Posted by King1:

are going to trade on draft night a double-double player for a player with a high ceiling. Everyone on this board wanted Taft and Blatche instead of Lee and that would have gotten the Knicks no where. You already know what your getting with Lee paying him 3 years 27 million and see how he develops. He has had zero coaching and played with total morons for 3 years. He doesnt demand the ball and a part of his game improves each year. You can trade him at anytime but to want a Randolph or McVale that hasnt proved anything for a guy that has is bad business.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by King1:

are going to trade on draft night a double-double player for a player with a high ceiling. Everyone on this board wanted Taft and Blatche instead of Lee and that would have gotten the Knicks no where. You already know what your getting with Lee paying him 3 years 27 million and see how he develops. He has had zero coaching and played with total morons for 3 years. He doesnt demand the ball and a part of his game improves each year. You can trade him at anytime but to want a Randolph or McVale that hasnt proved anything for a guy that has is bad business.

King 1---who is going to play C for the Knicks long term? What is your solution? Has the defensive threesome of Randolph Lee and Curry worked out? What happens if a team offers David Lee 5 years and 47mm--will David Lee leave 20mm on the table? He could set his whole family up for life. IF the Knicks true goal is getting under the cap to have a shot at Lebron--something has to give somewhere in terms of the $$$$--instead of the criticisms of possible solutions--at least offer up your own solution.
Right now we have Marbury 6-2 Jones 6-3 Crawford 6-4 Nate 5-7 under contract--do we really need another smallish offensive-minded guard? The only smallish guard that makes sense is Westbrook who is still physically two years and a refined jumpshot away from being a player. The reason why he is different from Gordon Bayless etc... is defense. Somewhere down the line we need atleast one player who can help protect the rim with shot blocking--where is that coming from---we've been the worst at it for the last 4-5 years--and look at our record--we dont protect the basket and w edont guard the ball. The one thing that I did see over the last few games was with the insertions of Chandler and jefferiues--it improved our length and our defense looked better.

If a team offers him 5 yrs, $47 mil, I could see the Knicks countering with a 3 year max contract deal. That would be smarter than losing him for nothing and wouldn't affect the cap meaningfully. As to center, let's work on one position at a time. If we lose D Lee, then we have zero centers AND zero PFs worth keeping in the long-term.

It doesnt work like that. If a team signs an offer sheet with Lee--the Knicks only option is to match or make a deal with the team to get a litle back. The Knicks need to purge a contract--that is the bottom line if they want to Keep Lee long term and have cap space--easier said than done.

It would probably take giving up a high lottery pick with Zach Randolph to get rid of him--that is the price--and that is very expensive.

Posted by King1:

He has had zero coaching and played with total morons for 3 years.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by King1:

are going to trade on draft night a double-double player for a player with a high ceiling. Everyone on this board wanted Taft and Blatche instead of Lee and that would have gotten the Knicks no where. You already know what your getting with Lee paying him 3 years 27 million and see how he develops. He has had zero coaching and played with total morons for 3 years. He doesnt demand the ball and a part of his game improves each year. You can trade him at anytime but to want a Randolph or McVale that hasnt proved anything for a guy that has is bad business.

King 1---who is going to play C for the Knicks long term? What is your solution? Has the defensive threesome of Randolph Lee and Curry worked out? What happens if a team offers David Lee 5 years and 47mm--will David Lee leave 20mm on the table? He could set his whole family up for life. IF the Knicks true goal is getting under the cap to have a shot at Lebron--something has to give somewhere in terms of the $$$$--instead of the criticisms of possible solutions--at least offer up your own solution.
Right now we have Marbury 6-2 Jones 6-3 Crawford 6-4 Nate 5-7 under contract--do we really need another smallish offensive-minded guard? The only smallish guard that makes sense is Westbrook who is still physically two years and a refined jumpshot away from being a player. The reason why he is different from Gordon Bayless etc... is defense. Somewhere down the line we need atleast one player who can help protect the rim with shot blocking--where is that coming from---we've been the worst at it for the last 4-5 years--and look at our record--we dont protect the basket and w edont guard the ball. The one thing that I did see over the last few games was with the insertions of Chandler and jefferiues--it improved our length and our defense looked better.

If a team offers him 5 yrs, $47 mil, I could see the Knicks countering with a 3 year max contract deal. That would be smarter than losing him for nothing and wouldn't affect the cap meaningfully. As to center, let's work on one position at a time. If we lose D Lee, then we have zero centers AND zero PFs worth keeping in the long-term.

It doesnt work like that. If a team signs an offer sheet with Lee--the Knicks only option is to match or make a deal with the team to get a litle back. The Knicks need to purge a contract--that is the bottom line if they want to Keep Lee long term and have cap space--easier said than done.

It would probably take giving up a high lottery pick with Zach Randolph to get rid of him--that is the price--and that is very expensive.

You're right; my bad. Hopefully they won't let it get to that stage where he's signing with another team.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-09-2008 2:22 PM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

the solution is so simple... just frontload Lee's contract like Denver did. I really dont have a problem giving Lee 5 years and $48mm. Just make it like this: $13, $11, $8, $8, $8. That accomplishes two things. It make it more cap friendly for when we want the cap space, and makes it more trade friendly when we might want that option.

If we have picks 1-2 we are taking Rose or Beasley. There is no doubt about it. If we have 4-5 its up in the air. Who knows if they fall in love with a guy like Mayo during workouts. I do think they can buy some later picks, or use some of the younger players to get some as well.

That's still gonna put us in jeopardy of being over the cap in 2010/11. We'd have $53 mil wrapped up in just five players then. I think that would be worth it, though, and if there's a legit chance to get under the cap, then in 2009 you may have to offer something extremely enticing to get a team to take the final two years of Zach's contract in exchange for an expiring contract (like our lottery selected player this year if that player develops into something good). I'd try to front-load it even more than that, though. I'm sure Lee would accept it--it just means you're getting more immediate cash!

Posted by King1:

Then if you dont get the top 2 picks trade down and get one of the guys you want. I would rather have McVale at 10 then Lopez at three. If you sign him to three years you can get under the cap. Getting rid of Curry and Randolph are the keys to the whole rebuilding. Having Zach on this team sets rebuilding back 2 extra years.

Posted by Queeniepop:

Three years at $27M is steep...check out some of the players that make around $9M...David should make about $6 or $7M...like $18M to $21M over three years

Sam Dalembert $9M         Overpaid
Andre Miller $9M          Prob Overpaid
TJ Ford $8M               Fair value(?)
Andres Nocioni $8.5M      Prob Overpaid
Big Z $10M                Overpaid
Tayshaun Prince $8.7M     GREAT value
Troy Murphy $9.2M         Overpaid
Caron Butler $8.2M        Good value
Josh Howard $9M           Good value
Mike Miller $8.2M         Overpaid
David West $10M           Good Value
Tyson Chandler $10M       Overpaid
Manu Ginobili $9M         Great Value
Mehmet Okur $8.5M         Great Value
Chris Kaman $8.6M         Fair value
Boris Diaw $9.0M          Overpaid