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4/13/2008  12:50 AM
...and Mark Jackson for coach?

So where does that leave Super-Scout Isiah? :heehee:


.....again, grain of salt, as I doubt the Daily News has gotten any real info leaked from Walsh - who has said he will take his time with these matters and that we'll know about them - AFTER he's done them. So, well, whatever...but who knows all the same.

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Billy King and Rick Sund top Donnie Walsh's list for Knicks' GM

By MITCH LAWRENCE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Saturday, April 12th 2008, 8:08 PM

Donnie Walsh said he'll interview Billy King and Rick Sund for the Knicks' GM spot.

Donnie Walsh has narrowed his choices for Knicks GM to a short list that includes long-time NBA executives Billy King and Rick Sund, the Daily News has learned.

According to an NBA executive who talked with Walsh this past week, the team's new president has plans to begin interviewing King and Sund, and perhaps a third candidate, shortly after the season ends Wednesday.

As for the third candidate, Isiah Thomas is not in the mix to stay on as GM, according to the source, who also said that Walsh is not thinking of Mark Jackson for the post, either. Jackson has been mentioned as a potential GM since Walsh's arrival.

"Donnie is looking at Jackson as a coaching candidate," said the source.

When Walsh took over 12 days ago, he did not commit to bringing in a GM to help him rebuild the Knicks. Although he intends to be hands-on, the fact that he has targeted experienced executives tells you how he views the task. In a word, monumental.

While Golden State's Chris Mullin is a protégé of Walsh's, he is not on the short list, perhaps because he is under contract to Golden State. That looks to be a stumbling block for Walsh, even as the St. John's legend's name continues to be linked to the post. Similarly, Denver executive Mark Warkentien had been seen as Walsh's first choice to help him rebuild the team. But Warkentien is under contract to the Nuggets and also did not make Walsh's short list. Hiring King or Sund would not cost the Knicks compensation.

Glen Grunwald, the Knicks senior VP of Basketball Operations, was in Portsmouth, Va., last week scouting potential draft picks. But his tenure will come to an end when Walsh fires Thomas, possibly as early as Thursday, the day after the Knick season ends. Thomas, meanwhile, could be reassigned within the organization.

"Once Donnie takes care of Isiah, and then after he meets with the players, then he will start sitting down with his potential GM's," the source said.

King was in his fifth season as Sixers president, and 11th season overall in Philly, when he was fired this season. His stock has been on the rise as the Sixers have played their way into the postseason for the first time since 2005. King worked for Walsh and the Pacers as an assistant coach under Larry Brown for four seasons in the mid-90's.

Sund, a 30-year NBA front-office executive, has never worked for Walsh, but the two have had dealings as far back as the 1980's when Sund ran the Dallas Mavericks. Sund is also a candidate for the GM job in Indiana under team president Larry Bird. Sund headed up the Sonics for six years before being axed after last season due to an ownership change. The Sonics won the Northwest Division in 2005 and advanced to the second round. He spent this season as a consultant to the team and turned down a chance to join the Nets as Rod Thorn's special assistant. That job went to Kiki Vandeweghe.

Because of their experience running teams, King and Sund were considered the top candidates for Milwaukee's GM opening. Both had interviews with the Bucks, who also approached Walsh about their position, but that job was filled last Friday by Detroit VP John Hammond.

Walsh could expand his GM wish-list if the Hawks fire Billy Knight. There has been speculation that Atlanta will clean house, with Knight and coach Mike Woodson both getting pink slips. Like King, Knight worked under Walsh in Indiana, for five seasons when he was starting out as an NBA executive.
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4/13/2008  1:14 AM
Jackons for coach and King for gm and call it a day.

hopefully after the season they do it quickly and then focus on the draft, i don't want this caca to go on a week before the draft.
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4/13/2008  1:19 AM
King and Sund are lame candidates. Why hire a loser re-tread when you could try to pick up one of the young minds at an actual successful franchise like Phoenix or San Antonio?

Billy King gave out some of the worst contracts I've ever seen - though i guess to be fair he has drafted relatively well in the last few years, but only after years of bad drafts.

