the deal? Sure could be, and wouldn't surprise me at all.

Simply because Walsh retains Isiah does not mean nothing will change. Did the term "cap flexibility" mean anything? What about all of the praise for other things we felt about Walsh before? Isiah is no longer the Coach, and Walsh is the President of Operations. Isiah may have a say in something for the team but he isn't the final decider.

To me, that's been the BIGGER problem and that he was coach.

I'm sure I'll be labeled and yelled at by folks, but sorry, I am not as stark raving mad as others.

Isiah is not in charge, and that's the bottom line for me.

Then what's the point in keeping him here?

If he's here, it means he still has Dolan's ear and is very much a part of the decision making process. Wasn't that the problem in the first place?
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4/18/2008  5:36 PM
Posted by PresIke:

Is there room for discussion on this here? I know some are VERY upset (not even saying I'm not), and I'm not invalidating that feeling, but it also isn't necessarily fair to suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with that is is either Isiah 100% out or nothing is crazy or wrong.

Personally, this is what I expected from the get go, and think that it doesn't necessarily have to be as bad for the future of the team as folks are making it out to be. I'm quite sure there are those that will disagree, but some are making some grand leaps in assumptions here that we have ZERO insight into the goings on behind the scenes.

The reality is that Dolan is paying Isiah a lot of money. Is their relationship part of the deal? Sure could be, and wouldn't surprise me at all.

Simply because Walsh retains Isiah does not mean nothing will change. Did the term "cap flexibility" mean anything? What about all of the praise for other things we felt about Walsh before? Isiah is no longer the Coach, and Walsh is the President of Operations. Isiah may have a say in something for the team but he isn't the final decider.

To me, that's been the BIGGER problem and that he was coach.

I'm sure I'll be labeled and yelled at by folks, but sorry, I am not as stark raving mad as others.

Isiah is not in charge, and that's the bottom line for me.



It's like defending the doctor who left a little bit of the malignant tumor behind in the cancer operation.
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4/18/2008  5:37 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by PresIke:

Is there room for discussion on this here? I know some are VERY upset (not even saying I'm not), and I'm not invalidating that feeling, but it also isn't necessarily fair to suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with that is is either Isiah 100% out or nothing is crazy or wrong.

Personally, this is what I expected from the get go, and think that it doesn't necessarily have to be as bad for the future of the team as folks are making it out to be. I'm quite sure there are those that will disagree, but some are making some grand leaps in assumptions here that we have ZERO insight into the goings on behind the scenes.

The reality is that Dolan is paying Isiah a lot of money. Is their relationship part of the deal? Sure could be, and wouldn't surprise me at all.

Simply because Walsh retains Isiah does not mean nothing will change. Did the term "cap flexibility" mean anything? What about all of the praise for other things we felt about Walsh before? Isiah is no longer the Coach, and Walsh is the President of Operations. Isiah may have a say in something for the team but he isn't the final decider.

To me, that's been the BIGGER problem and that he was coach.

I'm sure I'll be labeled and yelled at by folks, but sorry, I am not as stark raving mad as others.

Isiah is not in charge, and that's the bottom line for me.



It's like defending the doctor who left a little bit of the malignant tumor behind in the cancer operation.

And the scalpel.
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4/18/2008  5:37 PM
More BS from Walsh not in case he's trying to build up Steph's rep, which in all honesty is mute at this point. His contract is what it is. Any team who might be interested in Steph, it's exclusively related to his contract and nothing that he'll accomplish on the court next yr. Steph could come back 1000lbs, If a team wants his contract they'll trade for him regardless of his physical abilities and accomplishments. Walsh already sounds like a desperate GM trying to make a big splash right away, instead of being patient and not investing too much interest with this current roster. He's going to pull out all stops to make the playoffs next yr. We'll probably come up short, get a ****ty draft pick and start this thing all over again.
ISIAH'S ON WAY OUT, BUT STEPH MAY STAY
By MARC BERMAN

New York Knicks coach Isiah Thomas, (left) talks with player Stephon Marbury.

April 18, 2008 -- In his first meeting with new Knicks president Donnie Walsh, Stephon Marbury got no indication he's being shown the same exit door as Isiah Thomas, who will be removed officially as head coach in an announcement that could come today.

Yesterday, Walsh and Thomas were busy meeting with players separately in exit interviews at the team's Westchester facility. Thomas is expected to be retained in some capacity, of which specifics are still being discussed. Hence, the delay.

Walsh is looking for a new coach, a GM-type - he already has talked to former Sixers GM Billy King - and a director of college scouting. Thomas conceivably could be put in charge of college scouting, one of his strengths. Walsh said Thomas' good attributes have been "overshadowed," referring to the organized scouting department he assembled.

"It's been a whirlwind, kind of like running around like a chicken with your head cut off," Walsh said.

Walsh's biggest roster decision is what to do with Marbury, the starting point guard who played 24 games this season. Walsh was under the impression Marbury's November feud with Thomas and walkout in Phoenix undermined the season. Walsh wanted to get more information on the incident. The Post has reported Thomas told Marbury to go home.

According to a source familiar with the meeting between Walsh and Marbury, Walsh told the rehabbing Marbury, 31, he wants him to work extra hard this summer to come back next season as the starting point guard.

"He told Stephon he wants him back at the same high level he knows he's capable of," the source said. "It was positive."

Walsh is not in position to talk buyout yet, until he finds Marbury's successor. There is no other true point guard on the roster. Marbury, who had ankle surgery in January, plans on playing in pro-am tournaments this summer for the first time in years.

