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metra
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3/26/2008  12:45 PM
Outside picks 1 & 2, none of these players seem to fit our needs. These guys don't seem to be superstars so maybe we should draft based on need. But the value we can get at pick 5 we can also get in the early teens.

So can someone tell me why we don't trade this pick?
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3/26/2008  12:47 PM
Posted by metra:

Outside picks 1 & 2, none of these players seem to fit our needs. These guys don't seem to be superstars so maybe we should draft based on need. But the value we can get at pick 5 we can also get in the early teens.

So can someone tell me why we don't trade this pick?

Maybe the pick will be traded.
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3/26/2008  12:50 PM
Posted by metra:

Outside picks 1 & 2, none of these players seem to fit our needs. These guys don't seem to be superstars so maybe we should draft based on need. But the value we can get at pick 5 we can also get in the early teens.

So can someone tell me why we don't trade this pick?

I actually agree. I'm not of the assumption that the Knicks aren't trading the pick, though. I think the problem comes in that we desperately need stars, so my question in any trade is what kind of trade would you like? Me, personally, I'm only interested in a trade that gives us a better shot at a young franchise-ceiling player who has a legitimate at being a core piece for 10 years, and/or massive cap reduction.

My fear is that the Knicks will trade the pick, add another $20 million per season in salary, give up some future youth and wind up with an overrated player who will be exposed in NY. Based on past history, keeping the pick may be the safer option, even if it a far cry from the player that will put us anywhere close to over the top.

[Edited by - Solace on Mar 26 2008 12:50 PM]
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3/26/2008  12:55 PM
Posted by metra:

Outside picks 1 & 2, none of these players seem to fit our needs. These guys don't seem to be superstars so maybe we should draft based on need. But the value we can get at pick 5 we can also get in the early teens.

So can someone tell me why we don't trade this pick?

I don't believe that is true--no possible superstars after 2 and it really follows the course the team has been on. I think Isiah Thomas said he wouldve rather had Curry than anyone in the draft? How did that workout? I do think our scouting system has been mediocre--no real plan no true starter the only lottery pick we had is gone after two years--bvut there sure were a lot of great and good basketball players we missed out on. This mentality has to stop--there is no KG coming to the Knicks and risking 100+mm on Elton brand is stupid.
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3/26/2008  12:56 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by metra:

Outside picks 1 & 2, none of these players seem to fit our needs. These guys don't seem to be superstars so maybe we should draft based on need. But the value we can get at pick 5 we can also get in the early teens.

So can someone tell me why we don't trade this pick?

I actually agree. I'm not of the assumption that the Knicks aren't trading the pick, though. I think the problem comes in that we desperately need stars, so my question in any trade is what kind of trade would you like? Me, personally, I'm only interested in a trade that gives us a better shot at a young franchise-ceiling player who has a legitimate at being a core piece for 10 years, and/or massive cap reduction.

My fear is that the Knicks will trade the pick, add another $20 million per season in salary, give up some future youth and wind up with an overrated player who will be exposed in NY. Based on past history, keeping the pick may be the safer option, even if it a far cry from the player that will put us anywhere close to over the top.

[Edited by - Solace on Mar 26 2008 12:50 PM]


Like our pick(5) & Marbury for O'neal and Pacers pick(10). O'neal receives a 3yr/$45mil extension from us WRAP IT UP!

We need Walsh here as not now but RIGHT NOW!. Seriously the ink should dry before the clock says 00:00 last game of the season.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-26-2008 11:58 AM]
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3/26/2008  1:00 PM
Hopefully Donnie Walsh will know how to trade the pick.

I completely agree that we need to build off of a franchise player right now. But unless we get Beasley or Rose that's not happening. So either we trade up (which is unlikely) or we should just trade the #5 for an up and coming youngster who has got the right attitude.

Boston did successfully transform their team from best to worst but hoping that a blockbuster trade will do the same for the Knicks is a pipe dream right now. We just have too much negative locker room influence. First we need to get rid of all those guys and I doubt a single trade can do that.
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3/26/2008  1:01 PM
if we are pick five- can we move the pick and lee to move up to 1 or 2? Doubtful. But, I think that is the kind of move that makes sense.
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by metra:

Outside picks 1 & 2, none of these players seem to fit our needs. These guys don't seem to be superstars so maybe we should draft based on need. But the value we can get at pick 5 we can also get in the early teens.

So can someone tell me why we don't trade this pick?