Sund signed Jerome James the first time around, to a contract almost as bad as Isiah gave him and the Sonics were pretty bad or mediocre for most of his tenure there. The guy who replaced him is getting credit for undoing his moves. And I don't know Sund's history in Dallas, but that time frame sounds like he may have been there in the 90s when Dallas was winning 11 games a year and one of the biggest jokes in the entire league.
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Posted by crzymdups:

King and Sund are lame candidates. Why hire a loser re-tread when you could try to pick up one of the young minds at an actual successful franchise like Phoenix or San Antonio?

Billy King gave out some of the worst contracts I've ever seen - though i guess to be fair he has drafted relatively well in the last few years, but only after years of bad drafts.

Sund signed Jerome James the first time around, to a contract almost as bad as Isiah gave him and the Sonics were pretty bad or mediocre for most of his tenure there. The guy who replaced him is getting credit for undoing his moves. And I don't know Sund's history in Dallas, but that time frame sounds like he may have been there in the 90s when Dallas was winning 11 games a year and one of the biggest jokes in the entire league.

Yeah, I'd be happier if we keep Grunwald and have him stick to what he's doing, and hire Jackson as coach, and have Walsh stay in charge of bball decisions, as opposed to settling for less, b/c nobody else is available. BTW, I want nothing to do with Chris Mullin.
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4/13/2008  2:11 AM
I don't think you can really sit here and judge these guys. It's clear they will just fill the Grunwald position and run everything by Walsh. Both guys have had past success in the league. If Walsh trusts them enough to work for him, go for it.
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4/13/2008  3:36 AM
here's what was written about Sund when he was fired last year:
The Sonics are cleaning house, or at least rearranging the furniture. Coach Bob Hill's contract has not been renewed, and GM Rick Sund has been reassigned into oblivion. (Wonder if he has to humiliatingly clean out a nice office and move to a shabby cube?) Lenny Wilkens and Clayton Bennett will lead the search for replacements.

Don't lose sight of the fact that the Sonics are sitting on an excellent draft pick. ("To Yi or not to Yi? That is the question.") They need someone to run the draft which is coming up shortly. There must be pressure to get someone installed quickly.

Mike Seely of Seattle Weekly explains his take on his Buzzer Beater blog:

Hill's shortcomings, in my opinion, were his lack of sophisticated offensive sets that emphasized ball movement, getting his team to play consistently vigilant D, and failure to settle upon a mildly effective rotation until too far into the season. The latter is somewhat understandable due to: (a) injuries to Robert Swift, Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis and (b) the parts he was given to work with by the inept Sund, whose affinity for (addiction to?) drafting raw, teenage seven-footers and signing undersized role players (Ridnour, Collison) to cap-hampering multi-year extensions have turned the Supes' roster into a materially flawed, blow-it-up-or-else proposition.

As for who might replace Hill and Sund, the names people keep floating are Rick Adelman and Lenny Wilkens, respectively. Sorry, not interested. Defensive-minded ex-T'Wolf coach (and ex-Sonic associate head coach) Dwane Casey is the only candidate for the floor job, in my opinion. And it'd be nice to pluck a young comer from the front office of an innovative, perennial playoff team like San Antonio rather than give the keys to an affable has-been like Wilkens, who is said to have approved of the Mo Sene selection in last year's first round. That right there should be enough to disqualify him from consideration.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-23-113/Goodbye-Bob-Hill-and--sort-of--Rick-Sund.html

the bolded part sounds a lot like Isiah. and let's not forget, he signed Calvin Booth AND Jerome James to ridiculous contracts.

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4/13/2008  3:40 AM
http://www.bullz-eye.com/paulsen/2007/0307.htm
Over lunch, I asked a friend of mine, “Who’s the worst GM in the NBA?”

His answer?

“Besides Isiah Thomas?”