If the Knicks' next coach is Mark Jackson, he also will have a say in Marbury's future. The former all-time assists leader might take an extra challenge in molding Marbury into his type of point guard. Plus, they are both born-again Christians.

Jackson quit his job with the YES Network on Wednesday night, but told The Post it was unrelated to the Knicks' job.

Walsh indicated his interest in Jackson before Wednesday's season finale in Indianapolis, saying he knew he would always make a good coach. Walsh tried to interview Jackson for the Pacers last year, but Larry Bird was opposed.

The players all seemed resigned that Thomas would not return to the bench next season.

"I feel bad, I take things personally, like maybe I could've done more," Jamal Crawford said. "I don't think he should get all the criticism because you can only do so much as coach. I feel bad. I take it personally."

Walsh's other chief aim in the offseason is strengthening the team's interior defense, which means trading either Eddy Curry or Zach Randolph, both poor defenders and shot-blockers.

Indiana's oft-injured Jermaine O'Neal could be a short-term solution for Walsh, who wants to be playoff-caliber even during the two seasons he looks to clear cap space for the free-agent crop of 2010. O'Neal's contract expires in 2010 and the cost-cutting Pacers could be willing to take Marbury's expiring contract plus a young player, such as Wilson Chandler, to save money.

Walsh did not use injuries as an excuse for the club's 23-59 record, which tied the high for most franchise losses. In Thomas' four full seasons running the Knicks, they went 33-49, 23-59, 33-49 and 23-59.
The Knicks probably won't re-sign free agents Fred Jones or center Randolph Morris. Walsh's chances of signing a mid-level free agent point guard will be tempered because he doesn't want to shell out more than a two-year deal.


So get ready for this


Randolph or Curry or Steph, James, Lee, and a pick

4

O'neal, Diogu, Diener



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-18-2008 4:42 PM]
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4/18/2008  5:39 PM
Seems like they could re-assign him OR reach a buyout. It's not a fait accompli that he stays, if it was gonna be that, he'd have a new title already.
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4/18/2008  5:53 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by PresIke:

Is there room for discussion on this here? I know some are VERY upset (not even saying I'm not), and I'm not invalidating that feeling, but it also isn't necessarily fair to suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with that is is either Isiah 100% out or nothing is crazy or wrong.

Personally, this is what I expected from the get go, and think that it doesn't necessarily have to be as bad for the future of the team as folks are making it out to be. I'm quite sure there are those that will disagree, but some are making some grand leaps in assumptions here that we have ZERO insight into the goings on behind the scenes.

The reality is that Dolan is paying Isiah a lot of money. Is their relationship part of the deal? Sure could be, and wouldn't surprise me at all.

Simply because Walsh retains Isiah does not mean nothing will change. Did the term "cap flexibility" mean anything? What about all of the praise for other things we felt about Walsh before? Isiah is no longer the Coach, and Walsh is the President of Operations. Isiah may have a say in something for the team but he isn't the final decider.

To me, that's been the BIGGER problem and that he was coach.

I'm sure I'll be labeled and yelled at by folks, but sorry, I am not as stark raving mad as others.

Isiah is not in charge, and that's the bottom line for me.



It's like defending the doctor who left a little bit of the malignant tumor behind in the cancer operation.

And the scalpel.


And a pint of Thunderbird, a condom and a revolver.
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4/18/2008  5:54 PM
Is this too farfetched in that DW gets us back to respectability then I SAY UGH takes over again... down the road?
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4/18/2008  5:56 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Is this too farfetched in that DW gets us back to respectability then I SAY UGH takes over again... down the road?


I think it's safe to assume that
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4/18/2008  6:05 PM
isles and Blue -

I don't want to be coined the Isiah apologist here, because I am not defending his mistakes which we know are many.

I'm just asking if this is as bad as we are making it out to be in terms of actual harm to the future, or is it our own anger and desire for revenge as fans at a team that has been in a terrible situation for years, with which Isiah has become possibly the biggest lightning rod.

Dolan is paying him big bucks + good relationship with he and Walsh + looking to find some way for him to earn that salary given all of the promises Isiah's made to improve the team = Isiah stays in a lesser non decision making role.
"I value Isiah's knowledge of the game and his opinions, so I will use him as a resource. Isiah will be reporting to me. There will be nobody reporting to Isiah."

This may not help much, but I think that Isiah can offer something as a scout, consultant, whatever, to find a way to earn his pay. To me he is not a complete slouch in terms of b-ball, and if Walsh can tap into those strengths then good for him. If he doesn't like Isiah's view, then he doesn't have to agree. Differing opinions are good anyway when making decisions.

Isiah is not the sole individual responsible for our team's plight. He's a major figure and as GM/Prez/Coach he's done a lot of damage, but it's been cumulative and multi-partied in terms of who's responsible.

If the team keeps sucking then you all will be right, sure, but none of us will be any happier. I have some faith in Walsh and see/hear some distinctive differences in approach.

I'm sorry some are very disappointed. Can't say I blame you either. We've all clearly suffered and just want to feel that we are being heard. I do feel that there is very legit anger for feeling that some die hard fans are not being respected. I'm fortunate enough to not feel that way, but I can empathize as a Knick fan, for sure.

Let's just hope things work out for us all down the road with improvement and success.

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-18-2008 6:06 PM]
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4/18/2008  6:16 PM
Isiah will take over as GM once walsh is gone. Guaranteed. Which is the nightmare scenario that we all feared.
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4/18/2008  6:18 PM
Isiah Thomas will be back as GM and trading draft picks for a 33 year old Ricky Davis in about 3 years. You can count on that.
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4/18/2008  6:23 PM
it's comforting to know that isiah will be around to continue helping our players grow as people...
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