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Cosmic
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3/19/2008  12:14 PM
Quoting Pacers president/CEO Donnie Walsh: ”I think Jamal's going to be a terrific player, I really do. He's figuring it out now. It looks to me he's trying to play the right way. He's not racing down the court and firing shots up. He's trying to play within the offense. It takes a player a year to adjust unless they walk into a ready-made team and it's not.”


And here ends my respect for Donnie Walsh.

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3/19/2008  12:17 PM
I honestly think that if Jamal had spent 4 years under LB you would see a much better player. This guy has just never been coached.
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3/19/2008  12:17 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Quoting Pacers president/CEO Donnie Walsh: ”I think Jamal's going to be a terrific player, I really do. He's figuring it out now. It looks to me he's trying to play the right way. He's not racing down the court and firing shots up. He's trying to play within the offense. It takes a player a year to adjust unless they walk into a ready-made team and it's not.”


And here ends my respect for Donnie Walsh.

You've got to cut some slack to Jamal - it usually takes guys about 8 or 10 seasons before they figure basic stuff out
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3/19/2008  12:21 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Quoting Pacers president/CEO Donnie Walsh: ”I think Jamal's going to be a terrific player, I really do. He's figuring it out now. It looks to me he's trying to play the right way. He's not racing down the court and firing shots up. He's trying to play within the offense. It takes a player a year to adjust unless they walk into a ready-made team and it's not.”


And here ends my respect for Donnie Walsh.

Unbelievable I hope he's saying this to talk him up and trade him. Jamal is 28 yrs old tomorrow he won't be giving us any worthwhile yrs of winning basketball. Trade him while his stock may not be any higher.
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3/19/2008  12:23 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Quoting Pacers president/CEO Donnie Walsh: ”I think Jamal's going to be a terrific player, I really do. He's figuring it out now. It looks to me he's trying to play the right way. He's not racing down the court and firing shots up. He's trying to play within the offense. It takes a player a year to adjust unless they walk into a ready-made team and it's not.”


And here ends my respect for Donnie Walsh.

Apparently, Walsh hasn't been paying attention. Craw is still up to his one-on-one-break-his-man-down-tactics. Craw still runs off screens, catches then puts the ball on the floor totally rendering the screen useless.

I dont mind Craw remaining here...but as a sixth man off the bench a la Jason Terry.
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3/19/2008  12:24 PM
I think jamal has an appealing personality and behind those wild shots is a guy who can score with the best of them, and when hot is as explosive as it gets.... I think he would be a good 6th man...
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3/19/2008  12:25 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I honestly think that if Jamal had spent 4 years under LB you would see a much better player. This guy has just never been coached.

I agree. If Jamal was used as a 6th man for 20-25 minutes, forced to play defense regardless of foul worries, restrained from doing any more and-1-balling tricks, forced to drive the lane instead of firing up 18-30 foot fadeaways, he could be a useful bench player.

Unfortunately........



*****And as BigBeast pointed out - what the hell has Walsh been watching? LOL?

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3/19/2008  12:26 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I honestly think that if Jamal had spent 4 years under LB you would see a much better player. This guy has just never been coached.

I agree. Even during the Larry Brown year, he was the one player who was trying to take to his coaching.

I'd like to see him get the coaching that he needs and be put in a role that he can succeed in. Like sixth man.
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3/19/2008  12:26 PM
Jamal needs a leash a very tight tight leash in order to contribute positively to a good team.
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3/19/2008  12:33 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:

I honestly think that if Jamal had spent 4 years under LB you would see a much better player. This guy has just never been coached.

I agree. Even during the Larry Brown year, he was the one player who was trying to take to his coaching.

I'd like to see him get the coaching that he needs and be put in a role that he can succeed in. Like sixth man.


I want players where the correct things come more natural to them(coaching playing the right way no matter who's here) instead of having to pull out all forms of tailoring to the player. It's as if we need 12 different coaches to cater to each players shortcomings. Forget that! And if Jamal, Lee, Nate, and Balkman get another mulligan yr how are we going to get rid of the other players?
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3/19/2008  12:37 PM
Posted by tkf:

I think jamal has an appealing personality and behind those wild shots is a guy who can score with the best of them, and when hot is as explosive as it gets.... I think he would be a good 6th man...

He's a good kid, he has a good family behind him, he has all the tools required.

Just has never had proper leadership or a proper mindset. Can that change? Eh, after 8 full seasons in the NBA, a 1/3rd of a season of college (he was suspended for most of it for taking money), and some random HS year? I don't really know if he can change.

Remember early in the year when the refs were all over him for carrying the ball? Remember how terrible he was even for HIM?

I just don't know. That window is just about closed but because of his personality if he gets the right guy to kick him in the ass every time he does wrong? Maybe he can change - but only - to like I suggest, a 25mpg bench guy.

His chance to be a starter and a star in this league on a winning team is really just about clearly done for.
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3/19/2008  12:47 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:

I honestly think that if Jamal had spent 4 years under LB you would see a much better player. This guy has just never been coached.

I agree. Even during the Larry Brown year, he was the one player who was trying to take to his coaching.

I'd like to see him get the coaching that he needs and be put in a role that he can succeed in. Like sixth man.


I want players where the correct things come more natural to them(coaching playing the right way no matter who's here) instead of having to pull out all forms of tailoring to the player. It's as if we need 12 different coaches to cater to each players shortcomings. Forget that! And if Jamal, Lee, Nate, and Balkman get another mulligan yr how are we going to get rid of the other players?