Over the past few years, Thomas has certainly staked his claim as the very worst in franchise management, but I don’t think it’s fair to rush to judgment. There are some other perennially awful teams in the league, and in most cases, poor management is to blame. So who else should be in the conversation? I came up with a list of nine GMs who are leading teams that have gotten appreciably worse (or haven’t improved much) over the last few seasons:

Isiah Thomas (Knicks), Kevin McHale (Timberwolves), Billy King (Sixers), Billy Knight (Hawks), Danny Ainge (Celtics), Rick Sund (Sonics), Chris Mullin (Warriors), Bernie Bickerstaff (Hornets) and Larry Harris (Bucks).

that article goes on to look at some of the moves of those gms, here's Sund and King:
Rick Sund (Seattle Supersonics)

[trade: +5, re-sign: +3] 2/03 – Sund took advantage of the Ray Allen/Michael Redd situation in Milwaukee by stealing Ray Ray away, only giving up a washed-up point guard (Gary Payton) and a guy who still can’t shoot (Desmond Mason). However, Allen is a guy who commands max money but doesn’t provide max results, which is why the ’05 Allen re-sign gets a +3.

[+1] 7/03 – He did a fair job landing two serviceable players in the unspectacular Nick Collison (#12) and the wispy Luke Ridnour (#14), but neither guy has developed into an established starter. In that draft, Sund passed on the likes of David West, Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa and Josh Howard. He’d trade both Collison and Ridnour for any of those guys in a heartbeat.

[-14] – In the next three drafts, Sund picked three project centers: Robert Swift (#12) in ’04, Johan Petro (#25) in ’05 and Saer Sene (#10) in ’06. In drafting these guys, he passed on Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, Delonte West, Tony Allen, Kevin Martin, David Lee and Marcus Williams. Swift is injured while Petro and Sene are combining for a dreadful 7.5 points and 5.4 rebounds this season. What a brutal draft run.

[trade: +3, re-sign: +1] 2/06 – Turning short timer Vladimir Radmanovic into Chris Wilcox was a nice move, though he hasn’t developed into a 15/10 guy like the Sonics hoped. The team may eventually regret re-signing him last summer.

[+1] 2/06 – Sund acquired Earl Watson for Reggie Evans, trading toughness in the frontcourt for toughness in the backcourt. I’m convinced that Watson can anchor a bench, but he’s not yet a starter.

[-5] 2/07 – Sund’s biggest mistake was not to trade Rashard Lewis before the deadline after deciding not to sign him to an extension before the season. Now it looks like Lewis will opt out this summer, which means the Sonics may get nothing in return for their stud swingman.

Final score: -5

In fairness, Sund has had to deal with franchise’s fiscal problems and potential ownership change, though it’s clear he’s better at trading players than he is at drafting them. And that Lewis debacle is going to hurt.

Billy King (Philadelphia 76ers)


[+1] 7/03 – The ’03 draft has to be considered a success. King acquired a serviceable player (Korver) with just a 2nd round pick to work with.

[Big Dog: -2, C-Webb: -5] 7/03, 2/05 – King struggled trying to find a second star to play with Iverson. Both Glenn Robinson and Chris Webber were busts.

[+4] 9/03 – Re-signed Allen Iverson. What can you say? He had to keep The Answer in town.

[+5] 7/04 – Andre Iguodala (#9) has really blossomed since Iverson left the team, and it’s tough to argue that King could have done any better in the ’04 draft.

[-3] 8/05 – He signed Dalembert to a huge contract, but the big fella hasn’t really developed much in the last two seasons, and there are rumors that the team wants to move him.

[+1] 7/06 – King drafted Thabo Sefolosha (#13) and traded him for Rodney Carney. It’s tough to say, but at this point, Carney still looks like a good prospect.

[-4] 7/06 – Mysteriously, King allowed John Salmons to enter free agency and didn’t get anything in return. With Iverson on the way out, Salmons could have been a valuable piece to the get-back-to-respectability puzzle.

[-1] 10/06 – King could have done better than Andre Miller, Joe Smith and two first round picks for AI. The picks are nice, but Miller is a little old to be the point guard for a team in the early stages of a rebuilding effort.

[-4] 1/07 – Waiving Chris Webber guaranteed that the Sixers wouldn’t get anything in return for him. His huge salary made it almost impossible to move him, but had they held on, his expiring salary might have led to a productive trade this summer.

