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4/6/2008  1:47 PM
There are teams that if they won the lottery would probably take Beasley over Rose. So depending on which team got the #1 pick. I left the Knicks out.

Miami - Beasley
If have Wade already I doubt they would use the #1 on a PG. Wade/Beasley/Marion seem to make more sense. Or they could trade down. I wouldn't mind offering Curry & our pick to move up to #1. This way they could get Curry & they could get a top 7 pick and still land a Foward like Griffin or Randolph.

Seattle - Rose
They would want a PG or Center. They have 2 picks in the first rd. There is a possibility they would look to trade down if they got #1. Target Lopez with there first pick and a PG with there 2nd pick. While adding a draft pick for next yrs draft or something. They could also just draft Rose and then try and move up with the 2nd first rd pick and target Roy Hibbert.

Memphis - Beasley
They have Conley, Lowry, Crittion(spell). I doubt they would draft Rose. They also would probably prefer a big man in this draft since there are 6 prospects. They also have 2 picks in the first rd. They could draft Beasley and then look to trade Miller for a PF already in the league. There is a possibility they could look to trade down. Target Lopez & then Joey Dorsey with there later pick.

Minnesota - Rose
They have Foye and Telfair. They would probably prefer a SG & Tyson Chandler(ish) is Center. In the end if they got the #1 pick. They would draft Rose to pair him up with Jefferson and probably trade Foye or Telfair for a natural SG.

LAC - Rose
Rose no question.

Miluakee - Beasley
Beasly no question.

Charlotte - Rose
They already have Felton who hasn't reached the next level yet. There would be a strong possibility they would want to trade down and target Lopez. Depends on how strongly they feel about Felton going forward.

Chicago - Rose
In this situation, they would definatly start looking for trade partners to move Hinrich & Ty Thomas for a stud low post scoring PF. Hinrich, Gordan & Ty Thomas for Elton Brand(S&T) & Clippers lotto pick or next yrs pick #1 protected?? Brand goes back to the Bulls?? Rose, Hughes, Deng,Brand,Noah(ouch).

Indy - Rose
Rose no question

Nets - Beasley
Nets would probably trade down to #3 to target Lopez.

Kings - Rose
Rose no question

Portland - Rose
They would give Beasley a look. But since Rose would be a big upgrade for them at Pg. And since Outlaw has emerged. Rose easily becomes there choice.

Dallas - Rose
Rose would be groomed behind Kidd. There would be a very very small possibility that Dallas would trade down for a defensive banger center. I know they are going to target Thabeet this draft.

So if Miami & Memphis were #1 & #2 we would have an excellent that at trading up for Rose depending on where we select. If Miami, Memphis, Milakee are #1, 2, 3 then we would have an even better shot at trying to trade for Rose. Though many other teams would be trying to do the same thing.
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4/6/2008  1:50 PM
I also wouldn't be suprised to see Lopez stock rise and become #2 while Beasley stock falls a little to be #3 for the fact that Lopez might be more in demand than Beasley. If Lopez has great workouts and interviews pre draft. Then he could jump Beasley. Of course it all depends on whos drafting.

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 04-06-2008 1:51 PM]
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4/6/2008  3:42 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I also wouldn't be suprised to see Lopez stock rise and become #2 while Beasley stock falls a little to be #3 for the fact that Lopez might be more in demand than Beasley. If Lopez has great workouts and interviews pre draft. Then he could jump Beasley. Of course it all depends on whos drafting.

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 04-06-2008 1:51 PM]

I don't agree. I don't think it's even a lock that Lopez is the third pick. He's a good, but not great player with limited potential. Beasley could be a star.

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4/6/2008  3:50 PM
I think Memphis would be very tempted to take their hometown hero Derrick Rose. the Memphis Tigers are far more popular in Memphis than the Grizzlies right now and if they win it all tomorrow, Memphis would be REAMED if they had the no.1 and didn't take their hometown champ.
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4/6/2008  3:50 PM
It's Rose for sure. Lopez, no matter what # he goes, will go as the rist center chosen.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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4/6/2008  3:55 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I think Memphis would be very tempted to take their hometown hero Derrick Rose. the Memphis Tigers are far more popular in Memphis than the Grizzlies right now and if they win it all tomorrow, Memphis would be REAMED if they had the no.1 and didn't take their hometown champ.

