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BRIGGS
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3/19/2008  12:43 AM
He is really playing well right now. I kind of thought he would be a divisive sort of player if we acquired him. His play, however is too tempting to ignore. From what I have seen--we really only have back up players at the 3 spot--Ron Artest would give us a true pure 3 who is capable of guarding other big time 3s as well. Except for Beasley I do not think there will be one SERIOUS impact type player NEXT year--I do think there are serious impact players in the draft. I think it may be in our best interest to attempt to offer Ron the FULL upfront MLE package.
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3/19/2008  4:12 AM
if we land Rose w/the lottery pick, sign up Artest to the MLE, & make a trade for a shotblocking frontcourt defensive player, that fills all our major & most immediate needs... nowhere near a title contender, but you at least achieve some sort of team balance that we didn't have before... i think we've discussed this many times earlier in the season & you weren't on board w/the idea of going after Artest at first... after the much opposed Zach trade i figured going after Artest was the logical move, since it was obvious Isiah had no plans to rebuild at the beginning of the season... asking price may have been too high at the time but the Kings have no more leverage after the season's over & we can sign him up w/o having to give up a guy like Lee... a lot of people think it would be a starphuch acquisition... IMO on a MLE type contract i don't see how u can call it that... to get a player of Artest's talent & ability at those dollars would be a steal... the nonsensical idiotic moves are signing up career scrubs like Turd James & Jared Fishlips to full MLE type contracts... Artest is actually good.
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3/19/2008  6:44 AM
More starphucking. It's fool's gold.
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3/19/2008  11:07 AM
I like Artest just not in this situation. I think he can help us win games but for us that can't be priority. OUr priority is starting a new culture. A new culture that I'm not sure Artest fits into. I personally wouldn't throw a fit if he was brought her because at least he can teach the young guys some defensive lessons and has the ability at times to show leadership. But in NY we can't risk another circus. IT will set us back years
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3/19/2008  11:51 AM
i'd rather target pietrus with the MLE
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3/19/2008  11:55 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

More starphucking. It's fool's gold.

Time to unfurl our Kenny Thomas banners and kiss our pick and expirings goodbye!



(oh god, please, fire isiah before something like that actually happens!!! artest isnt signing an mle when he's never gotten 'paid'.)
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3/19/2008  12:10 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I like Artest just not in this situation. I think he can help us win games but for us that can't be priority. OUr priority is starting a new culture. A new culture that I'm not sure Artest fits into. I personally wouldn't throw a fit if he was brought her because at least he can teach the young guys some defensive lessons and has the ability at times to show leadership. But in NY we can't risk another circus. IT will set us back years

I'm more concerned with when Mt. St. Ron-Ron erupts again. The guy is a walking volcano.
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3/19/2008  12:12 PM
he still does stupid things on the court- was watching the other day and when he didn't get a call, he basically committed a foul after the play- its up there with Zach and Marbs not playing defense cause they didn't get the call.

He's talented, but a head case- just like Zach & Marbury.

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3/19/2008  12:53 PM
I thought that as well but if we equate production vs risk/cost--there is nobody else close. Ron Artest is playing dominant type basketball in the west and he's playing a team game. I like watching the Kings and have noticed how well Ron has adapted to a team game compared to years past. he dopes not dominate the ball--he rarely has gone 3-17--he's playing aweome on both sides of the ball. The deal is I doubt teams will ante up more than a full MLE for him. Even if I get beasley I would take Ron--I would put Beasley at 4 Ron at 3 and see if I can trade Lee for a high lottery pick to grab Mcgee.
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3/19/2008  1:02 PM
I love this starphucking concept. Does anyone that makes claims like this watch basketball. Ron Artest is one of the best ****ing players in the nba and might be attainable for the midlevel or eddy curry. I can't understand why people are against this. This is actually low risk, high reward. It's not a typical Knick move, the guy changes your entire team dynamic.

Ron Artest, Kyle Lowry, a good draft pick, a good head coach thats a great start. At this point it's time to get rid of crawford there is a contender out there that needs a third guard and he would be a great option, especially out in the west. Pietrus i have alway liked and think he just needs the right system but i doubt that we are it. Zach/Lee needs to be our frontcourt, Balkman needs minutes, Nate needs minutes, maybe we can do an eddy curry/mardy collins for darko/lowry which solves two needs...and lets not compare one of the three best defensive players in all of basketball to marbury or zach its just plain stupid. And lets remember its the east
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3/19/2008  2:39 PM
BRIGGS, i think a couple weeks ago u made a comment that "fans like me" would applaud a move like this.
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3/19/2008  2:41 PM
Posted by franco12:

he still does stupid things on the court- was watching the other day and when he didn't get a call, he basically committed a foul after the play- its up there with Zach and Marbs not playing defense cause they didn't get the call.

He's talented, but a head case- just like Zach & Marbury.