Final score: -7

King is justifiably considered one of the worst GMs in the league. His draft picks have worked out pretty well (Iguodala is becoming a star), but the Big Dog and C-Webb signings were nothing short of catastrophic.

He doesn't mention that the trade for CWebb was the sort of trade Isiah would have loved to make. It was a total cap killer for an over the hill name.


Don't hire a re-tread!



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4/13/2008  3:55 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

King and Sund are lame candidates. Why hire a loser re-tread when you could try to pick up one of the young minds at an actual successful franchise like Phoenix or San Antonio?

Billy King gave out some of the worst contracts I've ever seen - though i guess to be fair he has drafted relatively well in the last few years, but only after years of bad drafts.

Sund signed Jerome James the first time around, to a contract almost as bad as Isiah gave him and the Sonics were pretty bad or mediocre for most of his tenure there. The guy who replaced him is getting credit for undoing his moves. And I don't know Sund's history in Dallas, but that time frame sounds like he may have been there in the 90s when Dallas was winning 11 games a year and one of the biggest jokes in the entire league.

I would take King over Sund. I would rather have new blood like Calipari but I guess that is not happening. Atleast King has been somewhat exonerated from the Sixers stunning turn around this year. He also can take credit for Igudola Louis Williams Dalembart Thad Young Kyle Korver Willie Green [3 of which were 2nd round picks] with no really high picks[Andre I was picked 9th] While he did scrw up with Webber and a couple of others--his drafting has been pretty darn good. He did have to rebuild the team on the fly and with no high picks and the team is in pretty good shape going forward. Sund drafted three project Cs 3 years in a row with very high picks and I mean RAWWWWWW C Sene Swift and Petro. King is not a terrible choice at all. I think circumstances have to be factored in and they had a huge one with AI--they also did go to the finals under his watch.
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4/13/2008  4:44 AM
This is not exciting news. I agree that King is better than Sund. No one is better than Sund.
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4/13/2008  10:24 AM
where is Hornets former GM Allan Bristow?

he was a pretty good evaluator of talent and helped put together some very competitive teams for the Hornets.






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4/13/2008  10:58 AM
Kings resume is much better than Sunds. Aside from his good draft picks (Andre Iguodala, Carney, Korver 2nd round,) you have to give King a pass, I believe when he signed C-Webb and others as he tried to build a team around Iverson which is very difficult. Once Iverson was removed, the team began to evolve.
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4/13/2008  12:39 PM
i hope sund is a joke. honestly and all kidding aside, how is that guy better than briggs? i'd rather have freaking briggs run the team based on what he posts on the message boards here. sund's drafts are an absolute JOKE! mohammad saer sene! robert swift! these are some of the WORST players in the NBA that this idiot took with lottery picks! billy king, fine, he had some solid drafts at the end of his tenure and was kind of screwed w/ the whole iverson/c-webb thing, man, can't we think outside the box and get someone new?

look at what seattle replaced sund with, they got a guy (presi) who grew up in the spurs system and what has he done. drafted very well (durant and green) and shed the sonics of almost all long-term salary obligations. this is a guy who is like 29 years old with NO experience. going after sund is pathetic, king is re-tread, i don't know why they can't do better. if it was king and mark jackson i'd be happy i guess, if sund is hired man these guys just dont know what they're doing
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4/13/2008  1:08 PM
I'd prefer the Knicks give Greg Anthony a shot. I know he has no experience, but he will be working closely with Walsh and will be able to grow.
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4/13/2008  1:10 PM
exactly, why not think outside the box here? give greg anthony a shot, give mark jackson a shot, why must re-treads like sund be hired over and over again? what has this guy done of relevance lately?
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4/13/2008  3:55 PM
Im sure Walsh will add a couple of names on that list for interviews. I personally dont' think it's going to go down to just those 2 individuals

I think we're in for a big surprise on who will be named the next Knicks G.M.
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4/14/2008  9:35 AM
I don't understand wanting a new blook with no back ground than a guy with mixed results. Calipari and anthony have no GM experience so they are assumed to be good?

