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Finestrg
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4/2/2008  9:26 AM
Well it looks like we're getting him. News conference today ay 1 pm. With other more qualified candidates out there (Jerry West in particular, how they settle for this w/o conducting a broad search and lengthy interview process is beyond me. And then the talk now is keeping Isiah on in some capacity??? WHAT??? Are they kidding? Another quick-fix band-aid on a gapping wound. How can we expect anything else outta these morons at this point. Whatever man...

Not trying to say Walsh isn't a professional. But this doesn't feel right to me right from the beginning. He was responsible for the Jermaine O'Neal trade and the drafting of Ron Artest right? What else? Can anyone just give me this guy's resume real quick.

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4/2/2008  9:42 AM
no the Bulls drafted Artest

Walsh's best trades:
got Jermaine Oneil for Dale Davis
got Artest, Brad Miller and Ron Mercer for Jalen Rose
drafted Al Harrington (24th)

and even though it didnt pan out he traded Antonio Davis for Jonathan Bender which shows the kind of trades he was making.. for high ceiling guys.

He put together the Rik Smitts, Dale and Antonio Davis, Mark JAckson, Jalen Rose, Reggie Miller teams that went to the ECF. Then when they got old and their ceiling clearly hit he rebuit that group into Jermain Oneil, Harrington, Bender, Artest, Miller and never missed the playoffs.

He never gave out crazy contracts (his worst was Croshere who was coming off a great playoffs)
He drafted good role players in weak drafts
He traded for younger higher ceiling guys

If not for the malice at the palace would have engineered a perenial contender in the East w/ Oneil, Artest, Miller, Harrington and Tinsley
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4/2/2008  9:46 AM
Posted by fishmike:

no the Bulls drafted Artest

Walsh's best trades:
got Jermaine Oneil for Dale Davis
got Artest, Brad Miller and Ron Mercer for Jalen Rose
drafted Al Harrington (24th)

and even though it didnt pan out he traded Antonio Davis for Jonathan Bender which shows the kind of trades he was making.. for high ceiling guys.

He put together the Rik Smitts, Dale and Antonio Davis, Mark JAckson, Jalen Rose, Reggie Miller teams that went to the ECF. Then when they got old and their ceiling clearly hit he rebuit that group into Jermain Oneil, Harrington, Bender, Artest, Miller and never missed the playoffs.

He never gave out crazy contracts (his worst was Croshere who was coming off a great playoffs)
He drafted good role players in weak drafts
He traded for younger higher ceiling guys

If not for the malice at the palace would have engineered a perenial contender in the East w/ Oneil, Artest, Miller, Harrington and Tinsley

Right, the Bulls darfted Artest. My bad. So you like the move Fish or what?
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4/2/2008  9:53 AM

Walsh is better than Isiah.

I think Walsh is on par with Collangelo. Colangelo was an owner for many many years also. Seems the suns and pacers have been contenders for a long time.

Wests best years were with the lakes when there was no cap. His signiture move was trading for Kobe and being patient.

Going forward its tought to say who would be the best choice, but Walsh is an excellent choice and I hope we have a plan and stick to it.

I don't care if its Layden, Isiah or Walsh I want the same thing: No Starphuching!!!!!! Keep it real on the court and the rest will come in line. No more saviors! No more big coach names! No more talent stacking!
Have a blueprint for the team you want and the right coach to use that type of talent!!!!! Thats how chemistry is built! Commitment!
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4/2/2008  9:57 AM
whats not to like? He's got a great track record building two successfull teams. He never gives big money to bad players. He trades for high ceiling guys. He's drafted well. He's super respected and liked around the league. No feuds, no drama and he got full control, including media, and reports ONLY to Dolan, not some MSG stooge like Mills.

He is the anti-everything thats been going on here.

Anything can happen. There is no guarentee he will succeed. Jerry West is regarded as the best exec and he accomplished nothing in Memphis, but this is a very good move.

Yes.. I like
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4/2/2008  10:04 AM
Adding Donne Walsh and completely substracting Isiah is a great move.

There are other qualified candidates out there and one could argue that they should have been interviewed but Donnie Walsh's record stands on it's own.
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4/2/2008  10:16 AM
Posted by fishmike:

no the Bulls drafted Artest

Walsh's best trades:
got Jermaine Oneil for Dale Davis
got Artest, Brad Miller and Ron Mercer for Jalen Rose
drafted Al Harrington (24th)

and even though it didnt pan out he traded Antonio Davis for Jonathan Bender which shows the kind of trades he was making.. for high ceiling guys.

He put together the Rik Smitts, Dale and Antonio Davis, Mark JAckson, Jalen Rose, Reggie Miller teams that went to the ECF. Then when they got old and their ceiling clearly hit he rebuit that group into Jermain Oneil, Harrington, Bender, Artest, Miller and never missed the playoffs.

He never gave out crazy contracts (his worst was Croshere who was coming off a great playoffs)
He drafted good role players in weak drafts
He traded for younger higher ceiling guys

If not for the malice at the palace would have engineered a perenial contender in the East w/ Oneil, Artest, Miller, Harrington and Tinsley


I agree, Walsh and pacers came very close many times. Benders health problems and harrington not developing into the star he was thougth to be out of highschool slowed them down.

Most important is at each juncture the team had a plan and saw it thru. Sh!t happens to all franchise and winning it all as we know requires a bit of luck. Pacers mostly thru drafts and good trades rather than starphuching.

If not for the Bulls the Knicks and pacers might have had a few rings. They were playoff bound for 16 straight years!

