'I would prefer to keep Isiah but you do what you have to do,'"

How exactly does that mean that Isiah is going to coach? To me it sounds more like Dolan wants Isiah fired but doesn't have the balls to do it himself and would rather someone else did.

Posted by colorfl1:

Posted by nyk4ever:

'I would prefer to keep Isiah but you do what you have to do,'"

How exactly does that mean that Isiah is going to coach? To me it sounds more like Dolan wants Isiah fired but doesn't have the balls to do it himself and would rather someone else did.

Think about it... why else wouldn't Dolan interview superior candidates???

It's not like Donnie Walsh is trash... Sure Colangelo is a better candidate but I don't think West is that superior at all. If you were rating the candidates, I'd call Colangelo an 'A' and both Jerry West and Donnie Walsh a 'B+'

Let's not pretend that Dolan is hiring a bafoon here.. Donnie Walsh is one of the most respected executives in the NBA and he wouldn't have accepted the position if he wasn't going to have things done the way he wants them.

Posted by colorfl1:


But why would he make this decision before interviewing other superior candidates...Walsh has never won a title!?

[Edited by - colorfl1 on 03-28-2008 12:37 AM]

Cmon Colorfl1, I like you man, but let's not demean what Walsh has done in his career. Sure, I wanted Colangelo to run this franchise but getting Walsh instead of Colangelo is not like we're scouring the bottom of the barrel. Walsh is a fine addition and I don't care what the reasoning is behind his hiring, all I know is that he is a man that does things his way and we'll know REAL soon whether or not he's just collecting a paycheck or he's doing things his way. I personally think it's the later.

West is way better than Walsh. In 24 years Walsh never won a title. 24 years! That's almost as long as this organization has gone without a title. Can't compare him to West. Not at all.

This is getting ridiculous. What is the point in getting up in arms about something that's not even true? The man hasn't even been hired yet and every Knicks beat writer knows what he's going to do? So now Knicks beat writers have covered the Pacers for 24 years too? All of these guys are pulling stuff out of their asses to be "first" or "right" or "poignant" instead of waiting until April 17th or acting on REAL information. Nothing but a bunch of bitches throwing **** up in the air and hoping it sticks so that they can say "I told you so" for an entire summer. Walsh's hiring doesn't equal anything. Fratello had a handshake agreement too and you see how that worked out. Where was all this Isiah love from Walsh when he let Larry fire Isiah, something Walsh himself had to sign off on?

Dolan didn't contact Colangelo or West because it'd have meant having to fire Steve Mills. If the ****ing media actually knew who to ask the right questions and paid attention, they'd realize that Walsh wants nothing to do with the business side of the Knicks, which is why he left the Pacers - he's a basketball guy who was tired of being a suit while Larry made all the basketball decisions. If Dolan hired Colangelo or West, either Jerry would want complete control - aka Steve's business responsibilities (as they pertain to the Knicks) and Isiah's basketball responsibilities. Dolan would have either had to fire Mills or completely minimize his role, and for what he's paying him to run the ENTIRE Garden (which he hasn't sucked nearly as much at), not just the Knicks, it's understandable that Dolan wouldn't want to completely start over, especially since Mills didn't become mildly retarded until he recommended hiring Isiah.

Posted by nysportsfan11:

This is getting ridiculous. What is the point in getting up in arms about something that's not even true?

Exactly. As I alluded to in another thread as of now there's 3-4 stories/theories floating around about Walsh and what his job title(s) would be in New York and if he'd even accept the offer come the end of the season to work here. Same goes for Isiah there's 3-4 different stories/theories floating around as to what his job status will be next season (gm? coach? neither? fired?)

So in that all these articles are now completely useless gibberish. These writers do nothing more than what we do on this MB - and that's speculate as to what may or may not happen. In that they are useless to read. There will not be one shred of fact in any paper until after the season - UNLESS - the Pacers were to tell Walsh "you know what, theres 2 weeks left, no mind just do what you gotta do and good luck" followed by Dolan announcing that Walsh has been hired.

Even then? We won't know Walsh's intentions on Isiah only Walsh's titles and power in the Knicks ORG.


Media = as useless as it's ever been. That's kinda funny actually watching them all contradict each other with their own opinions as they try to pass them off as fact.

It's not funny watching Knick fans go insane on either side of the spectrum depending on what article they happen to read.