We would all like that TrueBlue but most coaches know that this is an impossibility. Jamal is a guy that came out early and needed to be coached. He never was and his career has paid the price. He's not a bad guy, just never had someone show him how to play. Call him the victim of coming out too soon and the era of flash over substance. Whatever you call it, it may be too late for him. Years ago he would have been forced to earn his spot on a roster by supplementing his scoring with D and intelligent play. Unfortunately his generation was given everything as long as they look pretty playing.

As for the rest of your ranting about 12 coaches and mulligans I have absolutely no clue where that comes from in response to mine and Isles post. We said nothing of giving the guy mulligans, just stated he may have been a different player if he had the proper coaching.
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3/19/2008  1:05 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:

I honestly think that if Jamal had spent 4 years under LB you would see a much better player. This guy has just never been coached.

I agree. Even during the Larry Brown year, he was the one player who was trying to take to his coaching.

I'd like to see him get the coaching that he needs and be put in a role that he can succeed in. Like sixth man.


I want players where the correct things come more natural to them(coaching playing the right way no matter who's here) instead of having to pull out all forms of tailoring to the player. It's as if we need 12 different coaches to cater to each players shortcomings. Forget that! And if Jamal, Lee, Nate, and Balkman get another mulligan yr how are we going to get rid of the other players?

We would all like that TrueBlue but most coaches know that this is an impossibility. Jamal is a guy that came out early and needed to be coached. He never was and his career has paid the price. He's not a bad guy, just never had someone show him how to play. Call him the victim of coming out too soon and the era of flash over substance. Whatever you call it, it may be too late for him. Years ago he would have been forced to earn his spot on a roster by supplementing his scoring with D and intelligent play. Unfortunately his generation was given everything as long as they look pretty playing.

As for the rest of your ranting about 12 coaches and mulligans I have absolutely no clue where that comes from in response to mine and Isles post. We said nothing of giving the guy mulligans, just stated he may have been a different player if he had the proper coaching.


I'm not trying to pigeon hole you two as if that's what you were saying. I went to the extreme. I'm tired of the hula-hoops we have to jump through to get through to a player(s)
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3/19/2008  1:16 PM
This season I started to like Crawford more. I think he has matured as a player and has a better mentality. I do believe he can be a serviceable player in the correct situation.
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3/19/2008  1:28 PM
Anyone have Jamal's averages when he plays 20-25min/gm?

Because to my knowledge he tends to be productive when he's logging a ton of minutes and when he's a go to guy.
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3/19/2008  1:33 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Anyone have Jamal's averages when he plays 20-25min/gm?

Because to my knowledge he tends to be productive when he's logging a ton of minutes and when he's a go to guy.

I think most players will be less efficient with less minutes. That wasn't the entire point of what most were saying though. Better coaching and direction...sixth man role.
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3/19/2008  1:44 PM
I wouldn't judge his opinion of certain players until he's hired. If he's saying that after having a chance to evaluate Crawford through the lens of Knicks President and not an opponent's CEO, then cringe. A lot of Knicks have that tag of "he'd be good in a different system/different coach/different environment" among people around the NBA. Donnie didn't specify a role for Crawford, he just went out of his way to compliment him. As an intelligent, hard working, personable guy, Crawford has many fans around the NBA. They mostly feel he just hasn't had a chance to play for a real coach for any length of time or in a winning environment. Granted, some of that is self inflicted, but the view on him is much different than say Curry or Marbury. Jamal's in that boat with Nate and David as players who have reputations that a lot on the outside looking in see as a potentially solid contributors if they were in the right place at the right time. I personally don't like his game at all, but unlike most on the team, I respect the fact that he tries and has been trying since Day 1 instead of cashing a check and giving up.
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3/19/2008  2:00 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Quoting Pacers president/CEO Donnie Walsh: ”I think Jamal's going to be a terrific player, I really do. He's figuring it out now. It looks to me he's trying to play the right way. He's not racing down the court and firing shots up. He's trying to play within the offense. It takes a player a year to adjust unless they walk into a ready-made team and it's not.”


And here ends my respect for Donnie Walsh.

Of all the vets, Craw is probably the only one I'd keep with our young guys in their developement. At least he scores points and isn't really that bad in other parts of his game. I know it's not much, but he's had some great games for us, despite our situation and for what it's worth.

The rest of these losers can go to hell.
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3/19/2008  2:05 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Anyone have Jamal's averages when he plays 20-25min/gm?

Because to my knowledge he tends to be productive when he's logging a ton of minutes and when he's a go to guy.


Do you think its possible for Jamal to put up 25 shots in 25 minutes on a nightly basis?
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3/19/2008  2:09 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I honestly think that if Jamal had spent 4 years under LB you would see a much better player. This guy has just never been coached.

I honestly think that if Brown coached for four years, you'd see a completely different team, making the playoffs. Because we would have first seen him clean house. It's obvious that it wasn't Brown's coaching that was bad. it was these lousy vets that isiah put together. And with Brown having only one season to make it work, well' we know what happened.

Brown's a discipline and starbury had a huge problem with being disciplined. But isaih had his back. And Curry's back. And isiah had isiah's back as GM to coach. And dolan had isiah's back. And Charles has jimmy's back. And the stock holders have Charles back and for some strange reason, people feed the stock holders, by buying ticket after ticekt to go watch these lousy ass games and so on and so on. And here's something even stranger by the fans: to yell out 'fire isiah' 'fire isiah' 'fire isiah'! Talk about a catch twenty-two. Go figure.
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