I don't believe that is true--no possible superstars after 2 and it really follows the course the team has been on. I think Isiah Thomas said he wouldve rather had Curry than anyone in the draft? How did that workout? I do think our scouting system has been mediocre--no real plan no true starter the only lottery pick we had is gone after two years--bvut there sure were a lot of great and good basketball players we missed out on. This mentality has to stop--there is no KG coming to the Knicks and risking 100+mm on Elton brand is stupid.

I've said this before - unlike the salary cap, there should be no limit a team can spend on scouting. We should be spending $10MM a year on scouting - no reason we shouldn't have the most robust database on every high school kid and every european player from 16 years and up. The next Tony Parker, Ginobili- whatever sleeper pick is out there- we should know about and have more info on than any other organization.

That $10MM would pay a lot greater dividends that any salary we could spend.
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3/26/2008  1:05 PM
Either way, the higher or pick is, the more flexibility we will have to do whatever it is we want to do.
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3/26/2008  1:06 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by metra:

Outside picks 1 & 2, none of these players seem to fit our needs. These guys don't seem to be superstars so maybe we should draft based on need. But the value we can get at pick 5 we can also get in the early teens.

So can someone tell me why we don't trade this pick?

I actually agree. I'm not of the assumption that the Knicks aren't trading the pick, though. I think the problem comes in that we desperately need stars, so my question in any trade is what kind of trade would you like? Me, personally, I'm only interested in a trade that gives us a better shot at a young franchise-ceiling player who has a legitimate at being a core piece for 10 years, and/or massive cap reduction.

My fear is that the Knicks will trade the pick, add another $20 million per season in salary, give up some future youth and wind up with an overrated player who will be exposed in NY. Based on past history, keeping the pick may be the safer option, even if it a far cry from the player that will put us anywhere close to over the top.

[Edited by - Solace on Mar 26 2008 12:50 PM]


Like our pick(5) & Marbury for O'neal and Pacers pick(10). O'neal receives a 3yr/$45mil extension from us WRAP IT UP!

We need Walsh here as not now but RIGHT NOW!. Seriously the ink should dry before the clock says 00:00 last game of the season.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-26-2008 11:58 AM]

Why would you give a guy 15mm per year who has missed 132 games over the last 4 years[that is an average of half a season] in combination with dwindling stats--who has a chronic knee problem? Is that you Isiah?
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To clarify, I just don't like our position in the draft. It's full of SG's trying to be PG's. We've already got that. For us to draft another psuedo PG we need to find out what to do with the ones on our roster right now (Craw, Nate).

I'm all for drafting a pure PG, SF, PF, or C. Just not a SG turned PG - and that's the BPA at our spot.
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3/26/2008  1:08 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by metra:

Outside picks 1 & 2, none of these players seem to fit our needs. These guys don't seem to be superstars so maybe we should draft based on need. But the value we can get at pick 5 we can also get in the early teens.

So can someone tell me why we don't trade this pick?

I actually agree. I'm not of the assumption that the Knicks aren't trading the pick, though. I think the problem comes in that we desperately need stars, so my question in any trade is what kind of trade would you like? Me, personally, I'm only interested in a trade that gives us a better shot at a young franchise-ceiling player who has a legitimate at being a core piece for 10 years, and/or massive cap reduction.

My fear is that the Knicks will trade the pick, add another $20 million per season in salary, give up some future youth and wind up with an overrated player who will be exposed in NY. Based on past history, keeping the pick may be the safer option, even if it a far cry from the player that will put us anywhere close to over the top.

[Edited by - Solace on Mar 26 2008 12:50 PM]


Like our pick(5) & Marbury for O'neal and Pacers pick(10). O'neal receives a 3yr/$45mil extension from us WRAP IT UP!

We need Walsh here as not now but RIGHT NOW!. Seriously the ink should dry before the clock says 00:00 last game of the season.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-26-2008 11:58 AM]

Why would you give a guy 15mm per year who has missed 132 games over the last 4 years[that is an average of half a season] in combination with dwindling stats--who has a chronic knee problem? Is that you Isiah?


I was being sarcastic and giving an example of a typical move I SAY UGH would pull off if he still in charge by then. Hence why I sad we need Donnie here A.S.A.P.
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3/26/2008  1:14 PM
Posted by metra:

To clarify, I just don't like our position in the draft. It's full of SG's trying to be PG's. We've already got that. For us to draft another psuedo PG we need to find out what to do with the ones on our roster right now (Craw, Nate).