Just ignore it all...it's utterly useless.

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by nysportsfan11:

This is getting ridiculous. What is the point in getting up in arms about something that's not even true?

Exactly. As I alluded to in another thread as of now there's 3-4 stories/theories floating around about Walsh and what his job title(s) would be in New York and if he'd even accept the offer come the end of the season to work here. Same goes for Isiah there's 3-4 different stories/theories floating around as to what his job status will be next season (gm? coach? neither? fired?)

So in that all these articles are now completely useless gibberish. These writers do nothing more than what we do on this MB - and that's speculate as to what may or may not happen. In that they are useless to read. There will not be one shred of fact in any paper until after the season - UNLESS - the Pacers were to tell Walsh "you know what, theres 2 weeks left, no mind just do what you gotta do and good luck" followed by Dolan announcing that Walsh has been hired.

Even then? We won't know Walsh's intentions on Isiah only Walsh's titles and power in the Knicks ORG.


Media = as useless as it's ever been. That's kinda funny actually watching them all contradict each other with their own opinions as they try to pass them off as fact.

It's not funny watching Knick fans go insane on either side of the spectrum depending on what article they happen to read.

Just ignore it all...it's utterly useless.

Which is why I posted the Vecsey thread. Everything he said on NBATV is being played out.


I'll go ahead and add other thoughts aside from nysportsfan11 as to why I think Dolan didn't interview West or Colangelo yet. For starters both individuals have no ties to any basketball franchise right now. While Walsh is free to leave the Pacers he currently is working for them and gave his word on finishing out his job with them. The other two if they were to be interviewed they literally could start/accept the job effective immediately, which inevitably would mean a firing of I SAY UGH. Next Dolan stated last yr in order to consider West he would have to have I SAY UGH'S blessing. Has I SAY UGH given Dolan a green light to have someone replace him or work over him or assist him?... besides Grunwald who nothing more than an I SAY UGH hire. No! So if Dolan were to interview West he would go back on what he said within a yr, which again would be an indictment not only on himself but on the dual role employee. In Colangelo's situation it's all about save face. Stern recommended Colangelo a while ago and what did Dolan do, he turned his nose up at the idea. Does anyone really expect Dolan to come crawling back to Stern's recommendation? I think Not! Lastly I believe Walsh was considered as a first choice is because if it gets down to firing I SAY UGH Dolan won't have to be the one to do it, it'll fall on Walsh's shoulder. Notice the names we're hearing Walsh, Kiki, King 3 guys who would pose no threat to Dolan or Mills.


The media is guessing as Vecsey and nysportsfan11 said they would, were, and are doing.

Posted by TrueBlue:


Which is why I posted the Vecsey thread. Everything he said on NBATV is being played out.


I'll go ahead and add other thoughts aside from nysportsfan11 as to why I think Dolan didn't interview West or Colangelo yet. For starters both individuals have no ties to any basketball franchise right now. While Walsh is free to leave the Pacers he currently is working for them and gave his word on finishing out his job with them. The other two if they were to be interviewed they literally could start/accept the job effective immediately, which inevitably would mean a firing of I SAY UGH. Next Dolan stated last yr in order to consider West he would have to have I SAY UGH'S blessing. Has I SAY UGH given Dolan a green light to have someone replace him or work over him or assist him?... besides Grunwald who nothing more than an I SAY UGH hire. No! So if Dolan were to interview West he would go back on what he said within a yr, which again would be an indictment not only on himself but on the dual role employee. In Colangelo's situation it's all about save face. Stern recommended Colangelo a while ago and what did Dolan do, he turned his nose up at the idea. Does anyone really expect Dolan to come crawling back to Stern's recommendation? I think Not! Lastly I believe Walsh was considered as a first choice is because if it gets down to firing I SAY UGH Dolan won't have to be the one to do it, it'll fall on Walsh's shoulder. Notice the names we're hearing Walsh, Kiki, King 3 guys who would pose no threat to Dolan or Mills.


The media is guessing as Vecsey and nysportsfan11 said they would, were, and are doing.

Seems like a logical chain of events to me. If Walsh does come on board we all still have to worry as to whether or not Isiah ok'd the move and that he and Walsh would actually work together. If they do then well...get ready for another round of trying to fix this disaster with a trade or two.