I was sleeping, but I perked right up when I heard this. He sounds perfect for our team. Isiah - get it done!
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3/19/2008  2:49 PM
Posted by TMS:

BRIGGS, i think a couple weeks ago u made a comment that "fans like me" would applaud a move like this.
If we acquire the Ron Artest I have witnessed playing great team ball on both sides the past month for the MLE--you are not only getting great risk/reward value but Ron is an NBA impact player. We don't have one impact player.
The big difference with *starphucking* is the price--as in Jalen Rose Steve Francis Stephon Marbury Zach Randolp with massive maximum long term contracts
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3/19/2008  2:52 PM
wait, so you're telling me a total headcase is playing great basketball right before he becomes a free agent? when has that ever happened before in the history of the NBA? you would think more players would play really well before their free agency year so that they could get big contracts!

anyway, i doubt Donnie Walsh would want Artest back here - he saw his behavior in Indiana.
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3/19/2008  4:06 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

wait, so you're telling me a total headcase is playing great basketball right before he becomes a free agent? when has that ever happened before in the history of the NBA? you would think more players would play really well before their free agency year so that they could get big contracts!

anyway, i doubt Donnie Walsh would want Artest back here - he saw his behavior in Indiana.

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3/19/2008  4:14 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

He is really playing well right now. I kind of thought he would be a divisive sort of player if we acquired him. His play, however is too tempting to ignore. From what I have seen--we really only have back up players at the 3 spot--Ron Artest would give us a true pure 3 who is capable of guarding other big time 3s as well. Except for Beasley I do not think there will be one SERIOUS impact type player NEXT year--I do think there are serious impact players in the draft. I think it may be in our best interest to attempt to offer Ron the FULL upfront MLE package.

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btw; you will never get Ron-Ron at the mid-level... it will require a sign & trade.
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3/19/2008  5:29 PM
Posted by MS:

I love this starphucking concept. Does anyone that makes claims like this watch basketball. Ron Artest is one of the best ****ing players in the nba and might be attainable for the midlevel or eddy curry. I can't understand why people are against this. This is actually low risk, high reward. It's not a typical Knick move, the guy changes your entire team dynamic.

Ron Artest, Kyle Lowry, a good draft pick, a good head coach thats a great start. At this point it's time to get rid of crawford there is a contender out there that needs a third guard and he would be a great option, especially out in the west. Pietrus i have alway liked and think he just needs the right system but i doubt that we are it. Zach/Lee needs to be our frontcourt, Balkman needs minutes, Nate needs minutes, maybe we can do an eddy curry/mardy collins for darko/lowry which solves two needs...and lets not compare one of the three best defensive players in all of basketball to marbury or zach its just plain stupid. And lets remember its the east

Artest might be one of the best defensive players in the league and is an NBA Impact player, but

HE IS A HEAD CASE.

He might be better than his days of charging into the stands and wanting to take time off to promote his CD

Adding Artest to this squad would be like using a band aid on an amputated limb. Might seem like it would help, but its too little too late. Artest is 28- he's at his prime. Physically/athletically, its downhill from this point forward. We need appreciating assets, not depreciating assets.

So we add artest and what happens? We're going to be better than the kings? Ok, out east, maybe. So we squeak into the 7th or 8th seed.

Exit after one round.

And how do we get better from that? What great player are we taking with a mid round pick?

Doesn't anyone around here want to win a championship?
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3/19/2008  6:10 PM
We are going to have to give our picks to the jazz anyway. We are ****ed thanks to isiahs genius trade for zach, so if we can get one of the 15 best players in the nba on the team, and add some solid young kids you're getting them playoff experience. Its not a lateral move, lateral moves are jj1 jj2, bull**** moves.....
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3/19/2008  6:19 PM
He is an impact player but Isiah has never wanted to take the risk of acquiring him. He could not control him in Indiana where there was a degree of professionalism. He knew that he could not control him in NY.
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3/19/2008  9:51 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by MS:

I love this starphucking concept. Does anyone that makes claims like this watch basketball. Ron Artest is one of the best ****ing players in the nba and might be attainable for the midlevel or eddy curry. I can't understand why people are against this. This is actually low risk, high reward. It's not a typical Knick move, the guy changes your entire team dynamic.

Ron Artest, Kyle Lowry, a good draft pick, a good head coach thats a great start. At this point it's time to get rid of crawford there is a contender out there that needs a third guard and he would be a great option, especially out in the west. Pietrus i have alway liked and think he just needs the right system but i doubt that we are it. Zach/Lee needs to be our frontcourt, Balkman needs minutes, Nate needs minutes, maybe we can do an eddy curry/mardy collins for darko/lowry which solves two needs...and lets not compare one of the three best defensive players in all of basketball to marbury or zach its just plain stupid. And lets remember its the east

Artest might be one of the best defensive players in the league and is an NBA Impact player, but

HE IS A HEAD CASE.

He might be better than his days of charging into the stands and wanting to take time off to promote his CD

Adding Artest to this squad would be like using a band aid on an amputated limb. Might seem like it would help, but its too little too late. Artest is 28- he's at his prime. Physically/athletically, its downhill from this point forward. We need appreciating assets, not depreciating assets.

So we add artest and what happens? We're going to be better than the kings? Ok, out east, maybe. So we squeak into the 7th or 8th seed.

Exit after one round.

And how do we get better from that? What great player are we taking with a mid round pick?

Doesn't anyone around here want to win a championship?

Again I think a starphcking is /has to do with giving or acquiring max contracts who are passsed their prime. Ron Artest is in his prime and I don't think he will get an offer past 6mm per year--not many teams have the cap space and there is a risk/reward with him. We have spent our MLE poorly---Ron is a player who can actually impact games. Im past whatever the problems he has had in the past--people grow up. I know we need more than 1 player---I believe we need a nice 7 footer a new solid PG[I think can be had by acquiring a 17-24 pick in this draft] and a SF--we're NOT going to change everything in one year. The east is bad--a player like Artest alone can change a teams chances in the east.
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