Look, Seattle won its division in 05 and had a good team. I always blame the combo of an owner and president for a GM's failure or success.

Seattle was put into a situation to SLASH costs and then get sold. Does that justify some of its picks? not really, but the new guy has a new owner who allowed him to rebuild and stock up on picks.

King had the task of starphuching a team around Iverson to keep competitive and only an owner would have to dictate to continue to build around a player like that. Iverson put fans in the building. Remember Iverson had baggage and the market was not that High for a small guy who relies on his quickness and is aging.

Philly is going to the playoffs, has cap space and its picks.

All GM's make mistakes. No doubt it would be great to have a guy with a winning tradition but this is Walsh's game more than the GM and the right combo of management could be nice.

This is such a different set of circumstances it will be interesting to see what happens with whom they hire, and what moves are made the next few years.
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4/14/2008  9:50 AM
Posted by Nalod:

I don't understand wanting a new blook with no back ground than a guy with mixed results. Calipari and anthony have no GM experience so they are assumed to be good?
Look, Seattle won its division in 05 and had a good team. I always blame the combo of an owner and president for a GM's failure or success.

Seattle was put into a situation to SLASH costs and then get sold. Does that justify some of its picks? not really, but the new guy has a new owner who allowed him to rebuild and stock up on picks.

King had the task of starphuching a team around Iverson to keep competitive and only an owner would have to dictate to continue to build around a player like that. Iverson put fans in the building. Remember Iverson had baggage and the market was not that High for a small guy who relies on his quickness and is aging.

Philly is going to the playoffs, has cap space and its picks.

All GM's make mistakes. No doubt it would be great to have a guy with a winning tradition but this is Walsh's game more than the GM and the right combo of management could be nice.

This is such a different set of circumstances it will be interesting to see what happens with whom they hire, and what moves are made the next few years.

Nalod, all GM's had to get a start somewhere. I can't think of a better place for a Newbie GM to get his feet wet than under Walsh's tutelage. I'm tired of NBA retreads and spinning the wheels. Any reservations you might have about hiring Anthony, just know that Walsh will be right there with him in the war room and will ultimately have the last say on any deals.
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4/14/2008  10:07 AM
When you think it couldn't get worse...These can't be the best the NBA has to offer this once storied franchise, is it?...This is still New York isn't it?...This is MSG we are talking about here, no?...This is the place where Jerry West and Colangelo wanted to lay that Rembrandt before riding off into the sunset...How can Sund and/or King possibly be the answer?...Doesn't Walsh know it's way past April 1st to be playing a cruel joke like this on us...Being the laughing stock of the NBA the last eight years isn't enough?...I haven't watch ball for the last few weeks now...I can't, it just too painful...Is it too early to fire Walsh?...I can't take another four years of this crap...
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4/14/2008  10:25 AM
I wouldn't get too worked up over some claims in an article at this point. They don't really know what's going to happen over the next few months. Even when we try to think of guys we could hire it's not that easy to come up with names. I think once we got Walsh the West and Colangelo idea was out the window and in a sense it should be. We will be looking more long term and there are bound to be guys like Greg Anthony out there who just might have the kind of skills needed to be the next great GM. Who knew Dumars would be as good as he's been until he got the job?
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4/14/2008  11:37 AM
Posted by holfresh:

When you think it couldn't get worse...These can't be the best the NBA has to offer this once storied franchise, is it?...This is still New York isn't it?...This is MSG we are talking about here, no?...This is the place where Jerry West and Colangelo wanted to lay that Rembrandt before riding off into the sunset...How can Sund and/or King possibly be the answer?...Doesn't Walsh know it's way past April 1st to be playing a cruel joke like this on us...Being the laughing stock of the NBA the last eight years isn't enough?...I haven't watch ball for the last few weeks now...I can't, it just too painful...Is it too early to fire Walsh?...I can't take another four years of this crap...

Holfresh, what is with the Billy King hate? I can understand not wanting Sund, but we can do ALOT worse than King.
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