I hadn't thought of that. Then, they'd probably want to trade Mike Conley.

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4/6/2008  3:55 PM
who cares about lopez that guys ceiling is bogut
and he might not get it
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4/6/2008  4:24 PM
Posted by Siar617:

who cares about lopez that guys ceiling is bogut
and he might not get it

Auhhhhh, better think bout that for a moment. We might end up needing him.
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4/6/2008  4:35 PM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I also wouldn't be suprised to see Lopez stock rise and become #2 while Beasley stock falls a little to be #3 for the fact that Lopez might be more in demand than Beasley. If Lopez has great workouts and interviews pre draft. Then he could jump Beasley. Of course it all depends on whos drafting.

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 04-06-2008 1:51 PM]

I don't agree. I don't think it's even a lock that Lopez is the third pick. He's a good, but not great player with limited potential. Beasley could be a star.

It may not happen, Im not saying that it will happen. Im saying that since there seems to be more of a demand for a big man by the teams in the lottery like Miami, Seattle, Memphis, Miluakee, Charlotte, Nets. **If** Lopez were to have a very strong pre draft that I wouldn't be suprised if he could jump Beasley at #2. Most likley a team will trade down. Unless Beasley become projected as a PF.

Miami/Marion, Seattle/Durant, Memphis/Miller, LAC/Thornton, Bobcats/Wallace, Bulls/Deng, Indy/Dunleavy, NJ/Jefferson.

If Seattle won the lottery and Bulls or Bobcats landed the #2 pick. Would either of those teams want to draft Beasley?? Now if Lopez tore it up during his pre draft workouts. Possibilities are either Bulls or Bobcats trade down. They draft Lopez who had a great pre draft and fits more of a need. Or they take Beasley best player available and figure it out later.
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4/6/2008  4:44 PM
I don't want the bulls having any shot at anything. They got enough thank you.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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4/7/2008  9:18 AM
Now that I think about the two year draft perspective (hoping Walsh is into a real rebuild) I think the best possible two year scenario would see Beasly somehow falling to us this year and Ricky Rubio becoming our PG of the future in next years draft. Wouldnt matter if you add Bosh or LBJ to the mix via Free Agency in 2010. This team would be so much fun to watch!!!!
Of course Id also love to get Rose but some Midget blew our chances for that right...

Damn Ricky Rubio is exactly the pass first PG I would love to be added to Beasley and a BIG time Free Agent!!!



[Edited by - dodger78 on 04-07-2008 09:20 AM]
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4/7/2008  10:19 AM
^ Ricky Rubio. I like the stutter step. I like the anticipation. I like the No Fear attitude he seems to have going to the basket. I like a pass first PG. I like a tall PG.

He could very well average 10 assists and 4 dimes in the NBA
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4/7/2008  10:27 AM
Am I the only one who actually thinks Mark Jackson when he watches this vid?!
The way he moves, the court vision and anticipation...
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4/7/2008  10:49 AM
Posted by dodger78:

Am I the only one who actually thinks Mark Jackson when he watches this vid?!
The way he moves, the court vision and anticipation...

Hmmm. Nope. Action Jackson did not move that well and Mark could not dunk like that. I see a taller Nash. Actually, I see a combination Nash and Kevin Johnson. I like him a lot on this highlight reel, but it is what it is...a highlight film. What are his stats? How far does his teams go into the playoffs? Is he a leader?
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4/7/2008  10:57 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by dodger78:

Am I the only one who actually thinks Mark Jackson when he watches this vid?!
The way he moves, the court vision and anticipation...

Hmmm. Nope. Action Jackson did not move that well and Mark could not dunk like that. I see a taller Nash. Actually, I see a combination Nash and Kevin Johnson. I like him a lot on this highlight reel, but it is what it is...a highlight film. What are his stats? How far does his teams go into the playoffs? Is he a leader?

He was only 17 on that vid and plays an integral part for his team in the spanish league... good competition without question!!!
He even made his debute in the league at 15!!!
Averages 11 points 5 assists in 24 min. on a good spanish team (second behind Real Madrid).
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4/7/2008  11:02 AM
Ricky Rubio has the word potential all over him. He is 18 years old and has been playing witht he pros for 3 years! And playing in the ACB league is certainly soooo much competitive than college. He average a triple double in the junior European championship and a cuadruple double in the finals hitting a midcourt 3 pointer to go for extra time.