Yeah, Walsh has some good cred!
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4/2/2008  10:25 AM
the most impressive thing about DW for me is he didnt hang onto a veteran team that was still winning. He saw the league for what it was, and even though that first group still had some gas in the tank he rebuild the team. The difference is he did it when his guys still had value. Dale Davis, Antonio Davis, Jalen Rose... we valued NBA players.

I suspect if we had Walsh either Houston or Spree would have been traded after 99, and probably for a top 4 draft pick or a young high ceiling player.

You get the idea.

Nalod is 100% right, which is why I list the Bender trade as good. You cant predict injuries etc.
Walsh had a plan and made moves that were consistant. Most turned out great. A couple didnt. One of the top 5 GMs in basketball though. Hands down.
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4/2/2008  10:40 AM
Posted by fishmike:

the most impressive thing about DW for me is he didnt hang onto a veteran team that was still winning. He saw the league for what it was, and even though that first group still had some gas in the tank he rebuild the team. The difference is he did it when his guys still had value. Dale Davis, Antonio Davis, Jalen Rose... we valued NBA players.

I suspect if we had Walsh either Houston or Spree would have been traded after 99, and probably for a top 4 draft pick or a young high ceiling player.

You get the idea.

Nalod is 100% right, which is why I list the Bender trade as good. You cant predict injuries etc.
Walsh had a plan and made moves that were consistant. Most turned out great. A couple didnt. One of the top 5 GMs in basketball though. Hands down.

Exactly- while we made 1 Oakley for Camby trade he basically made a couple (especially after his frontline was embarassed by Camby in particular). Got Indy back into the hunt relatively quickly. His track record with picks after 20 is solid as well (Harrington, Tinsley, Brezec, Travis Best, JAmes Jones).

Here is his moves going back to 1995:

http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/donnie_walsh.htm
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4/2/2008  11:34 AM
Posted by fishmike:

no the Bulls drafted Artest

Walsh's best trades:
got Jermaine Oneil for Dale Davis
got Artest, Brad Miller and Ron Mercer for Jalen Rose
drafted Al Harrington (24th)

and even though it didnt pan out he traded Antonio Davis for Jonathan Bender which shows the kind of trades he was making.. for high ceiling guys.

He put together the Rik Smitts, Dale and Antonio Davis, Mark JAckson, Jalen Rose, Reggie Miller teams that went to the ECF. Then when they got old and their ceiling clearly hit he rebuit that group into Jermain Oneil, Harrington, Bender, Artest, Miller and never missed the playoffs.

He never gave out crazy contracts (his worst was Croshere who was coming off a great playoffs)
He drafted good role players in weak drafts
He traded for younger higher ceiling guys

If not for the malice at the palace would have engineered a perenial contender in the East w/ Oneil, Artest, Miller, Harrington and Tinsley

Great rundown Fish.

I think hiring Walsh is a great move, this guy knows basketball and he knows how to construct a team. Also, as Fish pointed out, Donnie has done a great job with realizing when a team has hit it's ceiling and broke those teams down and brought back some nice young players.

Let's see what kind of vision Donnie has for this team and how he can unload some of these contracts.
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4/2/2008  11:40 AM
His agenda should be pretty easy..

1:00pm press conference
1:30pm can Isiah
1:31pm relax, your half way there to fixing the Knicks

(not entirely original)
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4/2/2008  11:44 AM
Posted by fishmike:

His agenda should be pretty easy..

1:00pm press conference
1:30pm can Isiah
1:31pm relax, your half way there to fixing the Knicks

(not entirely original)

3:00pm start negotiating with Dolan to buy out your contract
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4/2/2008  11:44 AM
Posted by fishmike:

His agenda should be pretty easy..

1:00pm press conference
1:30pm can Isiah
1:31pm relax, your half way there to fixing the Knicks

(not entirely original)

Absolutely nothing would make me happier.

Wait, 1:01pm can Isiah. That would make me happier.
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4/2/2008  1:09 PM
Posted by fishmike:

His agenda should be pretty easy..

1:00pm press conference
1:30pm can Isiah
1:31pm relax, your half way there to fixing the Knicks

(not entirely original)

LOL! That's a good plan, but why wait 30 minutes?
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4/2/2008  3:02 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by fishmike:

His agenda should be pretty easy..

1:00pm press conference
1:30pm can Isiah
1:31pm relax, your half way there to fixing the Knicks

(not entirely original)

LOL! That's a good plan, but why wait 30 minutes?
30 minutes for the press conference

Isiah will be fired. He knows it, Donny knows it and Dolan knew it sitting at that podium. Walsh will have a nice conversation with Isiah, and be open about letting him go. No drama, no games, just "what I thought was the right choice"

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4/2/2008  4:53 PM
Just remember he was in Indiana, where you could rebuild and the media and fans wouldn't kill you.

Any GM in newyork has his work cut out for him trying to rebuild on the fly, rookies and young players can't handle the pressure of playing for the knicks in NYC.

We will see
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4/2/2008  5:12 PM
Donnie just said on Stephen A that the types of players he wants are professionals who want to win.

I'm liking the guy already.
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4/2/2008  5:20 PM
Posted by K22:

Donnie just said on Stephen A that the types of players he wants are professionals who want to win.

I'm liking the guy already.

It's a big difference between younger and more athletic, ain't it?
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4/2/2008  5:26 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by K22:

Donnie just said on Stephen A that the types of players he wants are professionals who want to win.

I'm liking the guy already.

It's a big difference between younger and more athletic, ain't it?


Don't you mean "youthier"?
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Younger? Don't you mean "youthier"?
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