I'm all for drafting a pure PG, SF, PF, or C. Just not a SG turned PG - and that's the BPA at our spot.

I agree with you on the small guards. I do not agree with your sentiment about BPA. there are a few really good unusally gifted big athletic players who are underdevloped physically YET have produced and shown big numbers and potential. I think in that class are Mcgee Griffin Randolph and Lopez. If the goal is somehow try to get to the playoffs next year no matter what--that hasnt worked out. We need to build pieces that fit together and make sense for our team. I remember bynum was slated to go late first round a day before the draft and went 10 and look at him now sans injury. It's teasm like the Lakers who can see the potential and arent afriad to go forit. Whether I pick 4 or 10--no matter--I dont care if I take someone who is perceived as a late lottery or reach---that's absurd.
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3/26/2008  1:15 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by metra:

Outside picks 1 & 2, none of these players seem to fit our needs. These guys don't seem to be superstars so maybe we should draft based on need. But the value we can get at pick 5 we can also get in the early teens.

So can someone tell me why we don't trade this pick?

I actually agree. I'm not of the assumption that the Knicks aren't trading the pick, though. I think the problem comes in that we desperately need stars, so my question in any trade is what kind of trade would you like? Me, personally, I'm only interested in a trade that gives us a better shot at a young franchise-ceiling player who has a legitimate at being a core piece for 10 years, and/or massive cap reduction.

My fear is that the Knicks will trade the pick, add another $20 million per season in salary, give up some future youth and wind up with an overrated player who will be exposed in NY. Based on past history, keeping the pick may be the safer option, even if it a far cry from the player that will put us anywhere close to over the top.

[Edited by - Solace on Mar 26 2008 12:50 PM]


Like our pick(5) & Marbury for O'neal and Pacers pick(10). O'neal receives a 3yr/$45mil extension from us WRAP IT UP!

We need Walsh here as not now but RIGHT NOW!. Seriously the ink should dry before the clock says 00:00 last game of the season.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-26-2008 11:58 AM]

Why would you give a guy 15mm per year who has missed 132 games over the last 4 years[that is an average of half a season] in combination with dwindling stats--who has a chronic knee problem? Is that you Isiah?


I was being sarcastic and giving an example of a typical move I SAY UGH would pull off if he still in charge by then. Hence why I sad we need Donnie here A.S.A.P.

Well than excellent point
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3/26/2008  1:17 PM
you look at ALL of Walsh's trades and he's never really made a bad one. He's always been smart and I trust him to make the right choice.

Metra.. as for our team 'needs'

We are on a par with the worst teams in the NBA. What DONT we need?

We need to rebuild this team with a core of real young talent. Walsh will use garden money to rebuild. Not rephuck
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3/26/2008  1:18 PM
fishmike is such a homer.
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3/26/2008  1:20 PM
fans should be excited that donnie walsh will be spending dolan's money and not isiah. the situation is only going to get better. don't know how much better, but it will get better. the #1 priority is to make the playoffs next year.
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Posted by djsunyc:

fans should be excited that donnie walsh will be spending dolan's money and not isiah. the situation is only going to get better. don't know how much better, but it will get better. the #1 priority is to make the playoffs next year.

Right. It'll be great to have Walsh spending the money. So long as Dolan's strategy stays the same.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 03-26-2008 13:25]
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3/26/2008  1:28 PM
Posted by fishmike:

you look at ALL of Walsh's trades and he's never really made a bad one. He's always been smart and I trust him to make the right choice.

Metra.. as for our team 'needs'

We are on a par with the worst teams in the NBA. What DONT we need?

We need to rebuild this team with a core of real young talent. Walsh will use garden money to rebuild. Not rephuck

I'm not talking in Isiahspeak. I'm talking like a sensible person, where the word trade does not mean starphuck. Trade means make the team better & more cohesive, not selling out for overpaid players and throwing chemistry out the window.

So when I looked at our situation with pick 5, a lot of the players I saw were small SGs. That didn't seem like a good position to be in since the only thing we've got are decent SGs trying to be PGs. If there is a legit player we can use at that spot (C like Lopez or PF like Griffin or SF like Gallinari) then by all means go ahead and take him.

But if these guys aren't what they're hyped up to be then we should consider trading a pick for someone else around the league. And if we like a player that we can have with pick #15 then why not trade down?

[Edited by - metra on 03-26-2008 1:29 PM]
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3/26/2008  1:41 PM
what about this trade down and select Donte Green???
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