I think he has to play at least a couple more years in Europe to consolidate his jumpshot and PG skills, but I have very little doubt that he will be an excellent PG with nice size and defense. Why? Because his coach is the same that built Pau Gasol into a monster and the same that has turn Rudy Fernandez into the best Spanish player of the moment. Definately my all time favourite coach in Spain: Aito García Reneses.
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4/7/2008  11:11 AM
Ricky Rubio Spain

Birthday:10/21/1990NBA Postion:Point GuardClass:N/AHt:6-3Wt:180Int Team:DKV JoventutHometown:Barcelona, SpainHigh School:N/A2007 Statistics
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94NBA Comparison: Pete Maravich
Strengths: This floppy-haired kids keeps getting better and better. Despite possible physical/athletic limitations, Rubio will have no trouble adjusting to the speed of NBA action because of his basketball IQ. He displays an uncanny court sense, playing three steps ahead of everyone else on the floor. He has the same sense of timing that Larry Bird had. He seems to know what’s going to happen when the ball does. However, his style of play is extremely relaxed and confident because the game comes so easily to him.

Rubio lulls the defense to sleep and then suddenly uses his speed when they defense isn’t ready, using his gear-shift very quickly. When slashing or breaking down his defender his footwork is excellent and seems so natural, and he really understands body angles making him quite “slippery.” He has years of experience getting by multiple defenders, and seems to have moves ready for when a second or third defender comes his way. He is an excellent ball handler who has perfected the behind the back dribble, which is currently his most reliable weapon when facing quicker and more athletic defenders. He can use this move when bringing the ball up the court or when getting into the lane. He is very creative and regularly makes magical plays nobody has ever seen before. His decision-making ability is on an elite level right now. He has superior court vision, and regularly whips passes one-handed cross court that are sharp and accurate. He has the ability to fake-out entire defenses to make the kinds of passes for easy baskets that only the elite players make.

Ricky likes to use his body to post up his defender on the block, and is very efficient with his moves going to the basket from this position. He also works hard to help his team on the glass because it enables him to make long passes over the top of the defense on fast breaks or to take rebounds coast-to-coast himself.

Defensively, he can be intimidating because he uses his great length, big hands, sense of timing and quick reflexes to disrupt passes and take away dribbling mistakes. He is around every loose ball, and seems to have a sense of knowing when to make big plays defensively to change the complexion of the game.

Weaknesses: Rubio will have trouble guarding point guards in the NBA. His lateral quickness is decent but not great. Against top competition, he does have some mental lapses at times. He often backs off his defender and uses his instincts to play position defense, but in the rare moments when he guesses wrong, he can get beat on simple plays like a back-door cut, or his defender will easily dribble right by him. Some of his height and vision advantage is lost when longer players guard him. He doesn’t jump at all on his jump shot and could stand to change his shooting mechanics a little. This will be a problem when playing against elite athletes.

He is a big star at a young age, and already shows signs of having a big ego. He often creates contact and then expects Lebron James-type calls from the referees, and can get frustrated when he doesn’t receive them. He has his own warm-up routine, and is often seen off on his own and not with the team, (although there are no reports of him not being a team player). The type of fame and success that he’s had at such a young means it will be that much more important for him to continue to working on his game, improve his skills and not settle for just being as talented as he is now.
Joshua Motenko - 8/20/2007

I like the write-up but the Pistol Pete comparison might be a little over the top.
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4/7/2008  11:24 AM
Well Pete Maravich was ... unique in his style of play!!! But this outstanding courvision might be something those two connect!!!
Damn I loved Pistol Petes Wristpass!!!
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4/8/2008  2:20 PM
Last night was the first time I have watched Derrick Rose in the tube and his demeanor and facial expressions reminded me a lot of Dinglebury. Is his attitude a concern? I am not at all familiar with college bball and I rely on the folks here, BRIGGS et al, and other draft sites like NBADraft.net.

Should this be a concern once Stern freezes the png pong balls?
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4/8/2008  2:23 PM
I didn't really see anything outside of a missed free throw that reminded me of stephon. If anything Rose wasn't agressive enough and tried to get his teammates involved.

He will be a lot more effective at the next level because teams aren't going to zones very often. The kid is better than any guard on our roster right now and has a sense of poise to his game. He would be a top 10 pg next year, and has all the skills to be great.
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